The best Pump Gas "Turbo" set up? [Merged 5-7]

[1SloColt]

I've seen 28psi on pump with 60-1, 272s, dsmlink, built motor, intake, the works, and it was making right around 425whp.

 

[f4st]

Some of the highest numbers I've seen with FP3065 on pump is slightly over 400 at 23-24psi. Some locals see 475whp @ 30psi on .63 a/r t3 housing 35r and 530whp on 30psi with t4 35r. I think you can sqeeze 450whp on pump at like 24psi with a t3 35r but you are gonna have to be a helluva a tuner. The best street turbo I've seen on a DSM, and this is more recent, is a t4 35r with some square lobe cams(fp3s), be ready to make some serious midrange torque at the juncture. These are all on 2.0L motors BTW.

Do you know what the spool difference between the .63ar and t4 are?

 

[Slippi84]

Thanks to the guys that said the 60-1 would have done it for me but I actually never even had it in my possestion. I paid a guy on dsmtuners 800 bucs and traded him my 14b setup for a full t3/t4 60-1 from turbonetics including manifold and fmic w/ piping and he flaked so I had to start over turbo wise. So you new guys know his name is John Ttorrer he clamis to be owner or some bs of a company called Evilboost.com or w/e but from my personal experience he's a thief. His name on here is like lightning something but anyway. I now have a gt14 from sbr duall ball bearing with to4s 4" anti shroud cover. Pretty sure it's a .63a/r and to back it up I have a couple ebay parts that other people have written off as no good such as a ssautochrome tubular and 02 dump along with ebay fmic(31x12x4) hks 272 or fp2 are getting ordered this thursday(pay day). I chose the gt14 because I got it with the 38mm internal the 4" cover and oil feed with inline oil filter for 900 and it has never been used so I couldn't refuse and on top of that i needed a turbo that was DD friendly unlike some of these other turbos you guys are talkin about becuase i'm still 2.0l with stock compression.

 

[sweet97]

Good luck with your set-up. THIS OTHER GUY ACTUALLY STOLE YOUR CASH?! Sent you nothing? Thanks for the warning. mark

 

[Slippi84]

Yep took the cash and the 14b setup and sent NADA except excuses. If enough people care it's actually a pretty messed up and funny story. My talon is still gonna be nasty so i'm good.

 

[sweet97]

SLIPPI I am so sorry to hear that :>( That guy was from this forum or dsmtrader? If here he should be banned.
Honestly, best of luck with this new set-up, you deserve it. mark

 

[coltboostin]

and get a turbo that I can make 450-500awhp on 93octane. :

This...

I don't want a turbo that takes till tomorrow to spool but i'm not gonna cry about slower than stock spool or stretability.

Does not go with that. So get it out of your hear right now.

No matter what set up you try, you will not see full boost until after AT LEAST 4000rpm for a turbo to fit your "needs".

 

[Slippi84]

That's fine by tomorrowi was talkin more like 5k+ I can live with a turbo that hits full boost around 4500 but I see some guys talkin about big ass tubros that hit full boost at like 6k but make power. That does me nothing for a dd. I think I made the right descision. It has a small bolt on housing and it's duall bb and yet has enough balls to get me to the 500hp level.


By the way that guy that beat me his name on here is "LightningMS " He is a crook stay away!!!!!!!

 

[coltboostin]

It has a small bolt on housing and it's duall bb and yet has enough balls to get me to the 500hp level.!

Not on pump.

By the way that guy that beat me his name on here is "LightningMS " He is a crook stay away!!!!!!!

Make a thread about this guy, alert the mods and see if they can get his IP adress (which they can and should)

 

[Slippi84]

I might just pursue that I've been lazy about letting everyone know cause the whoel thing has been one big tiring pain in the ass but I think it's time everyone else on here knew what he's about. What kinda setup do you hae that you went 10.7 on a stock motor? I saw it said that at the bottom of your post that is about what i'm trying to do. Your right I will either be running on pump and propane or race gas when I go all out. There would be no need for 500whp on a every day basis anyway.

