So I Just Purchased a New FP Green BB!

[PredatorSniper]

I've been debating back and forth on which turbo I upgrade to (car came with an evo3 16g, but I just sold that). I purchased my third 1G last August. I've been out of the DSM game for about 10 years now. I'm older and wiser on how and what I want to spend my money on (or at least I think so, ).

I wanted to return to the T3 HX-35/40 type of a setup I've been used to (pump gas 91 only). Now, I'm looking at going toward a full e85 flex fuel setup. I have all the parts ready to install, and I've been working on that (Injectors, FMIC, Fuel Pump, Custom I/C piping, etc...). I was talking to Justin about some HX-35/40 setups but wanted to avoid the $1,500 cost in a T3 manifold. So, I was browsing on the FP website, they had the FP Green on sale, the BB version, so I pulled the trigger. Lead times, they are telling me, 3 weeks give or take.

My car has a stock intake, cams and TB. I plan to have Ricky tune the car, I purchased my DSMLink ECU kit from him, this will be a SD/Flex Fuel deal. I'm wondering what type of WHP this will make when its said and done, not looking to make massive power, just want it to be enjoyable on the street. In the future I plan to build the engine/drivetrain to maximize the full potential of the FP Green.

Anyway, just wanted to share with the community to get your thoughts/comments. I'll post updates as I receive the turbo and what kind of number DSMLink will be showing after Ricky gets it all going for me.

Respectfully,
-Mike

 

[TJCTalon]

Its good to have you back. Im back as well from about a 10 year break too.

I will say if you have E85 accessible to you, you NEED to go that route. Its the single biggest upgrade you can do in my opinion. With the FP green, you should have no problem hitting 450whp with E85. Are you on a stock block?

You can also go the BEP bolt on housing for a hx40 too if you can find one. I recently bought one thinking it was for a HX35 but turns out its for a hx40. Ive been trying to track down a hx35 housing to trade for. I might be willing to let my hx40 housing go...

 

[PredatorSniper]

Its good to have you back. Im back as well from about a 10 year break too.

I will say if you have E85 accessible to you, you NEED to go that route. Its the single biggest upgrade you can do in my opinion. With the FP green, you should have no problem hitting 450whp with E85. Are you on a stock block?

You can also go the BEP bolt on housing for a hx40 too if you can find one. I recently bought one thinking it was for a HX35 but turns out its for a hx40. Ive been trying to track down a hx35 housing to trade for. I might be willing to let my hx40 housing go...

There is an HX-35 in the BEP housing for sale on the classified forums right now (https://www.dsmtuners.com/marketplace/holset-hx35-with-bullseye-dsm-bolt-on-turbine-housing.6449/). I purchased my car it had the Mitsubishi style manifold and housing. It came with an FP manifold. Saved me a ton of $$ going with the FP green for now. Yes stock block 6-Bolt. Still has the counterbalance shafts in it for now. Glad you’re back as well!

 

[TJCTalon]

There is an HX-35 in the BEP housing for sale on the classified forums right now (https://www.dsmtuners.com/marketplace/holset-hx35-with-bullseye-dsm-bolt-on-turbine-housing.6449/). I purchased my car it had the Mitsubishi style manifold and housing. It came with an FP manifold. Saved me a ton of $$ going with the FP green for now. Yes stock block 6-Bolt. Still has the counterbalance shafts in it for now. Glad you’re back as well!

Yeah I contacted that guy already, and it sounds like its a package deal only. I already have 2 hx35's, I really dont need a 3rd Really just want the housing, but they are hard to come by these days.

Id be curious how that green works for you. I have an oddball turbo from FP from years ago. Back when they did small batches of custom turbos. I have a 71HTA compressor mated to a td06sl2 turbine. Its been years since I drove my car, but it was a fast spooling fun turbo. So your green is a little bit bigger then my turbo.

 

[turtleb00st]

IMHO the DSM BB green is a marketing move. They had designed components for a Subaru EJ which have wishy washy oiling systems.

I’m sure FP had a batch of the bope stuff manufactured for the Suby guys, and figured let’s build some DSM FP greens and do the “Better turbo on sale” routine

For the most part, mitsu design CHRE’s are fairly stout. FP has been tweeking thrust designs ect to make the mitsu style housing able to handle more boost/more back pressure ect.

I’m not seeing the need for a BB green style turbo on a DSM, as there is a need for BB 35r variants due to reliability issues with journal bearings.

