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I live in Canada and right now its not very warm out, about -30c
my car does not have a block heater too keep it warm.

I tryed to start my car this morning and it wouldent start, ive had this problem before but this time, the car doesnt crank at all it just makes a sound that sounds like an electric drill.

Whats wrong.

Thanks

 

[luv2rallye]

Aw yes, I missed that - thanks for pointing that out. The 2gnt fuel pump turns on whenever the key is in the ON position.

 

[slickers111]

Alright, so I bought my old car back a month and a half ago, with 2 spun bearings.

Purchased a 97 motor to drop in it. While the old motor was out, I deleted the A/C, and emissions system completely. I wired up the CAS myself, and it has power going to it.

All 4 cylinders are getting spark with a firing order of 4,1-2,3. After the first attempt, I switched the firing order to 3,2-1,4. (Still have the 96 ECU in)

All 4 cylinders are getting fuel.

Ill be getting a compression tester shortly, and will post the numbers up after the test. Im pretty sure its got compression. But just to be sure, its getting tested.

The Timing was done correct. Rotated at least 70 times to make sure all marks lined up at TDC. Still has balance shaft.

Whats weird is when I pulled the plug on cyl #4, it wanted to run. It tried to, but I shut it off due to me not stopping fuel from entering the cylinder.

Below is a short video of it not starting. In the very beginning, the pop is a back fire.

(I know the wires area mess, but what good is clean looking engine bay when the car dont run)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq1PSPPebFs]Talon TSi No Start - YouTube[/ame]


UPDATE***
The compression testing was a failure. All 4 of the autozone ones were shot... I either couldnt get it on tight enough, the gauge was bad, or the line was ruptured.

After trying to start the car, when I go back to Acc, theres clicking. Sounds like its coming from under the intake, but theres nothing there to make it click. Before it was ready to start, it clicked when the key was at the ON position. Also, with the key to the ON position, I tested the CPS to see if it was getting power, when power came to my tester, it clicked again.
When it clicks, it sounds like it does 8-10 times, pretty fast.

Found a video of a 1G doing the EXACT thing my car is doing. Im linking it cause its longer, and includes the click.

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[motomattx]

Thats the idle speed motor buzzing.

 

[WES_393]

slickers111- Unfortunately, I can tell just by the sound that you have very little compression. I would run a leak down test to determine the cause.

 

[callmechris]

hey guys sorry on the late reply ive been real busy. I had my cousin look at my car and he was thinking the crank sensor by how i described it but when he looked at my car he had a feeling it was the fuel pump, he sprayed starting fluid in my throttle body and my car started right up so he said it was definitely my fuel pump. Also when i turn my key to the on position you can hear the fuel pump kick on but after 2 times of turning the key you cant hear it anymore.

 

[WES_393]

If the fuel pump kicks on, and the engine runs with starting fluid, then I'd say your injectors aren't firing.

I would start by testing the crank and cam position sensors. For more info on testing, check out this post: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/386394-no-spark-fuel.html#post152385361

 

[slickers111]

Alright. Id imagine the motor is shot. The seller wont respond back to me.

 

[WES_393]

Alright. Id imagine the motor is shot. The seller wont respond back to me.

Bummer. I'd still run a leak down test though. It could have bad valves but the short block itself is still good.

 

[slickers111]

Ill get grab a tester.

Ill post up results after.

*valves are bent.

 

[TSiAWD666]

Since we have no way of knowing how much it jumped we can't speculate.

 

[92AWDHX40]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-miscellaneous/217951-how-diagnose-no-start.html


it could be a number of things fix that cts code check the wiring and sensor.

 

[gabe600r]

My car cranks and spudders little. But. Won't. Start. Untill. Coast. Downhill. And. Try. And pop it then. After. That. Will start. Right. Up. With. Key. Checked. Everything. Sorry. My phone added so many periods.

 

[ForsakenLash]

try pulling your started off and test it or take it to Autozone and have it tested.

 

[gabe600r]

It cranks why would I have to get my starter checked

 

[ForsakenLash]

It cranks why would I have to get my starter checked

just a suggetion, if you can push start it and it starts but when you try starting it normally who knows... crazier things have happened. Trying to give you a place to start.

 

[strykerhorse]

just a suggetion, if you can push start it and it starts but when you try starting it normally who knows... crazier things have happened. Trying to give you a place to start.

Have you checked for any fuel or boost leaks?

 

[poonman]

this happend to me once and I noticed if I smacked the fuel pump and ASD relay it would start up fine. Almost like it was getting stuck. In fact i could take the terminal off and on a few times and it would fire up no problems.

 

[killerwhale]

this happend to me once and I noticed if I smacked the fuel pump and ASD relay it would start up fine. Almost like it was getting stuck. In fact i could take the terminal off and on a few times and it would fire up no problems.

Sounds like you already found the problem...?

edit: my bad thought you were OP

 

[CvilleColin]

So I was driving my car around earlier, just around the neighborhood because it wasnt tagged, and it ran alright for the first few times, so I hop into my car and go to start it up, and it doesn't start, doesn't crank over or anything, the dash lights turn on and the side markers and the rear taillight, but the seatbelt doesn't move back to the on position, the headlights flip up but don't turn on, and the parking brake light doesn't come on. I have nooo idea, has this happened to you guys ? The starter doesn't even make a clicking sound like the battery is dead, if if was dead the dash lights would dim when I turn the key, and the clutch is pushed to the floor, and I can look under the dash and see the pedal hitting the little switch thingy

 

[V8srslow]

Check all fuses

 

[CvilleColin]

I have, 1 of them was bad and I replaced it but nothing has changed that I can see, seatbelts still don't work, ebrake light won't work, headlights flip up but headlights won't turn on, and the engine won't turn over, it doesn't even make a clicking sound when I try tk start it, when I tryed rolling it down the street and popping the clutch, it sounded like it was running but it really wasnt, it was like the key wasnt in the on position when it was,

 

[92AWDHX40]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-miscellaneous/217951-how-diagnose-no-start.html


do you have spark, fuel, and compression?

 

[CvilleColin]

No, the engine won't turn over, like no clicking sound or anything from the starter, but other things work on the car, I don't think it's the battery, ### dash lights work and they don't Dim when I try to start it, when I try just nothing happens

 

[spadednick88]

Whats up guys. I just installed a black box ecu i got off a local guy. Installed it, put a pin at 79. Made injectors 560's in eciflash. And all it does is pop and wont fire up!! Im stumped. Btw im on a 1g cas. Wires are in reg position. Any help would be awesome thanks

 

[BlackTsi1992]

What year is your car?