Evo 3 16g / T-28

[leet]

I don't have a T28. I have an Evo III 16G. I ran the [email protected] with the Evo III 16G. And a best mph of 118.78.

I think he is talking about the time FP has posted on their Big28 page.

 

[ShapeGSX]

While I respect FP for what they have done, I have never seen anyone else duplicate that time or even come close or even run another 11 second time with that turbo.

However, I have run an 11.82 with the Evo III 16G, which I bought from FP. And I've seen my times duplicated and bested with the Evo III. A friend of mine just ran an 11.5@121mph with his Evo III 16G in his 1G.

The T28 is a great autocross turbo (then again, so is the Evo III), but as far as torque and power, the Evo III is better.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

a fellow njdsm member went 12.2 with a big28 on pumpgas. Stock block, only a set of cams. Only tuning device was a GM maft. The thing i'd like to say is yes, an EVO III 16g is definately an upgrade over any t28 variant. A plain jane 16g is more of a comparison for it.

 

[daren_p]

50 trim is not much of a jump. don't get me wrong though, it is a good turbo. pretty much the same thing as an FP green.

50 trim is not much of a jump compared to what? EVOIII or T28? I would say its a pretty good jump, its atleast as much of a jump as the stock t25 is to an evoIII if not bigger. FWIW the FP Green is a 50 trim.

 

[4gsx63]

While I respect FP for what they have done, I have never seen anyone else duplicate that time or even come close or even run another 11 second time with that turbo.

However, I have run an 11.82 with the Evo III 16G, which I bought from FP. And I've seen my times duplicated and bested with the Evo III. A friend of mine just ran an 11.5@121mph with his Evo III 16G in his 1G.

The T28 is a great autocross turbo (then again, so is the Evo III), but as far as torque and power, the Evo III is better.

Very nice times on both cars! Do you mind sharing the mods on your friend's 1G? I'm running Evo 3 myself and I want to know what's your friend secrets to trap 120mph+

 

[v2ner]

yea, i know the green is a 50 trim. it's not much of a jump from an EVO III, of course this is from EXPERIENCE. that's only my opinion. maybe i got too used to a 35R.

 

[v2ner]

i'll bet the secret to 120mph on an EVO III is at least 110 octane. well, i'll bet that's one of the secrets.

 

[slugsgomoo]

there's a GVR4 in the northwest that runs an 11.9 on a plain jane Big16g- on "pump" gas (methanol injection)

To run much faster than that, I'm guessing that weight reduction is part of it.

 

[Generation X]

While I respect FP for what they have done, I have never seen anyone else duplicate that time or even come close or even run another 11 second time with that turbo.

However, I have run an 11.82 with the Evo III 16G, which I bought from FP. And I've seen my times duplicated and bested with the Evo III. A friend of mine just ran an 11.5@121mph with his Evo III 16G in his 1G.

The T28 is a great autocross turbo (then again, so is the Evo III), but as far as torque and power, the Evo III is better.

Were the temps very cold outside when you ran that time Shape? Also.. are you at sea level? Just curious thanks!

 

[ShapeGSX]

It was probably in the 70s that day.

New England Dragway is 90 ft above sea level.

 

[keltalon]

it also mean you watsed time posting here. so thanks. i did search. i figured it would be better to throw all the questions into one thread so the 2 turbos could be compared.

good comback!

 

[russman]

Here ya go, recent thread. Seems worth it to me.

T28, 24 PSI, 93 pump, 12.2 @ 109.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181515&highlight=T28

He only mentioned getting a T28 the time and link you posted is a guy running a FP Big28. THERES A BIG DIFFERENCE. Please read careful so that readers are not mislead.

 

[4gsx63]

i'll bet the secret to 120mph on an EVO III is at least 110 octane. well, i'll bet that's one of the secrets.

I just trapped 87mph in 1/8@20psi on pump. With race gas and 25-27psi, I hope to hit 90mph+

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

He only mentioned getting a T28 the time and link you posted is a guy running a FP Big28. THERES A BIG DIFFERENCE. Please read careful so that readers are not mislead.

