The best Pump Gas "Turbo" set up? [Merged 5-7]

[Forces32psi]

agp turbos i was looking on that webiste for the old L2R and cant find ANY of the turbos they used to sell....

i allready have a cometic h/g and haedstuds installed... but il be VERY happy w/ 400whp.... im nto shooting for any particular track time... just the 400-450 on pump... and ive bought SOOOO much parts from forced performance for my old awd that i get a decent discount on stuff i buy now.... so i can buy a green that needs rebuild and send it to them and get it done for a good price if need be... so i will look into the rs49... i jsut dont want to spend $1000 on just the turbo... and i planned on running a front mount on this car to... just a anodized black one because im sneaky like that

 

[ITSME4G63]

Due to continued lible and slanderous attacks by Slow Boy Racing on our "GT" line of turbos, Turbochargers.com has decided to take legal action in the form of a lawsuit. It is our opinion that Slow Boy's attacks are done in the name of boosting its own sales by making false claims about our "GT" line in hopes of discouraging potential buyers. We feel we have a very strong case, as does our attorney, as he's agreed to take the case on a contingent basis.

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what? I just read this, how is that slander? If they were talking shit just to boost up sales I could see that, ,but all they state is facturaly, theres pic of both turbos cut open showing the differences which may make the evo gt faulty , theres even material analysis certs. if they were slandering them or "shit talking" there wouldnt be any proof or fact to back it all up. Turbochargers.com is just mad that people are not buying their turbo which they probably created a huge investment on due to the fact that its not designed as well as the mitsu style one. Im surprised they didnt throw defomation in there just for shits.

 

[CanadianTSi]

For your Goals you will be happiest with a Green. A 16g will not cut it....

 

[Tom N]

what? I just read this, how is that slander? If they were talking shit just to boost up sales I could see that, ,but all they state is facturaly, theres pic of both turbos cut open showing the differences which may make the evo gt faulty , theres even material analysis certs. if they were slandering them or "shit talking" there wouldnt be any proof or fact to back it all up. Turbochargers.com is just mad that people are not buying their turbo which they probably created a huge investment on due to the fact that its not designed as well as the mitsu style one. Im surprised they didnt throw defomation in there just for shits.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
The turbo they cut open and tested and claim to be from TC.com is not.
That is the problem.
Dont be so easily fooled.

 

[ITSME4G63]

You have no idea what you are talking about.
The turbo they cut open and tested and claim to be from TC.com is not.
That is the problem.
Dont be so easily fooled.

are you saying that there is more than one type chinese made evo gt turbo going around?

 

[Tom N]

are you saying that there is more than one type chinese made evo gt turbo going around?

The ones from ssautochrome are made in china.
The one from TC.com is not made in china.
Feel free to read alittle about it.
turbochargers.com

 

[ITSME4G63]

The ones from ssautochrome are made in china.
The one from TC.com is not made in china.
Feel free to read alittle about it.
turbochargers.com

so let me ask this then, how can you tell the difference between the "china" one and the tc one? And if they are so sure of their turbo and the high wuality turbo manufacturere of taiwan, why dont they split a evo3 and a gt themselves to prove sbr wrong?

 

[Tom N]

so let me ask this then, how can you tell the difference between the "china" one and the tc one? And if they are so sure of their turbo and the high wuality turbo manufacturere of taiwan, why dont they split a evo3 and a gt themselves to prove sbr wrong?

Just take a good look at the compressor cover of the GT turbo from TC.com and the one from ssautochrome.
You will easily see the difference.
Since when do people start tearing their own products apart and comparing them to others to disprove fallacies. They give you a 12 month 12 year warrenty.
You can easily see that the bearing sbr posted as from TC.com is in fact so obviously not its laughable.

 

[ITSME4G63]

point taken, hell Ive just looked up on ebay and yeah theres liek 3 different types of turbo, the turbocharges.com version

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turb...33742QQitemZ8052979212QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

and the two china versions, notice how one of the turbos compressor cover is so tham light colored

and Ive noticed that, its very hard for them to show you a picture of the stamped numbers on the compressor cover, wonder why.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TD05...33742QQitemZ8053589384QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TD05...33742QQitemZ8052266817QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


oh, and how the hell did you pull of 4xx whp with a 16g? is tha tin fwd mode or do mustang dynos just read high?

 

[Tom N]

That was on a awd dyno.
And mustang dynos definitely dont read high.
The right parts and baby steps when it comes to tuning is the best I can say for how it was done.

 

[Slippi84]

Since no one has come on and laid it on you straight I will. A person that has done enough research to run the turbo's you named should already know what he needs to reach this goal. 400whp is like the max or abouts on a 16g and is definately not happening on pump gas. You my friend need a fp green and the fact that you have run one should let you know that it's what you were lookin for or atleast another 50 trim varrient.

 

[brute]

I think when SBR got 400+ whp out of a 16g, they used a fully built 2.4 stroker motor. At least, that's in my recollection. It is definitely NOT easy, they were just trying to prove the turbo CAN go that high.

For 400+ whp on pump gas, I'd suggest a FP Green, or maybe even something like a Bullseye 50 trim. Those are only like $700 on SBR since you don't want to spend $1000+ on a turbo. RS49T is a pretty good chioce also.

Good luck and keep us posted what you decide!

 

[ITSME4G63]

I think when SBR got 400+ whp out of a 16g, they used a fully built 2.4 stroker motor. At least, that's in my recollection. It is definitely NOT easy, they were just trying to prove the turbo CAN go that high.

For 400+ whp on pump gas, I'd suggest a FP Green, or maybe even something like a Bullseye 50 trim. Those are only like $700 on SBR since you don't want to spend $1000+ on a turbo. RS49T is a pretty good chioce also.

