Evo 3 16g / T-28

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

so the T-25 blew....this are my 2 primary choices for upgrade....but the thing is ...i can only afford the turbo right now...so what im asking is....
1.can it run on the stock side mount intercooler
2.can it run on the stock fuel system
3. what problems (if any) could arise from running all stock
4. what psi would it run at without having any sort of boost contoller?
5. overall, which one is better?

 

[2gGSX]

so the T-25 blew....this are my 2 primary choices for upgrade....but the thing is ...i can only afford the turbo right now...so what im asking is....
1.can it run on the stock side mount intercooler
2.can it run on the stock fuel system
3. what problems (if any) could arise from running all stock
4. what psi would it run at without having any sort of boost contoller?
5. overall, which one is better?

1. yes
2. yes
3. lower power
4. stock BCS pressure, ranges but highest is about 13
5. debatable, lots of threads will come up about this if you do a search. The gist of it however is that the T28 will hit full boost a few hundred RPM earlier, is bolt on and can make plenty of power, while the evo 3 will definitely make more power and an install is not that difficult. Most people will undoubtedly tell you to go with the evo 3 though.

 

[1fast97gsx]

You do realize that it took more time to start this waste of space than to just do a simple search and find all your answers? If you don't plan on upgrading the other stuff then find a good used t25 and throw it on.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

You do realize that it took more time to start this waste of space than to just do a simple search and find all your answers? If you don't plan on upgrading the other stuff then find a good used t25 and throw it on.

it also mean you watsed time posting here. so thanks. i did search. i figured it would be better to throw all the questions into one thread so the 2 turbos could be compared.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

does the evo 3 bolt on to the stock manifold?

 

[v2ner]

yes, it'll bolt on. any Mitsu turbo will. BTW, w/ the EVO III, you'll need a J-pipe. both are pretty much the same turbos as far as power but I would go w/ the EVO III.

 

[LRS95TSI]

what r ## plans eventually after the purchase of the turbo? everyone is going to tell you to purchase the evo3 cuz it's cheaper and more efficient. however if you're not gonna do much upgrades then i would go with the t-28 because of spool up on an awd. i have the evo3 and its fun as hell but u gotta support it with various mods to make it come alive. at first u wont notice much of a diff. at least get a boost controller and raise the boost to 14 or 15 lbs.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

im going with the T-28 , its bolt on and i dont feel like messing with a J-pipe on the evo 3, the power is about the same with both. Eventually im getting a FMIC, injectors, intake, bov, gauges, boost controller, and a turbo timer.

 

[JessesTalon]

im going with the T-28 , its bolt on and i dont feel like messing with a J-pipe on the evo 3, the power is about the same with both. Eventually im getting a FMIC, injectors, intake, bov, gauges, boost controller, and a turbo timer.

t-28 isnt even worth your time, get a evo3 16g and then get to modding down the road.

jpipes are never more than 40 bucks

 

[LRS95TSI]

dont get the t-28 just because u dont wanna mess with a j-pipe. the evo-3 is easy as hell to install and the j-pipe is nothing big. like i said before the evo-3 is def everyone's choice. its cheaper and stronger. it will also allow u to have more improvement later on if u decide to get more nuts.

 

[1fast97gsx]

No you didn't search because I ran a search and TONS of threads popped up asking the same crap.

I wouldn't waste my time with either turbo. They are both garbage and if you plan on making decent power then they can't do it. If you don't care to make it fast then just throw on another stock t25. In order to do supporting mods for a 16g and buy the turbo itself you will have a high 12 second car assuming your tuning is ok. If you spend the same money and get say a 50 trim, you will run faster and it'll cost you about the same in the end. If you don't have the money to realy mod the car get a used t25 for $100 or so and be done with it. I say go big or stay stock.