Mine IS a FP Big28

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Mine IS a FP Big28

...and wow congrtaulations..u just spent what im assuming is close to $1000 on a turbo that will run out of steam faster than an Evo III 16G. What are your goals? Im assuming 250 WHP??? Either way, good luck on your purchase. For the money you spent on that turbo, you could have bought an AGP RS49 or something else.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

im going with the T-28 , its bolt on and i dont feel like messing with a J-pipe on the evo 3, the power is about the same with both. Eventually im getting a FMIC, injectors, intake, bov, gauges, boost controller, and a turbo timer.

You do realize that there is nothing so "messing with" about the J-pipe. All it is is take your lower intercooler piping, turn it the other way around and itll connect to the J-pipe. Doesnt event take 30 secs.

So youve got the T-28 and you dont have a BOV Yet?? You wont feel much of a difference from your t-25 with that stock bov you have.

I would go with Upicp, Bov, Injectors, fuel pump, a piggyback like an AFC or something.

Good luck with the setup, if that turbo can satisfy your goals, than all power to you.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

...and wow congrtaulations..u just spent what im assuming is close to $1000 on a turbo that will run out of steam faster than an Evo III 16G. What are your goals? Im assuming 250 WHP??? Either way, good luck on your purchase. For the money you spent on that turbo, you could have bought an AGP RS49 or something else.

i spent 600 on the turbo....im just bought it for the simple fact that i wanted to know how it felt. I wanted something with just a little more power that i could limp around on in the winter time while i build my 6 bolt....and my goals with the 6 bolt and the turbo, most likely a 35R ....im hoping 500+ with that setup. Thanks for the input though. The only reason i used the J-pipe as an excuse is because all the crap you need to run a evo 3 ends up costing more than what i currently have, like i stated before, i just wanted to throw some cash at something with a little more power, i wasnt looking or expecting a monster with a t 28. To answer your other question, yes, i have a BOV, a greddy type s, a SBR front mount, 650s, AEM engine management, and a SBR ported manifold. So i think im doing OK now.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

i spent 600 on the turbo....im just bought it for the simple fact that i wanted to know how it felt. I wanted something with just a little more power that i could limp around on in the winter time while i build my 6 bolt....and my goals with the 6 bolt and the turbo, most likely a 35R ....im hoping 500+ with that setup. Thanks for the input though. The only reason i used the J-pipe as an excuse is because all the crap you need to run a evo 3 ends up costing more than what i currently have, like i stated before, i just wanted to throw some cash at something with a little more power, i wasnt looking or expecting a monster with a t 28. To answer your other question, yes, i have a BOV, a greddy type s, a SBR front mount, 650s, AEM engine management, and a SBR ported manifold. So i think im doing OK now.

Sounds like a plan to me. Quick question for you? At what RPM does that T-28 spool up for you?? My buddy had that same turbo in his 90 TSI AWD and the turbo usually kicked in around 2600-2700 RPM..pretty quick spooling turbo. My Evo III 16G doesnt spool up till around 2800 RPM...which is a little anoying but it makes up for it when the boost kicks in and it puts you in the seat. $600 is not a bad deal at all. It gives you the opportunity to experiment around with that turbo. My advice for you still will be..that max out your current setup. See what your T28 can do. I was joking about that 250 WHP goal..i know these turbos are capable of 300WHP. It just annoys me that some people spend over $900 for a turbo that runs out of steam pretty quickly. Then all of a sudden people come in these forums having high goals with the t28 only to feel like they have fallen short. But you spent $600 which is not bad at all. And the AEM management? Props on you for that, that was an awesome choice and money well spent but why did you decide not to go with DSM Link??

Im feeling a 6 bolt block, T-28, and some spray? How does that sound. That bi*** should put u in the low 12's easily. Nitrous is always a good thing when you run small turbos.

