To rebuild, or NOT to rebuild? that is the question!

[Bishikid]

Ok so I bought this turbo about 3 years ago before I even bought my gst.
It has a lot of up and down play! so I need to rebuild it before slapping it on my ride.
I saw another dsmer on here post up pics of 2 turbos he was about to buy, and the experts told him they were both junk and saved him from being screwed!
I want to do something similar here.
I've been pondering getting this thing rebuild.... but I want to know if this thing is even worth rebuilding or if its an ebay knock off that wouldn't last me long even after rebuilding it.

Here are some pics. of the turbo Im talking about. theres also 2 cracks on the turbin housing that really worried me. but I talked to the guy that rebuilds turbos, and he told me he wouldn't worry about the cracks because metal expands anyways when hot so those cracks wouldn't affect the car when running at normal temperature.

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The guy that sold it to me said it was a big 16g...

 

[agentorange313]

looks like an ebay/knock off evo3 Big 16g.

If I were you I would still use the hotside (exhaust housing) and get a MHI 3vo 3 Big 16g, and made it with that hotside. There are plenty of them on the classified ads here.

Does the crack go all the way through the housing? I am running a hotside that has a crack in it, but it doesn't effect the spool or the function of my turbo, plus it not through the whole housing. I say run it until it cracks more, then get a new hotside when the time comes.

The crack will eventually crack over time, water gets in, it will expand if it turns to ice when it get super cold out, but you are in cali so I would worry about that.

goodluck

 

[2GFWDbeast]

Definitely Ebay turbo you can tell cause it says turbocharger on it. Real ones never say that. You can get a used genuine 16g for like 250 300 bucks. Or a new one for around 600. Imo if your going to spend that much might as well by a 50 trim or used 60-1 for that amount of money.

 

[Bishikid]

darn it what a rip! I paid 130 for this freakin knock off, I hate scammers
wish I knew about this place before I bought it

a friend of mine suggested I get a T3/T4 turbonetics turbocharger instead. but I can't afford something so expensive. I'm sure with a turbo like that cus Im sure its also water cooled. have to buy the right ex. mani to make it fit, plus a wastgate plus bigger fuel injectors an all that. sounds more like something I'd have to save up for and buy bit by bit to make sure I have it all before installing any of it. but thanks.

Hopfully I find a nice hx40 on the classifieds here

 

[daplatano91]

You could always get a Mitsubishi bolt on Precision turbo and use back your stock manifold

 

[JusMX141]

That turbo is junk. The compressor wheel is ground down a little due to excessive shaft play on the compressor side (evident by the larger-than-normal gap between the wheel and cover), and the shitty turbine side has a crack leaking to the exterior.

What happened was the scammer who sold you this gem took it off his car when it blew and mated it to a junk 14B turbine housing so he could keep the uncracked 7cm housing that came on this turbo.

Literally throw this entire turbocharger in the scrap pile.

a friend of mine suggested I get a T3/T4 turbonetics turbocharger instead. but I can't afford something so expensive. I'm sure with a turbo like that cus Im sure its also water cooled. have to buy the right ex. mani to make it fit, plus a wastgate plus bigger fuel injectors an all that. sounds more like something I'd have to save up for and buy bit by bit to make sure I have it all before installing any of it. but thanks.

Hopfully I find a nice hx40 on the classifieds here

Let me get this straight...you want to pass on the hybrid Tur-blow-netics because the supporting mods cost too much, but you're hoping to find a good deal on a HX40 which would have 10-20lb/min MORE peak airflow than any Tur-blow-netics T3/T4 hybrid?

 

[Bishikid]

well the turbonetics hybrid would still have to be water cooled no?
and I've seen hx40s on here with the bullseye dsm hotside on them for $600... which yes I'd still have to get a wastegate, BUT I'd still be able to keep the stock mani, saving me an extra what $250 more or less on a ex. mani? which I could put towards bigger injectors, or even the wastgate.

Well enlighten me! you've been doing this longer and know way more than I do. what route would you take? and keep in mind Im not swimming in cash or anything so I don't have like thousands of dollars laying around to dump on my ride all at once. my bugdet is spending $200-400 on my dsm, and NOT to go over that amount.