Don’t get me wrong, the green is a great turbo. I personally would prefer the UHF over the BB, as the UHF turbine seems to flow a lot of air up top without much if any sacrifice.

I actually just purchased a red UHF my self.

Enjoy your new turbo and let us know how it runs.

 

[PredatorSniper]

IMHO the DSM BB green is a marketing move. They had designed components for a Subaru EJ which have wishy washy oiling systems.

I’m sure FP had a batch of the bope stuff manufactured for the Suby guys, and figured let’s build some DSM FP greens and do the “Better turbo on sale” routine

For the most part, mitsu design CHRE’s are fairly stout. FP has been tweeking thrust designs ect to make the mitsu style housing able to handle more boost/more back pressure ect.

I’m not seeing the need for a BB green style turbo on a DSM, as there is a need for BB 35r variants due to reliability issues with journal bearings.

Don’t get me wrong, the green is a great turbo. I personally would prefer the UHF over the BB, as the UHF turbine seems to flow a lot of air up top without much if any sacrifice.

I actually just purchased a red UHF my self.

Enjoy your new turbo and let us know how it runs.

I will let you know how it runs. Yeah, I thought they marked the BB variant of the Green down $600, so it came in almost $200 cheaper than the journal bearing version. I need to understand the pro's/con's of the UHF 57S turbine wheel vs the BB version of the Green I purchased. Should I have gone for the UHF 57S turbine wheel version? If so, why?

-Respectfully

 

[turtleb00st]

I will let you know how it runs. Yeah, I thought they marked the BB variant of the Green down $600, so it came in almost $200 cheaper than the journal bearing version. I need to understand the pro's/con's of the UHF 57S turbine wheel vs the BB version of the Green I purchased. Should I have gone for the UHF 57S turbine wheel version? If so, why?

-Respectfully

To be honest there is not that much actual back to back comparison with the 57s wheel.

57s turbine - 64MM Inducer / 57MM Exducer

“Regular” green turbine - 60.8MM Inducer / 54MM Exducer

Physically the 57s turbine wheel is larger. They have supposedly put some design/research into blade design. Fp claims this larger turbine wheel spools identically to the “regular” turbine wheel. But it will flow much more up top

I have only seen 1 or 2 back to back reviews. If I remember correctly, one guy had a regular red he was maxing out, he switched to the 57s and said the car gained a good amount of power up top. And said spool up was the same.

The 57s wheel will help those wanting to absolutely max out a turbo. The difference at say 27psi is probably marginal. And the smaller wheel should theoretically spool better. But once you are running 35psi +, the “regular” turbine wheel becomes a restriction and there are benefits to be had with the 57s.

It’s extremely hard to get real data now and days. Fb groups ruined the game imho. Info on Fb is very hard to find via search compared to a forum style.

 

[CrackedDSM]

To be honest there is not that much actual back to back comparison with the 57s wheel.

57s turbine - 64MM Inducer / 57MM Exducer

“Regular” green turbine - 60.8MM Inducer / 54MM Exducer

Physically the 57s turbine wheel is larger. They have supposedly put some design/research into blade design. Fp claims this larger turbine wheel spools identically to the “regular” turbine wheel. But it will flow much more up top

I have only seen 1 or 2 back to back reviews. If I remember correctly, one guy had a regular red he was maxing out, he switched to the 57s and said the car gained a good amount of power up top. And said spool up was the same.

The 57s wheel will help those wanting to absolutely max out a turbo. The difference at say 27psi is probably marginal. And the smaller wheel should theoretically spool better. But once you are running 35psi +, the “regular” turbine wheel becomes a restriction and there are benefits to be had with the 57s.

It’s extremely hard to get real data now and days. Fb groups ruined the game imho. Info on Fb is very hard to find via search compared to a forum style.

That and people are so lazy these days that the same people who pay for someone to do all their work, don’t really have the mindset of posting numbers and spool info and comparisons. Back when DSMers did everything themselves and used forums exclusively, it was second nature. “Oh wow I put this turbo on and had to adjust the tune and this is what it’s doing now”.

 

[turtleb00st]

That and people are so lazy these days that the same people who pay for someone to do all their work, don’t really have the mindset of posting numbers and spool info and comparisons. Back when DSMers did everything themselves and used forums exclusively, it was second nature. “Oh wow I put this turbo on and had to adjust the tune and this is what it’s doing now”.

