To Turbo Time or Not to Turbo Time

[1995-tsi-awd]

I plan on putting a b16g on my stock block with E85 and getting it professionally tuned on Evo 8 ECU (all support mods), going to run the coolant lines, do I need a TT?

This is not my daily driver and I will probably abuse her.

 

[clipto]

Recommended to always cool down a turbo car before you turn it off. But chances is that after you get on it really hard you already spent 30 sec to cool it off before you get to your parking spot or roll into your house or what not. Last I checked everyones dsm is fine and has been for the past 30 years the ones without turbo timers. Just saying go for it if you want one I am not ganna say no but I am just saying it's not necessary on your setup. Or alot of peoples setups.

 

[1995-tsi-awd]

What are potential cons? Risks?

Having one installed of course ..

 

[boost97gst]

Adding a completely unnecessary component to a system only creates more failure points. No, to answer your question.

 

[clipto]

What are potential cons? Risks?

Having one installed of course ..

Nothing as long as it's installed/wired in correctly its fine. Turbo timer just allows the car to run a little after you turn your key off to cool the system not really necessary i guess u can waste the 30 sec extra of gas. The only issue I ever seen with em besides it being wired wrong was someone needing to turn off the engine immediately but had to push the stop button on the turbo timer before he bent some valves to turn off the car. But it's rather a person opinion on a oil coolant cooled system is rather not necessary. I run a turbo timer strictly because I am only oil cooled turbo. So that hot oil needs cycle more then the cooled coolant oil system that runs in your turbo housing.

 

[Dsmkauai]

It's funny how everyone can argue this up . It is recommended 30 sec idle down time so who cares if its with you in the car or a turbo timer doing it for you. It's technology because we are all lazy and in a hurry to get no where . It's basically up to you, do you want to be the cool guy who walks away from his car while its still running in that sketchy parking lot and then bam outta no where its magic the car shuts off. And everyone around you is so amazed by what just happen they stare at you with there minds blown!! And there like dide did your car just turn off by itself, (you) ya it did, (them) "oh hell na thats some crazy ish dude, how you do that you got a button dont you!! (You) na car does it on its own when it feels like it!! As you walk away Haha I mean who wants to miss that opportunity!! Lol

 

[Archer Fabrications]

No no no you wire it to the ebreak so if the ebreak is off it doesnt turbo time, evreak on, turbo times, it's a saftey an anti theft thing. All you guys saying ignition f ups obviously didn't have something wired correctly



Lol yah the mind blowing shut off makes me laugh when people stare, or say "hey dude your car just died"

"Yeah, i know, it's okay"

 

[1995-tsi-awd]

It's not about looking cool. It's about protecting my car and it's components. If it is going to help I'm going to install it. If it has the potential to f it up. I'm not going to install it. I don't like the idea of waiting for 30 seconds everywhere I go. And yes, I will beat that car everywhere I go because it's not my dd.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Lol it's cool bro I have apexi tt installed in all my dsm's just messin from personal experience more than once haha. I mean how many cars out there make several different nosies and do things different than the rest, and most people don't know what there hearing or seeing.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

It's not about looking cool. It's about protecting my car and it's components. If it is going to help I'm going to install it. If it has the potential to f it up. I'm not going to install it. I don't like the idea of waiting for 30 seconds everywhere I go. And yes, I will beat that car everywhere I go because it's not my dd.

Install it if you habe an oil only cooled turbo, if youdont wanna wait 30 seconds change it anywhere from 1 second to 10 minutes, or have it not actuvate (turned off) it won't f anything up if it's wired properly (and to the e break) if its hooked up correctly your car will not "auto time" unless your emergency break is engauged. So if your keys are out and you have it counting down and you release the ebreak, it kills the car., if you get the apexi pen one get the HKS harness, thats what i did, two wires soldered and done, everything else was plug and play.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

What are potential cons? Risks?

Having one installed of course ..

The only risk I can think of, is you have oil spraying out, or your girlfriends ####y












cat stuck in the belts, so you panic and forget how to shut off the car quickly.

EDIT: Wow, they don't let you type ####ycat on here?

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Your post got pwnd

 

[rreign0311]

I say completely unnecessary but peace of mind far outweighs the ladder. I've had 600 - 800 whp builds on nearly all of my Evos and DSMs, I think I've used a TT on maybe 1 of them. I do however always do proper heating / cooling procedures depending on the run/type of driving I was doing. Gauges are you friend and knowledge to them is the key.

 

[LandoAWD]

All you guys saying ignition f ups obviously didn't have something wired correctly

Sure...or the component failed, which is irrespective to wiring.

The real reason people run these is just above; conversation piece.

I've run oil only and oil/water, neither needed a turbo timer because I can spend the last mile of my trip without my foot on the go-pedal. True story.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

You misspelled "personal preference"

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Sure...or the component failed, which is irrespective to wiring.