 

[2GFWDbeast]

i believe its both water and oil cooled

 

[Bishikid]

right water and oiled cooled.

now the HX40 is only oil cooled correct?

 

[2GFWDbeast]

right water and oiled cooled.

now the HX40 is only oil cooled correct?

its water and oil to

 

[Bishikid]

ah crap!

well still, I'd think the HX40 is the more common route dsmers here take right? so it would be easier for me to look up help here if I ever need it. Just because in my area there are really no DSMers. turbod dsms are really rare here, especially any modded ones. and as you can see the only other DSMer around here scammed me(the one who sold me this turbo) so yea.

what set up do YOU have goin on? that thing looks sweet!

 

[2GFWDbeast]

ah crap!

well still, I'd think the HX40 is the more common route dsmers here take right? so it would be easier for me to look up help here if I ever need it. Just because in my area there are really no DSMers. turbod dsms are really rare here, especially any modded ones. and as you can see the only other DSMer around here scammed me(the one who sold me this turbo) so yea.

what set up do YOU have goin on? that thing looks sweet!

ya but you guys got supra's and skylines which IMO i love more then dsm's just cant afford a supra otherwise i would have one

Bolt-on Modifications:
T3/T4 Precision sc 44 turbo, tial 35mm waste gate, cast iron ported exhaust manifold, crushed 1g bov, short route fmic, custom made sheet metal intake, fpr, 1250cc fic injectors, 255 walbro pump, 3 inch full exhaust with magnaflow muffler

Engine Management:
eprom with ostrich tuned for E85, palm pilot m505, phantom wideband,auto meter boost gauge, autometer oil pressure gauge

Engine Internals:
je srp 9.5:1 pistons .30 over, 1g big rods with arp rod bolts, mls head gasket, arp head studs, 3 angle valve job, hks 272 cams

Drivetrain Modifications:
stage 3 trans, stage 3 spec clutch, 4 bolt rear end

Suspension Modifications:
lowering springs, drilled and slotted rotors front and back. 225x55x16 wheels

 

[Bishikid]

ya but you guys got supra's and skylines which IMO i love more then dsm's just cant afford a supra otherwise i would have one

Bolt-on Modifications:
T3/T4 Precision sc 44 turbo, tial 35mm waste gate, cast iron ported exhaust manifold, crushed 1g bov, short route fmic, custom made sheet metal intake, fpr, 1250cc fic injectors, 255 walbro pump, 3 inch full exhaust with magnaflow muffler

Engine Management:
eprom with ostrich tuned for E85, palm pilot m505, phantom wideband,auto meter boost gauge, autometer oil pressure gauge

Engine Internals:
je srp 9.5:1 pistons .30 over, 1g big rods with arp rod bolts, mls head gasket, arp head studs, 3 angle valve job, hks 272 cams

Drivetrain Modifications:
stage 3 trans, stage 3 spec clutch, 4 bolt rear end

Suspension Modifications:
lowering springs, drilled and slotted rotors front and back. 225x55x16 wheels

Holy crap dude that sounds like at least 10Gs in money dropped on your ride!!! is that your DD. I want mine to be a DD which Im kinda off to a rough start seeing as how I just got a stage 3 with ultra light flywheel installed and polyurathane motor mount inserts! haha drove it for the first time out of town today on the freeway haha was shitting breaks the whole way

 

[2GFWDbeast]

Holy crap dude that sounds like at least 10Gs in money dropped on your ride!!! is that your DD. I want mine to be a DD which Im kinda off to a rough start seeing as how I just got a stage 3 with ultra light flywheel installed and polyurathane motor mount inserts! haha drove it for the first time out of town today on the freeway haha was shitting breaks the whole way

pretty close to 10g's. i got a sebring for a dd. i drive 80 miles a day for work. And it being on E85 id be filling my tank up like every other day. i just ordered ecmlink v3 with speed density. getting it dyno tuned in about a month hoping for at least 500hp AND to run 10's.

