Turbo ideas

[Donv]

I’ve bought a rev9 exhaust manifold and I was wondering if I could use a 6262 precision turbo, but I’m not sure what turbine housing i need to use.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

My understanding is it will fit with the .63ar t3 housing but the .82ar housing would require you to use a spacer between the head and the manifold with longer studs, however I can’t confirm that as I’ve never had hands on with that combination. I will say we had one here mocked up with a $120 China gt3582 with a .63ar housing and it fit like a glove, and from what I’ve seen that turbine housing is damn near identical in size to whatever PTE uses, however that manifold had both surfaces milled at a 10-15 degree angle and kicked the turbo out away from the engine a little bit more and I couldn’t tell you for sure if it would’ve fit without some machining. Your best bet is to buy whatever turbine housing you plan to use and mock it up to see what you need to do to make it work as I’ve found with these ching chong cast manifolds they can be slightly different dimensionally every production run of them so it’s hard to give a definite answer on what will fit and what won’t. If you go that route you can decide if you’re ok doing what needs to be done (if anything) to make it work or if you need to use a different manifold. The “Rev 9” cast manifold is awesome bang for your buck as it’s dirt cheap yet won’t fall apart and crack easy like the tubular Chinese manifolds, however the down side is fitment is very limited especially when you start talking larger framed turbos.

 

[Donv]

My understanding is it will fit with the .63ar t3 housing but the .82ar housing would require you to use a spacer between the head and the manifold with longer studs, however I can’t confirm that as I’ve never had hands on with that combination. I will say we had one here mocked up with a $120 China gt3582 with a .63ar housing and it fit like a glove, and from what I’ve seen that turbine housing is damn near identical in size to whatever PTE uses, however that manifold had both surfaces milled at a 10-15 degree angle and kicked the turbo out away from the engine a little bit more and I couldn’t tell you for sure if it would’ve fit without some machining. Your best bet is to buy whatever turbine housing you plan to use and mock it up to see what you need to do to make it work as I’ve found with these ching chong cast manifolds they can be slightly different dimensionally every production run of them so it’s hard to give a definite answer on what will fit and what won’t. If you go that route you can decide if you’re ok doing what needs to be done (if anything) to make it work or if you need to use a different manifold. The “Rev 9” cast manifold is awesome bang for your buck as it’s dirt cheap yet won’t fall apart and crack easy like the tubular Chinese manifolds, however the down side is fitment is very limited especially when you start talking larger framed turbos.

I just got information on that the .63 is the right fitting for the rev 9 manifold, but I’m still debating if I want to spend 2k on a 6262 or get a fully built hy35w

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

I just got information on that the .63 is the right fitting for the rev 9 manifold, but I’m still debating if I want to spend 2k on a 6262 or get a fully built hy35w

Depends what your goals are and what you’re looking to do. Not quite sure what you mean by a “fully built” hy35 as there’s not a whole lot you can do to it, however it’s a fantastic unit depending on what your goals are especially if you plan to use pump gas, however same as mentioned above don’t assume it’s going to fit that manifold without some machining until you get to mock it up. The hy35 isn’t going to make the power the 6262 will, but it would likely live much longer. I tread lightly when I say it as someone always takes it wrong and gets defensive, however while everything PTE offers performs very well their reliability is sub par and it’s not at all uncommon for them to fail prematurely, and when that happens their next step is to blame user error and tell you it’s not worth them fixing but offering a replacement at a discounted price. For what it’s worth I’d be just as confident in one of the ball bearing 35r’s from “Pulsar” or Forced Performance (same China turbo different vendors) at a fraction of the cost and the same reliability before spending $2k on PTE anything but that’s just me, take that as you will. Your best bet is to decide what your goals are pick a turbo based on those goals and go from there, don’t pick a turbo based on using that manifold, as again the 6262 (basically PTE’s version of a 35r) and an hy35 aren’t quite in the same class. Might I ask what your goals are and what fuel you intend to use?