The real reason people run these is just above; conversation piece.

I've run oil only and oil/water, neither needed a turbo timer because I can spend the last mile of my trip without my foot on the go-pedal. True story.

Agreed. I've done the same as well.

 

[LandoAWD]

You misspelled "personal preference"

P-o-i-n-t-l-e-s-s

I tried again...

 

[1995-tsi-awd]

But who wants to drive ours cars easy? I guess if it's a daily driver. I know my wife would get tired of waiting in the car ( I could trade her in, but would lose the car in settlement :/ ) and the timer wouldn't require that. I could see how a malfunction or not shutting the engine off immediately under some type of failure occurring, but unless someone has actually had a problem ( non-hypothetical)...

 

[LandoAWD]

If you can't wait 30 seconds, or insist on Fast and Furiousing all the way to your driveway and simply ripping the key out of the cylinder, buy one.

Why ask if your mind is obviously made up?

 

[boost97gst]

I cant find the thread but a guy had a TT on an the throttle plate stuck open or some shit as he was shutting it off. , couldnt figure out how to kill it and it ran full blast for 2 minutes til it grenaded. Now it was improperly wired for sure and he couldve done a milliion things to kill the motor but my point is something besides my key turning my 6k motor off?? Hell no, i want to be in control of everything.

And youre literally going to do a hard pull right into your driveway? Usually the cool down is done by the time you do your pull and get to where you park.

 

[1995-tsi-awd]

It's not made up, yet. I asked if there is any non-hypothetical failures that have occurred. If not, then it's settled in my book. You've obviously had your mind made up for awhile, we've seen your opinions, let others provide proof if they have any. Otherwise thanks for your input.

If I had made up my mind it would be installed already.

I cant find the thread but a guy had a TT on an the throttle plate stuck open or some shit as he was shutting it off. , couldnt figure out how to kill it and it ran full blast for 2 minutes til it grenaded. Now it was improperly wired for sure and he couldve done a milliion things to kill the motor but my point is something besides my key turning my 6k motor off?? Hell no, i want to be in control of everything.

And youre literally going to do a hard pull right into your driveway? Usually the cool down is done by the time you do your pull and get to where you park.

That sucks. Wish there was an in cab video of him freaking out... just thinking about it. I know it shouldn't be funny...

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

P-o-i-n-t-l-e-s-s

I tried again...

You do make a good point though.

The "WTF Factor" when you walk away from the car and it shuts its self off is fun, but wouldn't make me purchase and wire one in, though it wouldn't necessarily make me not not wire one in.

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But arguing that one will be the death of your car due to some unlikely failure as others are doing in here is sort of silly.

If you can't wire a turbo timer, but have attempted other modifications to your car, you're on borrowed time either way. No pun intended. Maybe.

 

[Colt4G63 also]

I'm not saying it's going to kill your car, but I read about the guy with the throttle stuck open too, which is why I thought of that. I realize that you can shut the car off immediately, but when you add that what the hell's happening factor, most people react on their first instinct. Yeah if you wire up the parking brake, that's a failsafe, but it isn't foolproof.

Example: I was driving along the intestate in my Fiero years ago, when the engine burst into flames (true story) I acted on instinct, and shut off the ignition while coasting to a stop on the shoulder. As I neared the guardrail, I realized I had inadvertently locked my steering. I got it unlocked on time before my car slammed into the guardrail, but sometimes during an emergency, people tend to make dumb mistakes.

I wouldn't have brought it up, but the OP asked what harm it could cause, and that one scenario popped into mind. Personally, I don't care one way or the other what people do to their cars, good or bad.

 

[SonySlave]

It won't hurt your car to run the turbo timer. It won't hurt your car to not run the turbo timer. To me, it's an unnecessary gimmick. It's your car, do what you want with it but like Kris said, don't ask advice or opinions if you're just going to fight for a reason to put it on. No one here is going to provide you with sound evidence that shutting their car down while hot a few times killed their turbo. I say run the stupid thing because it will give YOU piece of mind and the warm and fuzzy feeling that you're avoiding turbo catastrophe.

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[1995-tsi-awd]

Kris said, don't ask advice or opinions if you're just going to fight for a reason to put it on.
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I'm just trying to get cut and dry answers and not so much "what if's". I know that we can't play through every scenario (nor do I want to), I'm looking for consistent failures; which sounds like the only one is due to wrongful wiring.

The other side is that it sounds like it isn't necessary (especially water cooled) unless I'm driving my car 60mph and slamming the brakes up my driveway to park into my garage (hopefully not ending up in the living room). Will I do this? depends on how drunk I am.... I kid I kid

Thanks for all your input!

 

[Ghost_92TSi]

It has a nice volt meter! Your forgetting the point. DSM alternators suck, the volt meter saves.