2G Starter relay wiring help

[98gstJames]

Would anyone happen to know where these two black and red wires coming from the starter relay go? (I’ll put a picture)

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[luv2rallye]

With turbo (or 2.4L) and no factory theft alarm, they both connect together to the ignition switch Start position. Same with turbo (or 2.4L) with factory theft alarm if it's a MT. If turbo (or 2.4L) with factory theft alarm and an AT, they connect together to the theft alarm starter relay.

 

[98gstJames]

With turbo (or 2.4L) and no factory theft alarm, they both connect together to the ignition switch Start position. Same with turbo (or 2.4L) with factory theft alarm if it's a MT. If turbo (or 2.4L) with factory theft alarm and an AT, they connect together to the theft alarm starter relay.

Alright, mines a turbo 2.0L and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t have the alarm system, but the previous owner had a power wire wrapped around one of the red and black wires and ran it to the male connector on top of the starter. Why?

 

[luv2rallye]

On the AT the starter relay is a normally open relay which uses pin 5 to go to the starter and must activate to engage the starter. On the MT it's a normally closed relay which uses pin 4 to go to the starter and only activates to disable the starter (activates to disable starter when clutch pedal is in up position). So I'd guess either it was a AT at one time, or he had relay problems, or most likely the original wire from starter relay to starter was open (broken somewhere) so he just put a new wire there. Since on a MT the starter relay doesn't normally activate, you don't even need the relay so he just bypassed it, especially if he deliberately WANTS to engage starter with clutch engaged (pedal up) to help prevent crank walk.

 

[98gstJames]

On the AT the starter relay is a normally open relay which uses pin 5 to go to the starter and must activate to engage the starter. On the MT it's a normally closed relay which uses pin 4 to go to the starter and only activates to disable the starter (activates to disable starter when clutch pedal is in up position). So I'd guess either it was a AT at one time, or he had relay problems, or most likely the original wire from starter relay to starter was open (broken somewhere) so he just put a new wire there. Since on a MT the starter relay doesn't normally activate, you don't even need the relay so he just bypassed it, especially if he deliberately WANTS to engage starter with clutch engaged (pedal up) to help prevent crank walk.

Alright that makes sense, I don’t think it was a AT at one time I think he was having starting issues because he replaced the starter when it was still good and so that’s why I thought it was the relay, so should I keep the relay out and just rewire the wire he wired up? Or what would be my best bet?

 

[luv2rallye]

Yes if that is the problem, I'd recommend just rewiring it the same way and leave the relay out. However note that the connector on the starter not fitting tightly, or corroded, or dirty is often a problem.