Heres a video of it at idle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1W2lr-4F8&feature=player_detailpage

 

[JusMX141]

well the turbonetics hybrid would still have to be water cooled no?

No.

and I've seen hx40s on here with the bullseye dsm hotside on them for $600... which yes I'd still have to get a wastegate, BUT I'd still be able to keep the stock mani, saving me an extra what $250 more or less on a ex. mani? which I could put towards bigger injectors, or even the wastgate.

So you're looking into buying a turbo that makes 6 times more airflow than you need just because it's a deal?

my bugdet is spending $200-400 on my dsm, and NOT to go over that amount.

Then you're not even close to being ready to start modifying your car.

i believe its both water and oil cooled

It doesn't matter if it has water fittings or not...you can run a turbo that has water provisions without water.

now the HX40 is only oil cooled correct?

its water and oil to

There is ONE model of HX40 out of thousands that is water cooled, and it's original application was a Natural Gas generator....so the odds of getting one of these is slim to none.

 

[2GFWDbeast]

No.

So you're looking into buying a turbo that makes 6 times more airflow than you need just because it's a deal?

Then you're not even close to being ready to start modifying your car.

It doesn't matter if it has water fittings or not...you can run a turbo that has water provisions without water.


There is ONE model of HX40 out of thousands that is water cooled, and it's original application was a Natural Gas generator....so the odds of getting one of these is slim to none.

I found this on dsmtuners and copy and pasted it

We have a WHOLE SHELF of nothing but Water Cooled Holset HX40's....No lie

There are so many variations of the HX40 its not even funny.

Here is photographic proof....each of these Green Engines has a Watercooled HX40 on it:

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They are 8.3L I6's

 

[JusMX141]

That's a nice photo of an entire room full of CNG-powered Cummins ISC engines ya got there.

 

[Bishikid]

No.

So you're looking into buying a turbo that makes 6 times more airflow than you need just because it's a deal?

Then you're not even close to being ready to start modifying your car.

It doesn't matter if it has water fittings or not...you can run a turbo that has water provisions without water.


There is ONE model of HX40 out of thousands that is water cooled, and it's original application was a Natural Gas generator....so the odds of getting one of these is slim to none.

wow chill out dude I've just spent close to $2,000 in the last3 months just in maintainance just trying to get this project up and running. and like I said today was my first time actually driving it the whole day with out it breaking down!
So yes sorry if Im trying to slow it down and bugdet myself more responsibly. like I said I'm not rich and I don't make a lot of money. I'm a full time student.

heres a list of what got replaced on my project:
new alternator
new timing belt+balance shaft belt(got replaced twice in 2 months because the first set snapped)
all new belts
new water pump
new thermostat
new radiator hoses
new fuel injectors
new fuel lines
new fuel filters
new walbro 190 fp
new timing cover (bottom, mid, and top)
new clutch + flywheel
new motor mount inserts

slowing down to just $200-400 a month on my car I don't think is too bad!

and no I don't just want a turbo just for the deal of it. cus I'd like my car to be faster too. my goal isn't too crazy. I'd just like for my car to eventually be somewhere in the 13s and a DD.

 

[JusMX141]

slowing down to just $200-400 a month on my car I don't think is too bad!

Your initial statement didn't make this out to be a monthly spending limit, more of a one-time budget of $200-$400 which is enough to buy a new Chinese 16G and that's about it. Now you're on the right track.

and no I don't just want a turbo just for the deal of it. cus I'd like my car to be faster too. my goal isn't too crazy. I'd just like for my car to eventually be somewhere in the 13s and a DD.

Choosing a HX40 for a daily-driven car with a 13-second goal would be like using this to navigate your local par 3 golf course:

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[Bishikid]

Choosing a HX40 for a daily-driven car with a 13-second goal would be like using this to navigate your local par 3 golf course:

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haha oh ok now I see how i was sounding like such a ricer then. so then what turbocharger do you suggest?

