T/3 T/4 turbo questions

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

im thinking about getting a T3/T4 turbo, how much hp can i make with stock engine internals?

 

[1993eclipseGS]

That's pretty far out in the open. There are many different variations of turbo's.

According to your profile, You're supporting mods are :

Turbo XS Type RFL BOV
Espelir JGT500R Exhaust System
Injen Polished CAI

You need ALOT more before you even think about upgrading the turbo. You'll be alot faster on your stock turbo if you get supporting mods, Then you would on a bigger turbo with no supporting mods.

Supporting mods first, Then turbo.

In example:

fmic & piping
Injectors
fuel pump
something to tune with
someone that knows how to actually tune the car
clutch/ , flywheel if yours looks like its' not doing to good.
boost controller/boost gauge
etc etc..

Good luck.

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

im thinking about getting a T3/T4 turbo, how much hp can i make with stock engine internals?

Well there are a lot of different types of t3/t4 turbos with different performance characteristics. Which one did you plan on running?

I have seen people make 400-500 hp on stock internals with proper tuning. But if it were me. I would build my engine if I even considered making anything over 350hp, thats just me though.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

i know what i currently have and what i need to run the turbo..i.e. supporting mods...thats taken care of, i just found one for cheap and was curious as to how much power i could make, thanks for the help guys

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

You have to tell us what kind of t3/t4 turbo you plan on running. Then we can maybe help you out better.

 

[1fast97gsx]

if it's one of those ebay turbos then like 300 whp or so? It really depends on what kind it is.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

according to the guy thats selling it, its a "T3/TO4E turbo

 

[enid84]

Make surre you have extra money to run that turbo in the first place.....your whole fuel system needs upgrade (fuel pump, fpr, injectors, fuel controller), fmic kit, bov. Your stock clutch has to go too because it wont take abuse from that turbo for long. Also i wouldn't feel safe with stock headgasket and bolts to run that turbo up to its potential even though lots of people still do it and have done it...and yeah make sure you know or have someone that knows how to tune the car. I'm surre I'm missing few things but thats some things you need to address too before making your move.....and yeah we need little more than "t3/to4e" to know specifically what kind of turbo it is.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Hopefully it's not one of those ebay special's.. ssautochrome or xs power or whatever they are, There are alot of threads on them already.

Good luck.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

The A/R is .50/.70. The compressor housing has a 3'' inlet.

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

I think your better off starting small get a 16g and you will be good. Im not sure if its a good idea to jump to a t3t4 setup at this point. But hey thats just my opinion.

 

[f4st]

I think your better off starting small get a 16g and you will be good. Im not sure if its a good idea to jump to a t3t4 setup at this point. But hey thats just my opinion.

If youre going to spend all the money to get supporting mods and make real power dont waste your money on a 16g.

 

[enid84]

If youre going to spend all the money to get supporting mods and make real power dont waste your money on a 16g.

I totally agree with you....when i bought my car i just had act2600 and mbc in it which is almost stock and i went from that to what you see in my sig.

 

[snowmansdsm09]

Get theT3/TO4E ! Dont waste your time on a 16g . . .

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

If youre going to spend all the money to get supporting mods and make real power dont waste your money on a 16g.

Are you telling me 16Gs don't make good power? Are you kidding me? Most people end up getting some gigantic turbo because there like "woah its huge and it supports 500hp!" then they bolt it on and it runs like shit cause they dont have nearly enough supporting mods to run it. I dont know where you've been but a Evo 3 16g can make some serious power and run excellent 1/4mile times with minimal supporting mods. At least 40-50% of the members on this site have some form of a 16g so ask them if it was a waste of money.

 

[Catbox_95]

Have you seen a 16G against a T25? They look damn similar, yet a 16G costs like $750. Sure, it is a bolt-on (for the most part), and doesn't need many supporting mods. But, if you can buy a bigger better turbo for $600 and spend a couple hundred more on supporting mods, that seems much more reasonable. Why go through the trouble of swapping out a turbo if you don't feel like doing other supporting mods? I've never understood this.

I'm not saying that those people running 16G's aren't happy with them. I just couldn't imagine someone taking a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid off and replacing it with a 16G. I COULD imagine someone taking off a 16G and replacing it with a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid, so why not just go straight to it?

 

[Eclipsei95cl]

Have you seen a 16G against a T25? They look damn similar, yet a 16G costs like $750. Sure, it is a bolt-on (for the most part), and doesn't need many supporting mods. But, if you can buy a bigger better turbo for $600 and spend a couple hundred more on supporting mods, that seems much more reasonable. Why go through the trouble of swapping out a turbo if you don't feel like doing other supporting mods? I've never understood this.

I'm not saying that those people running 16G's aren't happy with them. I just couldn't imagine someone taking a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid off and replacing it with a 16G. I COULD imagine someone taking off a 16G and replacing it with a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid, so why not just go straight to it?