 

[coltboostin]

What kinda setup do you hae that you went 10.7 on a stock motor? I saw it said that at the bottom of your post that is .

Yes-Stock bottom.

And you really should inform the mods of this guy. I have gotten ripped off also, and would not happen to anyone else.

 

[TheDeer]

I have 6 bolt with a red, built motor, haltech, 272's, sheet metal intake, blah, blah, blah, etc... with a bad tune last year it put 416awhp@24psi with pump. I have retuned with 27psi, car is a beast now. Don't have the new numbers cause it was a diff dyno when I retuned it, so ya can't really compare until I dyno again at the original. Wasn't going for hp with retune, was doing drivability, timing, A/F, knock, etc...

Full boost after 5K, would have kept it stock b/e but it came from my boy all modded. Not running and modded and a wiring nightmare (which I am still trying to tackle) but hey it wouldn't be a DSM without 'features' right.

If you don't care about lag then you can go this way, but my setup is laggy, but its not built for a street torque type setup. Its a drag setup pretty much, I can drive it every day if I want, but its like a light switch with power, on or off.

I am actully thinking of selling it, its got pretty much everything, just don't have the time anymore, or maybe that was patience I ran out of.

 

[Terrorize]

i know john-i always thought he was a good guy, guess im wrong--ill help out in any way if i can--pm me ## # ill get a hold of him and let him have it---thats bs what hes doing

 

[Slippi84]

Yeah I know I had talked to him and I though we were cool but it's just gettoing rediculous. In his messed up mind he thinks that it's ok that even though I paid him right away for his turbo kit that it's ok that he make me wait till he sells it to give me back my 800 I mean if someone thinks I'm wrong tell me but that shit just doesn't make sense to me or anyone I talked to. I even gave him a chance to give me back the money in like payments instead of all at once incase he spent it alrady which I bet he did but still he doesn't want to man up.

 

[PSI2HI]

Supporting mods and your willingness to push your car is what its gonna take to reach this level. My SCM61 on 19-20 psi on 92 oct made 416whp. It was an easy 450whp pump setup on 24-25 psi if not more as i wasn't really pushing the limits of the tune @ all.

 

[PSI2HI]

Do you know what the spool difference between the .63ar and t4 are?

Depends on what AR T4 housing you choose. Just for refrence a .82 T3 is very similar to a .58 T4.

 

[Verticaljump1]

I know I'm a little late here, but I'd pick a full garrett 50-trim. Dre made 503AWP on pump with one. Building a 2.4L hybrid, and I was looking into the GT35R's, SC61's, GT35L's and such, but I decided to go with a good ol 50 trim. One with a Stage V T350 wheel and a .82 a/r housing should help the flow quite a bit, so looking forward to easy 400whp pump logs (hoping). By the way, doesn't that GT14 use a GT40 56-trim compressor wheel? I think a PTE SC6152E would of been a lot cheaper and a lot more practical in your case. Whether it be the bolt on version or the T3 version. Biglady112 just made 590whp with that turbo and room to go, and I don't think that the GT14 could do that because the a/r on the bolt-on turbine housing is around a .56 or so. That's gonna rob power big time, but you should still make decent power. I'm no expert here, but good luck with your set-up...

 

[Slippi84]

This turbo has the largest compressor wheel available in the GT30 family. It is often reffered to as the GT 30/40 and is a killer 1/4 mile turbo for those brave enough to run it. This turbo loves to run a lot of boost, so be ready to turn your MBC up or your Electronic!

The GT14 is capable of flowing enough air for 600 HP! Are you ready for the GT14? Probably not.

Compressor side:
• 56"trim" compressor wheel
• 2.41" inducer
• 3.22" exducer
• 65 lb/min airflow


Turbine side:
• 2.16" exducer
• 2.36" major


I think for a goal of 500 hp which is what you look for usually 100 hp less than what the manufacturer says for real life I picked the righ turbo. Hell withe 52lbs/min with a bb turbo I will be plent fast which is ultuimately the goal. Hp is nice but low time slips are the reason you aim for big dyno trips.