I take it you don't like turbonetics huh? my friend suggested them because they have a dealer here in California and they offer a one year warranty on their turbochargers

thats all we have here, we don't have cool places here that support DSMs like STM or slowboy or anything

 

[2GFWDbeast]

wish i had that golf cart . IMO man if your car is pretty much stock as in stock injectors, fuel pump, and untouched ecu I would stick with either a 14b or 16g. And if its your dd car i would stick to as little mods possible. The more modified the car is the more the heavier your foot gets , and it being your dd your will have problem after problem.

 

[Bishikid]

wish i had that golf cart . IMO man if your car is pretty much stock as in stock injectors, fuel pump, and untouched ecu I would stick with either a 14b or 16g. And if its your dd car i would stick to as little mods possible. The more modified the car is the more the heavier your foot gets , and it being your dd your will have problem after problem.

I know right that thing looks like it can take on the ZR1!!!
well my ecu has already been soketted, ecm went ahead and did if for me when I sent it in to get rebuilt because it was messed up.
really? even at 13s these will mess up a lot? jeez.... maybe its time I save for a GS or RS for my DD to build this thing??? haha you brought up a VERY good point!

 

[JusMX141]

haha oh ok now I see how i was sounding like such a ricer then. so then what turbocharger do you suggest?

Something direct-fit which looks like it's supposed to be there would not only be the most reliable choice but probably be best for getting the car to pass smog as well.

T28, Small 16G, Big 16G, and Evo III 16G are all excellent choices. The T28 and Small 16G will have a nearly-stock spool and are quite similar in airflow potential but the T28 gets the nod in the 2G OEM fitment category while the Small 16G takes both the price and reliability categories.

The Evo III 16G has the same fitment as the Small 16G but has roughly 4 lb/min of additional ariflow, which is fairly substantial given it's size and spool characteristic.

I take it you don't like turbonetics huh? my friend suggested them because they have a dealer here in California and they offer a one year warranty on their turbochargers

Hmmm....always makes me wonder why places like PTE and Turbonetics feel the need to offer a warranty to give the customer a sense of security when Mitsubishi, Holset, and BW are confident enough in their products that they don't feel the need to offer a warranty at all.

 

[Bishikid]

Something direct-fit which looks like it's supposed to be there would not only be the most reliable choice but probably be best for getting the car to pass smog as well.

T28, Small 16G, Big 16G, and Evo III 16G are all excellent choices. The T28 and Small 16G will have a nearly-stock spool and are quite similar in airflow potential but the T28 gets the nod in the 2G OEM fitment category while the Small 16G takes both the price and reliability categories.

The Evo III 16G has the same fitment as the Small 16G but has roughly 4 lb/min of additional ariflow, which is fairly substantial given it's size and spool characteristic.

Hmmm....always makes me wonder why places like PTE and Turbonetics feel the need to offer a warranty to give the customer a sense of security when Mitsubishi, Holset, and BW are confident enough in their products that they don't feel the need to offer a warranty at all. [/QUOTE

oh cool I should let you pick out a 16g from the classifieds here and have you rebuild it for me haha that way we all win!

Id imagine after the 16g, some 650cc injectors, dsmlink lite, and fmic, I'd be on a good track towards my goal right?

You could always get a Mitsubishi bolt on Precision turbo and use back your stock manifold

Hey thanks for the knowlege dude! wouldn't kill me to check out alternative routes right?

 

[JusMX141]

oh cool I should let you pick out a 16g from the classifieds here and have you rebuild it for me haha that way we all win!

That, or I normally have 16G cores at the shop which takes the risk out of again buying something that cannot be rebuilt or isn't worth rebuilding.

Id imagine after the 16g, some 650cc injectors, dsmlink lite, and fmic, I'd be on a good track towards my goal right?

Small 16G at 18-20psi, Evo VIII 560cc injectors, 190 pump, and some sort of intercooler upgrade are pretty much all you need to get to the 13's as long as the driver mod is there.

Hey thanks for the knowlege dude! wouldn't kill me to check out alternative routes right?

You can check out PTE's lineup, but pretty much anything they offer is going to be overkill for your requirements which can be done with a turbo that is just one step above stock. Avoiding PTE would also leave you free-and-clear of their questionable reliability among DSM users.