Bigger does not always mean better. The evo 16g has fast ass spool up and very reliable. I know exactly what your saying man because when i first got into dsms I thought the same way but have learned and seen these turbos perform on all types of dsms. I am just saying he probably will be happier with a evo 16g. There is a guy on here that ran 11.8 on one. Tell me that just isnt badass

 

[f4st]

Are you telling me 16Gs don't make good power? Are you kidding me? Most people end up getting some gigantic turbo because there like "woah its huge and it supports 500hp!" then they bolt it on and it runs like shit cause they dont have nearly enough supporting mods to run it. I dont know where you've been but a Evo 3 16g can make some serious power and run excellent 1/4mile times with minimal supporting mods. At least 40-50% of the members on this site have some form of a 16g so ask them if it was a waste of money.

I never said get a gigantic turbo. A turbo that supports 500hp isnt really a gigantic turbo. The man asked how much hp his engine could support, which means he probably wants to make some decent power. "then they bolt it on and it runs like shit cause they dont have nearly enough supporting mods to run it. " Theres really not that much price difference in the supporting mods in a 50 trim or something similar and the supporting mods of a 16g if youre going to do it right, and if you arent, you might as well just get a 14b. Sure theres a handful of people that have made good power on a evo 16g and im not saying its a bad turbo at all, but most of those people are doing every small thing they can to get every ounce of power out of it. Theres also people that run low 12s on a 14b, does that mean its the best option if you want to run low 12s?

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Have you seen a 16G against a T25? They look damn similar, yet a 16G costs like $750. . But, if you can buy a bigger better turbo for $600 and spend a couple hundred more on supporting mods, that seems much more reasonable.

16G for $750? Who the hell are you buying turbos off of? Brand new MHI Evo III 16G is $550. Standard 16G can be had for less than that. Sure you can spend $750 on a huge bolt on turbo. Doesn't mean you can spend a few hundred more and be raring to go. Big turbos require lots of tuning, and supporting mods. For someone that is looking to upgrade slowly and cut their teeth, a 16G is a nice little upgrade.

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

IMHO I think a T25 runner needs to go to a 16g first. And work there way up the chain of turbo's. I have had my DSM for 2.5 years. I went :T25, big16g, T3 60-1, T3 T66. Yes it would have been cheaper to just throw my money in and get my full set-up I have now. I would not have lost as much money buying turbos's or other parts that didn't meet the mod level I am at now. BUT I would not have the knowlegde or proper skills that I have now. You can make mistakes on a 16g and get away with lillte or no damage to an extent...(beating on trany little or running untuned are examples). There are steps/guidelines that should be followed. I would go with a 16g. Also what wheels are in this T3/T4? Thats what you have to find out. That will help us tell you weather it will even work on a DSM. T3 turbos cost more then Mitsu. ones due to they are more widely produced. Remember that without supporting mods= a blown motor if pushed or a very under capable car.
Matthew

 

[95AWD_TSI_TALON]

Have you seen a 16G against a T25? They look damn similar, yet a 16G costs like $750. Sure, it is a bolt-on (for the most part), and doesn't need many supporting mods. But, if you can buy a bigger better turbo for $600 and spend a couple hundred more on supporting mods, that seems much more reasonable. QUOTE]
Actually have you priced a T25...There like 450+ at junk yard and ~1200 at the dealer. But my next point it you get what you pay for. I deal with one shop in particular. I know I am not aloud to say there name. But I have dealt with them for turbo set-ups-2 on my car, my sister-in-laws, and 3 kids cars locally I work on. And 600 dollars is a CHEAP turbo . I will hijack this from their website---->The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of cheap price is forgotten.

Matthew

 

[The Shodan]

Have you seen a 16G against a T25? They look damn similar, yet a 16G costs like $750. Sure, it is a bolt-on (for the most part), and doesn't need many supporting mods. But, if you can buy a bigger better turbo for $600 and spend a couple hundred more on supporting mods, that seems much more reasonable. Why go through the trouble of swapping out a turbo if you don't feel like doing other supporting mods? I've never understood this.

I'm not saying that those people running 16G's aren't happy with them. I just couldn't imagine someone taking a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid off and replacing it with a 16G. I COULD imagine someone taking off a 16G and replacing it with a Garrett T3/T4 hybrid, so why not just go straight to it?

Because different people have different needs when it comes to turbocharging and looking at response as opposed to power on their budget. That is the exact reason why there are so many different variations of turbos that are available to the public. For example. I'm using a an HKS GT3037 for my Honda turbo, for its better response and top end capabilities. On my talon, I kept my Big 16g for just better response and daily fun. there were a minimum amount of supporting mods needed for that upgrade, so I simply went with that, and enjoyed it for what it was. I don't even plan to upgrade that one.