 

[Donv]

Depends what your goals are and what you’re looking to do. Not quite sure what you mean by a “fully built” hy35 as there’s not a whole lot you can do to it, however it’s a fantastic unit depending on what your goals are especially if you plan to use pump gas, however same as mentioned above don’t assume it’s going to fit that manifold without some machining until you get to mock it up. The hy35 isn’t going to make the power the 6262 will, but it would likely live much longer. I tread lightly when I say it as someone always takes it wrong and gets defensive, however while everything PTE offers performs very well their reliability is sub par and it’s not at all uncommon for them to fail prematurely, and when that happens their next step is to blame user error and tell you it’s not worth them fixing but offering a replacement at a discounted price. For what it’s worth I’d be just as confident in one of the ball bearing 35r’s from “Pulsar” or Forced Performance (same China turbo different vendors) at a fraction of the cost and the same reliability before spending $2k on PTE anything but that’s just me, take that as you will. Your best bet is to decide what your goals are pick a turbo based on those goals and go from there, don’t pick a turbo based on using that manifold, as again the 6262 (basically PTE’s version of a 35r) and an hy35 aren’t quite in the same class. Might I ask what your goals are and what fuel you intend to use?

Not fully built but I was asking the same question on Facebook and they mentioned building the hy35 instead of spending a lot of money on a 6262.
My goal is high 500 low 600 on e85 or 91 oct
My setup -
Fully built 4g64 block with 4g63 head fully upgraded valve train
Brian crower 272 cams
Jmf billet intake manifold
S90 throttle body
850cc injectors
Fmic

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

HX40

 

[Donv]

HX40

Not really familiar with diesel turbos but what’s the difference between hx40 and hx40w?
Could i use a fp manifold with that turbo right? I’ve seen that setup but I’m just making sure

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[1990TSIAWDTALON]

We only use the compressor, not the hot side in most instances. A T3 or T4 aftermarket housing is used and they are journal bearing turbos not ball bearing units. Pretty durable tho.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

Not really familiar with diesel turbos but what’s the difference between hx40 and hx40w?
Could i use a fp manifold with that turbo right? I’ve seen that setup but I’m just making sure

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You’d need a Bullseye power .55ar “bolt on” turbine housing to use the hx40 with an FP manifold or stock manifold. No longer offered new and the .55ar housing chokes it down really bad completely defeating the purpose of the hx40 in my opinion. Other than that there’s a .82ar open t3 housing available or if you find one Bullseye Power also offered a .70ar open t3 housing for the hx40, of course you’d need an open t3 manifold for either of those options but the Rev 9 manifold you mentioned would require a spacer to be used. Other options would be a divided t3 housing mated to a twin scroll t3 manifold or a divided t4 housing mated to a twin scroll t4 housing and while those set ups are awesome twin scroll gets a bit more involved.

To break it down most opt for the .82ar t3 housing these days as it works well and can be had new for around 200 bucks new, though I will say a good buddy of mine has the .70ar open t3 housing from when they were more widely available and has seen great results, made mid 500s on a low reading Mustang dyno around 25lbs on e85 and now is turned up a touch and likely making high 500s or right around 600 at 30lbs with more on the table.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

I have both housings, the .82 and the .70 (and a brand new, display model BP .55) and I really don't notice any difference but there's no dyno anywhere close.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

I have both housings, the .82 and the .70 (and a brand new, display model BP .55) and I really don't notice any difference but there's no dyno anywhere close.

I’ve never ran an hx40 personally to compare but still one of my favorite turbos especially reliability per dollar amount but with that being said I was curious how the .70 is vs the .82 on the butt dyno but as usual Marty you carry the wisdom! I suspected you can’t tell the difference between the 2 from the driver seat but that further confirms that curiousity. While I’ve never used an hx40 personally I have used an hx35 with the .70 on my car and absolutely LOVED it, favorite turbo I’ve used next to the good ol 16g and I regret going short lived with it to move to the s363 I had.

OP, also keep in mind those hx40’s you screen grabbed appear to be (grossly overpriced) China knockoffs. If the hx40 interests you then @JusMX141 would be the guy to talk to, he’s built my best turbos and is my go to for turbochargers and service as he is for many others here.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

OP, also keep in mind those hx40’s you screen grabbed appear to be (grossly overpriced) China knockoffs. If the hx40 interests you then @JusMX141 would be the guy to talk to, he’s built my best turbos and is my go to for turbochargers and service as he is for many others here.