 

[Forces32psi]

i just read that 5 page thread on that GT Evo 3 Big 16G Turbocharger on here.. and it was the only thing that came up when i did a search for it... any #'s on this turbo yet??

im wanting to make 400-450hp on pump gas.... i was wanting a big 16g of sorts but i dont know much about them.. ive always run 20g's, fp red, 3065, and 3575's... i just want a pump gas daily driver.. and keep the internals stock for a change.. just aftermarket cams and other bolt ons.. im not trying to start a 40 page debate on which turbo is crap etc... im looking for ANY #'s or people running big 16g's and opinions, prices and where they purchased them..

honestly im about to just buy a fp green or something .. it seems that there are SO MANY big 16's out there now i dont know which is one isnt the bad one people were rumored to have problems w/...

ive always thought that upgrading to the 34mm flapper was good.. and now after reading that 5 page thread it seems like its not all that great... im also asking about this because ive always run the tial 40mm external w/g.. and since this is a daily driver car i was wanting to keep things cheap and simple and stick w/ a internal gate w/ a dump...

as of right now whatever turbo i get will have a internal gate (34mm or no??) im looking into big 16g's, the fp green, and another buschur 20g maybe? IM OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR OTHER TURBOS. BEST bang for the buck .. and will be mated up to my 2 1/2" O2 housing w/ w/g dump and 3" turbo back thermal exhaust, im running fpcam2's right now.. i plan on picking up some of the evo 580cc inj, a 2g maf, and a 2g injen intake w/ k&n, a safc 1 ( the first blue screen one to come out w/ 4 buttons) a stage 3 modded ecu, and my 255 pump, and afpr.

and im wanting to stick w/ running my 2g exh manifold as well.. this all on my 92 awd 5spd.. let opinions/suggestions start........

 

[DGajre777]

What do you mean there are SO many Big 16Gs out there?? There's the Big 16G, EVO III 16G and EVO III 16G GT.

The Big 16G and EVO III 16G are Mitsubishi Turbos. Here is a comparion page: http://www.slowboyracing.com/evo16g.htm

The EVO III 16G GT turbo is a made in Taiwan Turbo (Taiwan, not china according to turbochargers.com) - http://www.turbochargers.com/evo316g.htm

You can get boost creep with a wastegate dump if your manifold and turbo is not ported. If you want to keep your 2G manifold, send it to Slowboy or RRE and have them weld a flange on it for the 38mm wastegate. But the Total Package kit linked below will be the best "bang for the buck".

To avoid boost creep, port your turbo, port your exhaust manifold and your o2 housing. The flapper mode (in my opinion) is not good for high boost applications. If you don't want to deal with porting the manifolds and are THAT worried about boost creep, get a manifold mounted external wastegate like the one in this kit - http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=4939&

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With a turbo bigger than the Big 16G, you will need more than 580cc injectors if you want to max out the EVO III 16G.

Oh and here's some more info...
Due to continued lible and slanderous attacks by Slow Boy Racing on our "GT" line of turbos, Turbochargers.com has decided to take legal action in the form of a lawsuit. It is our opinion that Slow Boy's attacks are done in the name of boosting its own sales by making false claims about our "GT" line in hopes of discouraging potential buyers. We feel we have a very strong case, as does our attorney, as he's agreed to take the case on a contingent basis.

Now personally, I don't know if the GT is a bad turbo, because I never had one. BUT I will be getting the MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries) EVO III 16G turbo from either Slowboy Racing or Forced Performance only because I know that Mitsubishi turbos are reliable and I don't want to me a "test subject" for the GT turbo.

I hope this helped and damn this is a long post.

