T3 GT3076 vs FP3052

[DGajre777]

daren_p - I have no idea where I got these pics from and they have been on my computer for a while, but these are pics of the FP3052 with their o2 housing bolted on to a RRE downpipe. I thought you might want to see. I personally love the setup.

 

[daren_p]

Thanks for the pics, hadn't seen some of those angles before. If I had a stroker I wouldn't think twice about going with the 3065 & if I had a fully bult 2.0 (which if I do eventually build the motor I will probably stick to as I don't see any reason for even more low end torque with a fwd) I might chose to go that route. But with a stock daily driven 7 bolt, I think I would be pusing it with the 3065 & I don't think I need a 10 second turbo for what my goals are.

 

[91-gsx]

daren_p, I have been following the different turbos that you wanted to get and they all are great choices for a good amount of power. But, yes there is a but man , if you are planning on getting a fp3052 and your fwd, I would definately buy the fp3065 for the extra $100. I am willing to bet you will not regret it. I'm not a professional, but I have read enough to know that the fp3065 is a WOW kind of turbo. First of all sense you are fwd the fp3065 will net you later spool and help keep those tires on the ground. Second, you will probably never want any more turbo then this, can easily do 10's. Third, for the same given boost level you will be making more power. That means more power on pump gas if that is what you are planning on running. I would of bought a fp3065 if I had the money for it, its ball-bearing and makes tons of power. I went ahead and made a t3 setup(including the turbo) for the same price as a fp3052 turbo alone because I cannot afford the extra money for ball-bearing. But, I still went with a turbo as big as the fp3065 in journal bearing, a sc6152 in a .63 a/r. They say the spool on the sc6152 is not bad at all, so the fp3065 must be amazing. Just my .02 cents. Either way I wish you the best of luck with whatever turbo you go with.
later

 

[daren_p]

Well I believe the 3065 is only $50 more, don't everybody start this now, I was sold 100% on the 3052 & will be placing the order in the next couple weeks. Everybody just has to make things difficult

 

[krummel21]

I have the 3052 upgraded from the to4b v-trim, here is what I experienced. The to4b v-trim at 24 psi fully spooled at 4300 rpms, 300 crank hp 250 awhp, and would knock if I changed anything (14 degrees timing). The 3052 I had everything the same except evo exhaust manifold, it is set at 19 psi, fully spooled by 3700, 360 crank horsepower 300 awhp, can easily add more boost but need to upgrade injectors. I have 20 degrees of timing advance and no knock. With some cams I and injectors I will be making a lot more hp easily.

I'm the kind of person that uses my car as a daily driver and hardly ever takes it to the strip. This turbo is great since it starts spooling almost instantly (always has 2psi at any rpm). I to thought about the 3065 but didn't go that route since it's just to big for what I'm going to be using the car for, I mean 450 awhp is my max goal I don't see to much reason to go much more than that for what I use it for. Fp's customer service is next to none and you get a one year warranty. Oh and the turbo is f'ing sweet.

Krummel21

p.s. Install was a breeze no modifying needed, stock fans and water lines worked fine.

 

[definitiveno]

3065 will make more power on pump and on race, lag is better for fwd and tolerable from every one that has it. Ever hear some one say "man this 3065 is too laggy, I'm sending it back"? Me either..........


A good question would be to find out where you want your powerband RPM-wise or if you even care........ As long as the motor and manifolds are efficient in the operating range go 3065. Both turbo's will move air up to 9 grand and above but one just moves a lil more.

 

[Slow99x]

If you still really want the 3052 I'm selling mine but I think my dad is going to buy it for his 1g.

 

[BrokenTsi]

3065 is anything bug laggy IMO. 3052 meets lots of goals tho however. I grew out of it simply because I was looking for more but for those who want fun pump gas power and quick spool on the street, 3052 is what I would recommend.

 

[daren_p]

I have the 3052 upgraded from the to4b v-trim, here is what I experienced. The to4b v-trim at 24 psi fully spooled at 4300 rpms, 300 crank hp 250 awhp, and would knock if I changed anything (14 degrees timing). The 3052 I had everything the same except evo exhaust manifold, it is set at 19 psi, fully spooled by 3700, 360 crank horsepower 300 awhp, can easily add more boost but need to upgrade injectors. I have 20 degrees of timing advance and no knock. With some cams I and injectors I will be making a lot more hp easily.