Good luck and keep us posted what you decide!

or one of the dual ball bearing 50-57 trims slowboy sells, which are bolton too.

 

[Tom N]

Does anyone know of a 50 trim that has gone over 400 hp on pump. And pump only.

 

[Slippi84]

or one of the dual ball bearing 50-57 trims slowboy sells, which are bolton too.

50-56 trim I have the biggest it's a gt14 bb 56 trim with the same chra as the 3065

 

[CanadianTSi]

Does anyone know of a 50 trim that has gone over 400 hp on pump. And pump only.

Dre did over 500 on pump with a 50 trim...

 

[Tom N]

Dre did over 500 on pump with a 50 trim...

No nitrous?
What was his times on this set up.

 

[Crazy91GSX]

what is the general opinion on SBR turbos? their 50,57,60 and 60-1 turbos are all bolt on.. just require their o2 housing.

I was thinking about the 57 trim for a good awd street car.. on a mildly built motor (8.3:1 cr, ported head, 1mm os valves, fp2 cams, ported intake mani, ported evoiii exhaust mani, 255 pump, 660cc injectors, maf-t, 3"gm maf, street fmic, 3" exhaust) - you think the 57 trim will do over 400 om pump and 500+ on race gas?

 

[ITSME4G63]

what is the general opinion on SBR turbos? their 50,57,60 and 60-1 turbos are all bolt on.. just require their o2 housing.

I was thinking about the 57 trim for a good awd street car.. on a mildly built motor (8.3:1 cr, ported head, 1mm os valves, fp2 cams, ported intake mani, ported evoiii exhaust mani, 255 pump, 660cc injectors, maf-t, 3"gm maf, street fmic, 3" exhaust) - you think the 57 trim will do over 400 om pump and 500+ on race gas?

I think them 660's could be maxed out if you wanna make 400+ on pump with that turbo, why not 9:1 compression pistons or 8:8?

 

[Forces32psi]

Since no one has come on and laid it on you straight I will. A person that has done enough research to run the turbo's you named should already know what he needs to reach this goal. 400whp is like the max or abouts on a 16g and is definately not happening on pump gas. You my friend need a fp green and the fact that you have run one should let you know that it's what you were lookin for or atleast another 50 trim varrient.

the only turbo ive run that was smaller then my fp red was the buschur 20g... i have read that some people have gotten 400whp on pump w/ a 16g but i think they had MUCH more time for tuning etc then i do.. ive never built anything for just 400hp or so.. always 500+ and w/ race gas and a built motor... im shooting for stock internals except cams and steel h/g, head studs.. and pump gas.. and i was thinking that the green would support the 400hp pretty well to... i would like to just get a big 16g ... because then EVERYTHING im running now will bolt up directly to it.. including the stock intake... but the green wont..

so what in everyones opinions is the BEST 16g out now?? excluding the fp 16g "sleeper"??

and which speed shop would have it?? and IF i just go ahead and get get a big16g do i want the bigger flapper or not?? i would want it ported but not clipped i think.. and what is the MAX psi a 16g can run efficantly w/ supporting mods(fuel system, front mount etc) on 91 pump do you think?.. and thanx alot for all the opinions etc.. keep the info coming!!

 

[Tom N]

EVO316g is the best and no one has made 400+ hp with a 16g on pump gas only.

 

[Crazy91GSX]

I think them 660's could be maxed out if you wanna make 400+ on pump with that turbo, why not 9:1 compression pistons or 8:8?

I was worried about that.. figured id need at least 720cc's.. but, with the bigger injectors, you think that turbo is good for 500+ ?? that is my ultimate goal.. 500whp .. in a 3000lb car and awd, makes for a killer street machine.. Im thinking just going with the 50 trim and a 50shot...

anyway, I bought the car (or will be buying) with the engine work already done.. everything exept cams.. has a ported evo16g right now...

 

[TurboDSMer]

A little of topic but i have a friend who made 350whp on his evo16g with a motor that is set up to run a fp3575 on pump gas at 24psi. then he was tuning the car at the same psi but on race gas and he was only makng 335whp. now i know he should have turned the boost up when he was using the race gas but why did he make so much less then when he was using pump? I don't see how it wouldn't be possible to make 400whp on an evo16g on pump, it's all in the tuning. And i always thought that people used race gas to create a safety margin when turning up the boost?

 

[Slippi84]

the only turbo ive run that was smaller then my fp red was the buschur 20g... i have read that some people have gotten 400whp on pump w/ a 16g but i think they had MUCH more time for tuning etc then i do.. ive never built anything for just 400hp or so.. always 500+ and w/ race gas and a built motor... im shooting for stock internals except cams and steel h/g, head studs.. and pump gas.. and i was thinking that the green would support the 400hp pretty well to... i would like to just get a big 16g ... because then EVERYTHING im running now will bolt up directly to it.. including the stock intake... but the green wont..

so what in everyones opinions is the BEST 16g out now?? excluding the fp 16g "sleeper"??

and which speed shop would have it?? and IF i just go ahead and get get a big16g do i want the bigger flapper or not?? i would want it ported but not clipped i think.. and what is the MAX psi a 16g can run efficantly w/ supporting mods(fuel system, front mount etc) on 91 pump do you think?.. and thanx alot for all the opinions etc.. keep the info coming!!

The green is bolt on turbo The green is a 50 trim version of the red. Everything WILL bolt right up to the green the same as it would with a 16g depending on what kinda wastegate you decide to use.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Does anyone know of a 50 trim that has gone over 400 hp on pump. And pump only.

Dre did. Ages ago.

http://www.twingles.com/ideck/