Mine Too!!!

 

[Donv]

I’ve never ran an hx40 personally to compare but still one of my favorite turbos especially reliability per dollar amount but with that being said I was curious how the .70 is vs the .82 on the butt dyno but as usual Marty you carry the wisdom! I suspected you can’t tell the difference between the 2 from the driver seat but that further confirms that curiousity. While I’ve never used an hx40 personally I have used an hx35 with the .70 on my car and absolutely LOVED it, favorite turbo I’ve used next to the good ol 16g and I regret going short lived with it to move to the s363 I had.

OP, also keep in mind those hx40’s you screen grabbed appear to be (grossly overpriced) China knockoffs. If the hx40 interests you then @JusMX141 would be the guy to talk to, he’s built my best turbos and is my go to for turbochargers and service as he is for many others here.

I’ll contact him thank you, I appreciate all of you for helping and pointing me in the right direction !

 

[JusMX141]

I’ve bought a rev9 exhaust manifold and I was wondering if I could use a 6262 precision turbo, but I’m not sure what turbine housing i need to use.

Largest housing(s) it will support is a Garrett .63 turbine housing and T04E compressor side. T04S compressor side will not fit, nor will any turbine housing larger than .63 a/r.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

That answers your question with fitment on that manifold, you may want to sell it and buy a manifold after you select your turbo as it sounds like getting that manifold to meet your goals without causing more fitment issues or creating unnecessary potential exhaust leaks is more headache than it’s worth. Trouble is if you use a spacer, not only is it a short runner manifold not really geared at your goals and creating an extra potential exhaust leak, now you’ve pushed your wastegate positioning forward causing potential interference with other components or the hood hitting your wastegate.

 

[Donv]

That answers your question with fitment on that manifold, you may want to sell it and buy a manifold after you select your turbo as it sounds like getting that manifold to meet your goals without causing more fitment issues or creating unnecessary potential exhaust leaks is more headache than it’s worth. Trouble is if you use a spacer, not only is it a short runner manifold not really geared at your goals and creating an extra potential exhaust leak, now you’ve pushed your wastegate positioning forward causing potential interference with other components or the hood hitting your wastegate.

I understand now, I can do that.
That’s the only part I was stuck on was finding a turbo setup to reach my goal, I appreciate it.

 

[Spleen8urLSX]

I understand now, I can do that.
That’s the only part I was stuck on was finding a turbo setup to reach my goal, I appreciate it.

That’s what we’re here for. I will tell you from experience fitment is a great reason to not cheap out. I used a no name tubular chinafold with my hx35 (I know they’re not good, I know they crack, I knew the risks, it was for low budget fun) and even that required a lot of hacking and tweaking and grinding to make things work properly and didn’t allow me to just easily bolt everything to the car. This is where “bolt on” set ups like the FP Black or Bullseye Holset bolt on housings become appealing to people as they utilize stock positioning and will bolt to a stock manifold or FP manifold and allow for minimal hacking, however I tell people to tread lightly with those configurations as 9 times out of 10 they decide they want more and have to go t3 or bigger to do so and resulting in the whole set up being changed anyway, better to go t3 once and have that world of options opened even if “well X bolt on turbo will make X amount of power”.

On that note, this isn’t to promote anyone in particular, but when I bought a Morrison Fab manifold and hot parts kit yeah I paid the price tag but the parts literally bolt up without any hacking or tweaking like they were meant to be there, no jerry rigging or cutting and welding or clearancing anything with a hammer, and that was mounting a Borg Warner s300 series turbo with a massive compressor cover. So long story short, not just with Morrison Fab but if you make the leap and pay the price tag for good parts from a good reputable company not only do you get quality parts that last but you get good stuff that fits and make it well worth the investment as you grow and change things if you desire. And that’s in no way knocking the bolt on set ups, they have their place and I know someone’s been high 8’s on one, just a big consideration that needs to be taken when making that selection.