 

[grizzly]

i have a t25 for sale for 75 plus shipping. obo. just pm me or email me at [email protected]

 

[Thomas91169]

when comparing turbos, always go for the one thats better suited for the long term.

and installing a 16g isnt very hard, especially with a install kit that has all necessary parts(j-pipe, oil feed line, oil return line, gaskets).

both turbo's are very capible, but the evo16g will flow more air and generally be better if you have the support to run it to its fullest potential. id say get the 16g now, run it at stock boost(the stock bcs is more than capible of running it at 13psi, as is your fuel system) for the time being, until you get some mods to back you up(at least 550cc injectors and 190pump with some sort of tuning device and logger). the stock side mount will be efficient(well, as much as it can) until you start doing 15+psi, then it will start to heatsoak. but it sounds like thats far down the line for you.

 

[99GSXAWDTURBO]

the T-28 has already been purchased. I wanted to be different than everyone else because you generally dont ever see a T-28 on a car. sure, and EVO 3 is good, but you have to purchase more stuff to make it run. the T-28 is strictly bolt on. Plus, it flows about the same and makes about the same power as an EVO 3, so ill see how i like it

 

[UofACATS]

t-28 isnt even worth your time

Here ya go, recent thread. Seems worth it to me.

T28, 24 PSI, 93 pump, 12.2 @ 109.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181515&highlight=T28

 

[timmy]

I loved my t28

 

[v2ner]

i don't know why some people are scared of j-pipes. they're actually better because if you would ever need to upgrade to a FMIC, all you have to do is cut the pipe before the flange and turn it the other way.

 

[timmy]

I dont think they are scared, just the look..

 

[daren_p]

It looks to me like you are planning on doing some upgrades in the future. I would recommend the evoIII what it gives up in a couple hundred rpms in spool it more then makes up for it in the top end. But if your like most people even this turbo will start to feel slow. I personally thought the evoIII would be enough for me but I see a 50 trim upgrade in my future.

 

[v2ner]

50 trim is not much of a jump. don't get me wrong though, it is a good turbo. pretty much the same thing as an FP green.

 

[theSicKness]

t-28 isnt even worth your time, get a evo3 16g and then get to modding down the road.

jpipes are never more than 40 bucks

*shakes his head* someone needs to read a flow chart a little better....forced perfomances t28 flows at 550 cfm ....and so does the evo 3 ....so if uve got a 2g go w/ the t28 its a direct bolt on..

Jesse

 

[ShapeGSX]

*shakes his head* someone needs to read a flow chart a little better....forced perfomances t28 flows at 550 cfm ....and so does the evo 3 ....so if uve got a 2g go w/ the t28 its a direct bolt on..

Jesse

Do you even know what CFM means?

The Evo 3 16G flows more than 550CFM. I did the calculation a while back. I think it was over 600CFM at sea level pressures and 60 degrees.

Either way, CFM is not nearly as useful as a mass airflow rating.

A T28 flows around 36lb/min max.
An Evo III 16G flows around 42lb/min max.

You are giving up ~60hp to the Evo III with a T28.

 

[theSicKness]

Do you even know what CFM means?

The Evo 3 16G flows more than 550CFM. I did the calculation a while back. I think it was over 600CFM at sea level pressures and 60 degrees.

Either way, CFM is not nearly as useful as a mass airflow rating.

A T28 flows around 36lb/min max.
An Evo III 16G flows around 42lb/min max.

You are giving up ~60hp to the Evo III with a T28.

so which T28 did u test exactly...?

i belive 11.82 at the track w/ a t28 speaks for its self....

 

[gsxeclipse95]

I have a question about the install of the evo III 16g turbo and this looks like the best place to ask it without being too off topic. I'm installing an evo III 16g gt I got off dsmparts.com on my 95 GSX. I also purchased the "install kit" and I've run into 2 problems. The first one is that the stock oil return line dosn't match the outlet on the turbo, and the "install kit" didn't come with a new return line. I've read that a guy with a 1g put a evo III in, and he only had a problem with bolts being too long. So will the 1g return line work with my application? Also the j pipe dosn't clear the radiator fans can I switch them or do I need aftermarket slim fans? Thanks for any help you can provide!!

 

[ShapeGSX]

so which T28 did u test exactly...?

i belive 11.82 at the track w/ a t28 speaks for its self....

I don't have a T28. I have an Evo III 16G. I ran the [email protected] with the Evo III 16G. And a best mph of 118.78.