 

[Crazy91GSX]

I dont have alot of experience with the 16g turbos, but from what I have read over and over on here is that 400+whp on pump is not an easy chore.. damn near inpossible.. however, have you ever thought of the forced performance bastarg 20g? bolts up and looks just like a standard 16g (or 14b for that matter) but w/ a 20compressor wheel.

I plan to use this turbo on my next dsm project.. but that is because i race alot and i want the sleeper effect when they pop the hood..

justa suggestion..

 

[ShapeGSX]

I doubt you will see 400hp at the wheels on pump gas with a 16G unless you are using methanol injection.

At the crank, it is possible.

 

[Forces32psi]

thanx for the suggestions and info... ive read and talked to people that have made 400whp on pump ...w/a fp green...w/ a internal w/g just not sure waht size.. im NOT wanting to go w/ teh external w/g though.. im not worried about appearing stock etc.. my car looks like a pile of warmed up dogshit anyways.. (this is my form of "sleeper" ) ive read abotu the bastard 20g that fp has.. but ive seen the 20g w/ tdo5 housing run on a car and wasnt that great.. on 2 cars actually any other info or owners here? and its a bit pricy.... the 20g i was running had the td06 housing (buschur) and IF i was to get another 20g i think that would be the way to go...?? and when i said there are soooooo many 16g's out now .. i just meant all the crap im reading about the china 16g's the tiawan or whatever 16g's and then the mhi's.. i dont know what is what and which is the one that everyone is having the problems w/... the one w/ the heavier comp wheel and the 34mm flapper that is allready ported right? that turbochargers.com has??..

IF i were to get a 16g i would be wanting to max it out though... i dont goto the track very much.. i just want to have that kind of power on demand (400-450hp).. but on pump... and bolt ons. and no external w/g. CHEAP price but good quality and best bang for the buck.. is what im looking for just like everyone else here.

should i just scrap the big 16g idea and go ahead and get the fp green??

im not boost creeping or anything right now.. im only running the 14b w/ my 2 1/2" O2 housing w/ dump, 3" turbo back thermal exh, non ported 2g manifold and mbc set at 12psi.

as of right now i think my stock fuel pump is petering out at high rpm... it has a rewire and everything in the fuel system is stock for now.. it knocks 20+ counts over 6k rpm's, inj duty cycle is 104% ... so i dont get on it much for now.. ive allready got a 255hp but im not installing it until i get the bigger inj, afpr, afc, and 2g maf.

pros/cons opinions and constructive critisizm welcome..... thanx again!

 

[DGajre777]

The FP Green internal gate comes in one size. I'd go with a 50trim or bigger (FP Green is one of them), instead of a 20G. Take a look at the AGP RS49T turbo www.agpturbo.com, it is cheaper than the FP Green.

Simple way to differenciate between the original Mitsubishi (MHI) Evo III 16G and the GT, buy a true EVO III 16G from Slowboy Racing or Forced Performance. If you want the GT, but it from turbochargers.com or roadraceengineering.com. If you buy it used or on ebay, you will probably get the GT instead of the MHI turbo.

There are 4 people (last time I read that thread) who have had their turbochargers.com EVO III 16G GT turbos fail on them, and yes it comes with the big flapper, already ported.

"CHEAP price but good quality and best bang for the buck.."

EDIT: What the hell happened to all the turbos on AGPs website? WTF

 

[unlmtdndeavor]

to flow enough to make 4-450whp on pump gas will require something a lot larger than a 16g. i will just assume this is on a mustang dyno, since it is what i am familiar with. a big16g will not do it easily. as you said earlier, people have done it with a fp green, which is larger than a 20g. pte offers a gt30r with an internal gate that will net you those kind of numbers. but also be prepared to spend a ton on fmic, injectors, ecu, wideband, etc. and make sure to get a metal head gasket.

450whp is NOT an easy goal. it is around the same goal i am shooting for, except i will be going with a 3065. that kind of power is pretty much maxing what you should do with a street car, at least reliably that is. methanol should definately be looked into, especially on pump gas.

what are you trying to run...deep 11's? maybe faster?