 

[Generation X]

Sounds like a plan to me. Quick question for you? At what RPM does that T-28 spool up for you?? My buddy had that same turbo in his 90 TSI AWD and the turbo usually kicked in around 2600-2700 RPM..pretty quick spooling turbo. My Evo III 16G doesnt spool up till around 2800 RPM...which is a little anoying but it makes up for it when the boost kicks in and it puts you in the seat. $600 is not a bad deal at all. It gives you the opportunity to experiment around with that turbo. My advice for you still will be..that max out your current setup. See what your T28 can do. I was joking about that 250 WHP goal..i know these turbos are capable of 300WHP. It just annoys me that some people spend over $900 for a turbo that runs out of steam pretty quickly. Then all of a sudden people come in these forums having high goals with the t28 only to feel like they have fallen short. But you spent $600 which is not bad at all. And the AEM management? Props on you for that, that was an awesome choice and money well spent but why did you decide not to go with DSM Link??

Im feeling a 6 bolt block, T-28, and some spray? How does that sound. That bi*** should put u in the low 12's easily. Nitrous is always a good thing when you run small turbos.

That's exactly what I do with my FP B28. I run a 75 shot along with 264/272 cams. I have pulled my buddy's fully modded, including dsmlink awd 2g talon from a roll that's equipped with a ported and clipped 18g very easily at 20lbs of boost "off" spray. The FP B28 isn't no slouch, you just have to crank up the boost on it. I know the E16g may flow a little more, but not that much more than a FP B28. That's evident by the times list over at http://www.dsmtimes.org/ IMO except for maybe a few, most of the fastest guys that are running awesome times with the E16g are running 6 bolts, with the better flowing 1g tb, 1g intake manifold, and last but not least the better flowing 1g head. I'm not knocking the E16g at all, so don't think that. If it would have been out way back when I bought my FP B28 which was well over 3 years ago, I probably would have bought one for the price that you can get them for now over the FP B28. I say to hell with either one of those 2 turbos and go 50 trim, or a tried and proven Tdo6 20g. I wished I had. But... that's what's so cool about our turbo cars, if you don't like one turbo you can always swap it out and go bigger.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

That's exactly what I do with my FP B28. I run a 75 shot along with 264/272 cams. I have pulled my buddy's fully modded, including dsmlink awd 2g talon from a roll that's equipped with a ported and clipped 18g very easily at 20lbs of boost "off" spray. The FP B28 isn't no slouch, you just have to crank up the boost on it. I know the E16g may flow a little more, but not that much more than a FP B28. That's evident by the times list over at http://www.dsmtimes.org/ IMO except for maybe a few, most of the fastest guys that are running awesome times with the E16g are running 6 bolts, with the better flowing 1g tb, 1g intake manifold, and last but not least the better flowing 1g head. I'm not knocking the E16g at all, so don't think that. If it would have been out way back when I bought my FP B28 which was well over 3 years ago, I probably would have bought one for the price that you can get them for now over the FP B28. I say to hell with either one of those 2 turbos and go 50 trim, or a tried and proven Tdo6 20g. I wished I had. But... that's what's so cool about our turbo cars, if you don't like one turbo you can always swap it out and go bigger.

FP Green is about what i will be running next year. FP Green, 780cc's, AFPR, DSM Link, as well as a 6 bolt block built with Wiseco 8.5:1 Compression pistons, Eagle connecting rods, for the head work ferrea 1mm oversized ss valves, etc. As for now..i am trying my best with suspension. I have to have suspension before i can even think of any more power. But the Evo III 16G is an excellent street turbo. I think im going to try to get a little more out of it with those HKS 272 cams. I was originally planning on going with FP Red but than realized that it wouldnt be the right turbo if i was looking for a good pump gas tune. I think the Green is a better pump gas turbo than a Red.

Regards

 

[Generation X]

FP Green is about what i will be running next year. FP Green, 780cc's, AFPR, DSM Link, as well as a 6 bolt block built with Wiseco 8.5:1 Compression pistons, Eagle connecting rods, for the head work ferrea 1mm oversized ss valves, etc. As for now..i am trying my best with suspension. I have to have suspension before i can even think of any more power. But the Evo III 16G is an excellent street turbo. I think im going to try to get a little more out of it with those HKS 272 cams. I was originally planning on going with FP Red but than realized that it wouldnt be the right turbo if i was looking for a good pump gas tune. I think the Green is a better pump gas turbo than a Red.

Regards

Sounds like a very good plan. Keep us posted on your results, and the best of luck to you.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Sounds like a very good plan. Keep us posted on your results, and the best of luck to you.

Sure will..gotta get this thing running first