I'm the kind of person that uses my car as a daily driver and hardly ever takes it to the strip. This turbo is great since it starts spooling almost instantly (always has 2psi at any rpm). I to thought about the 3065 but didn't go that route since it's just to big for what I'm going to be using the car for, I mean 450 awhp is my max goal I don't see to much reason to go much more than that for what I use it for. Fp's customer service is next to none and you get a one year warranty. Oh and the turbo is f'ing sweet.

Krummel21

p.s. Install was a breeze no modifying needed, stock fans and water lines worked fine.

Krummel21, glad to hear your really likeing the new turbo & your not having all the same issues you were with the vtrim. I'm still thinking the 3052 is the way for me, Im not chaseing some magic 1/4 mile number (if I was I wouldn't be driving a fwd) I just want a quick daily driver that can offer more power in the upper rpms that the evoIII lacks starting from 3rd up. I'm also looking for something that is abit more pump friendly over the evoIII so I can run more boost with no knock. My redline is still stock & probably will stay there. I have upgraded springs & retainers but Im still running a stock 2g head (with cams) & 2g intake mani. So there will probably be no need to run a higher redline. My current goals are 400-420 crank hp, which I don't think should be to much of a problem with the 3052 on pump. Like I said if the motor does get built a few years down the road, my power goals would still only be maybe 500 crank hp at most as I don't see the point in trying to make huge numbers on a fwd as I'd never be able to use it (sure it will hook up fine by the time I hit forth, but what good is that?). If with that in mind the 3052 still should satisfy those goals.

BrokenTsi, the 1/4 time & mph you have posted were these done with the 3052 & on pump? First time I was at the track I ran 106mph with my evoIII but was having some knock issues so I was only running 18 psi. If everything was running properly Im sure I could have gotten a few more mph out of it. If I could run mid teens on pump with the 3052 I would be more then happy.

 

[krummel21]

I guess when I hear them I think 3052 (green) street turbo and 3065 (red) drag turbo so I based on that. Since yea I could just suffer a couple hundred rpms for the bigger turbo but in the end I would gain nothing because my goal would be the same. A street 450 hp car, now if you are planning on going faster than go with the red otherwise it's a waste in my opinion. Saves money too if you set a goal and stop when you meet it, otherwise it's like an addiction and you keep putting more and more money into the car and it's a never ending process.

Krummel21

 

[BrokenTsi]

yes, they were done on the 3052 with a crap 60ft. I trapped 98 in the 1/8th, and a best of 122mph in the 1/4. it was done at 26psi on shitty 110 unleaded from the local gas station. I dont think the 110 did anything, all I did was pour it in and didn't tune with it just to supress any kind of knock.

All I have for tuning on my car is maf-t v1.3 and a keydiver chip. no safc, no logging software, no dsm link. i have no tuning abilities, I just watch the wideband and make sure its safe, .

 

[krummel21]

Like you I don't plan on going past redline since I am switching to a stroker after this engine gives up. The fastest quarter I have found put down on the 3052 is 10.658 which super95awd has the honors of getting done. His set up is actually very close to what I am looking to have here in a year or so. Which gives me something great to look foreward too. Your goals look like they could be met very easily especially by looking at your profile I would say you wouldn't have to much of a hard time getting 420 crank on this turbo and your mods. If those are your goals like ou said it would make no sense to waste those precious rpms for no reason.

Thanks for helping m out before on getting the turbo installed it turned out not being that bad once I got in there but the help was greatly appreciated.

Krummel21

 

[daren_p]

I was just looking at the above posted pics & I have a question about the WG dump. I wanted to run a recirculated dump but I was thinking to just get the dump pipe FP offers & run it till I get the recirc dump fabbed up & was thinking I could probably juts have them add to that dump. But I was wondering what people are doing that have a short route FMIC as from the pics it looks like the dump lines up right where the pipe would run from the turbo outlet to the ic inlet?

 

[sunflashx]

The FP30 turbos are truly top notch in ease of install and fitment. Sometimes I wish I had kept mine instead of moving up.

100% recommended.

 

[daren_p]

I was just looking at the above posted pics & I have a question about the WG dump. I wanted to run a recirculated dump but I was thinking to just get the dump pipe FP offers & run it till I get the recirc dump fabbed up & was thinking I could probably juts have them add to that dump. But I was wondering what people are doing that have a short route FMIC as from the pics it looks like the dump lines up right where the pipe would run from the turbo outlet to the ic inlet?

Im thinking the dump in those pics would be in the way because he hasn't positioned it properly & its sitting to straight up. Im assuming normally you push the WG angle down more to make the dump go closer to the block & tilt it to the side to clear the downpipe. Looks like if you did that there wouldn't be any clearance issues with my fmic pipe that runs from the turbo outlet to the drivers side for my side to side fmic. Can anyone confirm this style setup?

 

[DarthBulk]

I used FP's O2 housing for an external WG and their external dump tube, and there is more tilt than is shown in those pictures in this thread. I had no clearance issues with it passing the FMIC pipe that you are talking about. The only concern I had was with the external WG coming VERY close to my power steering pump. There is next to no clearance there.

 

[DarthBulk]

I found an old picture of mine, to show the clearance.

 

[daren_p]

^^^ Thanks for the pic, thats what I figured he just had it positioned wrong in his mock up & should be angled closer to the block & off to the side.

 

[daren_p]

If anyone has some dsmlink logs of the 3052 or the 3065 at 20-25 psi on pump that they could send me that would be great, my email is [email protected]

 

[Slow99x]

[quote="krummel21, post: 151084964"]I guess when I hear them I think 3052 (green) street turbo and 3065 (red) drag turbo so I based on that.  Since yea I could just suffer a couple hundred rpms for the bigger turbo but in the end I would gain nothing because my goal would be the same.  A street 450 hp car, now if you are planning on going faster than go with the red otherwise it's a waste in my opinion.  Saves money too if you set a goal and stop when you meet it, otherwise it's like an addiction and you keep putting more and more money into the car and it's a never ending process.

Krummel21[/QUOTE]

The 3052 is not a FP Green in any way and the 3065 is not a Fp Red. The green is a bolt on 50 trim and the red is about the same as a 60-1.
The 3052 is a GT30r that flows 52lbs per minute and the 3065 is a GT30r that flows 65lbs per minute.The green and red are not BB and the GT30r series is.

 

[krummel21]

I realize this I was just comparing the 2 big non ball bearing turbos from fp with the new bb turbos. To give a look on how those were used before the ball bearing was released.

Krummel21

 

[TrboANTsi]

Not tryin to jack the thread but Im in the same position and did tons of reading on this forum and others. Seems like 3052 is the route im going too so thank you everyone for all your posts. Damn turbo setup is gonna run about 2000. I called FP today said i could get away with about 20psi on my denso 660 sounds good enough for me i dont care about numbers either i just want a street car with decent spool im coming out of a hahn 20g and full boost hit at 4500 so i hope this turbo will be the last one for me.

 

[BrokenTsi]

Yeah. It spools way faster than 4500. Too fast for me if you ask me, but its a great turbo for what you need. Mine spooled so fast it would break traction in a 1st or 2nd gear roll.

 

[daren_p]

Not tryin to jack the thread but Im in the same position and did tons of reading on this forum and others. Seems like 3052 is the route im going too so thank you everyone for all your posts. Damn turbo setup is gonna run about 2000. I called FP today said i could get away with about 20psi on my denso 660 sounds good enough for me i dont care about numbers either i just want a street car with decent spool im coming out of a hahn 20g and full boost hit at 4500 so i hope this turbo will be the last one for me.

I would think you'll be very happy with the 3052, I never quite got the HRC "super turbos", spool of a 60-1 & power of a 20g

So does anyone have dsmlink logs of the 3052 & 3065, I just want to graph out airflow (lb/min) & boost to see what their power curves look like.

 

[Staytuned]

Here is my best 3rd gear pull this fall. This was 30% 110 octane and 70% 94 octane and 27psi.