I wish nabr was still up just to be able to research some of that knowledge/data

 

[PredatorSniper]

UPDATE: I got to talking with Justin Whitesell/JusMX141 (look him up on FB for all your DSM Turbo needs), I decided to go with a full custom 20G setup from him, versus the FP BB Green. Saved me a ton of $$! Justin can't really touch or maintain some of the newer DSM turbo's coming out of FPs production. The 20G he is building is a proven deal. I will update once I get this installed, tuned and going.

 

[1cleangsx]

Should still be a fast spooling 400whp capable turbo

 

[PredatorSniper]

Should still be a fast spooling 400whp capable turbo

I hope so, currently stock intake, stock cams, but going full e85 Flex Fuel tune.

 

[Stapl3]

400hp fast spooling, should have just stuck with the evo III 16g.

 

[PredatorSniper]

400hp fast spooling, should have just stuck with the evo III 16g.

"Big 16G compressor is rated a 38 lb/min, so roughly 380hp if your tune is perfect and all the stars have aligned."

So maxing the Evo3 16g would'nt be good long term even if you could get one to run that. I was referring to a good tune with reliable 400+WHP Setup, hence the 20G custom turbo setup I'm going for...

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/max-hp-on-a-big-16g.425023/#:~:text=Big%2016G%20compressor%20is%20rated,all%20the%20stars%20have%20aligned.

 

[Stapl3]

Evo III is rated at 42lb/min. It's been the proven go-to for like quarter century.

 

[troppo loungo]

the green bb flows 57lb/min. 36% more than 42.

 

[Stapl3]

the green bb flows 57lb/min. 36% more than 42.

No one in this thread is getting a Green.

 

[PredatorSniper]

No one in this thread is getting a Green.

Stapl3, I appreciate your Captain Obvious post here. If I could change the post title to: Have a custom 20G on the way, I would. To your point on the EvoIII 16g, do you have any experience with your car showing 42 lb/min? If not, why would you comment that? Do you have verifiable proof of a car that has been tuned or verified by a professional tuner that your logs would reflect an accurate 42 lb/min EvoIII? If not, why did you comment? That turbo in its stock standard configuration is rated for 38lb/min. I understand that some folks on this forum may attain those numbers with 2.3L stroked engines with big cams and headwork, that, may or may not achieve 40 or even 42 lb/min. But on average, this isn't normal, and most people do not want to push their turbo's like that all the time. I can assure you, the folks I have been discussing these topics with are considered at the top of their game when it comes to these discussions. I understand a 20G will spool slower, but produce more the power range I'm looking for, very similarly or almost exactly like what the FP Green would have done.

Respectfully,
-Mike

 

[CrackedDSM]

Stapl3, I appreciate your Captain Obvious post here. If I could change the post title to: Have a custom 20G on the way, I would. To your point on the EvoIII 16g, do you have any experience with your car showing 42 lb/min? If not, why would you comment that? Do you have verifiable proof of a car that has been tuned or verified by a professional tuner that your logs would reflect an accurate 42 lb/min EvoIII? If not, why did you comment? That turbo in its stock standard configuration is rated for 38lb/min. I understand that some folks on this forum may attain those numbers with 2.3L stroked engines with big cams and headwork, that, may or may not achieve 40 or even 42 lb/min. But on average, this isn't normal, and most people do not want to push their turbo's like that all the time. I can assure you, the folks I have been discussing these topics with are considered at the top of their game when it comes to these discussions. I understand a 20G will spool slower, but produce more the power range I'm looking for, very similarly or almost exactly like what the FP Green would have done.

Respectfully,
-Mike

Username jayrolla. And a shit ton of others like 15 years ago. All the proof is there if you search. Plenty people have had dyno proven 400whp 16G setups if you take the time to search.


Also, if you think you're gonna make 400whp on a 20G with absolute minimal effort, I wish you luck. You're gonna be surprised and not in a good way.



And double also: I cannot resist stating that now officially someone in the thread has a green. Me.

 

[troppo loungo]

Odd. I'm reading this and posted in the

So I Just Purchased a New FP Green BB​

 

[Stapl3]

Stapl3, I appreciate your Captain Obvious post here. If I could change the post title to: Have a custom 20G on the way, I would. To your point on the EvoIII 16g, do you have any experience with your car showing 42 lb/min? If not, why would you comment that? Do you have verifiable proof of a car that has been tuned or verified by a professional tuner that your logs would reflect an accurate 42 lb/min EvoIII? If not, why did you comment? That turbo in its stock standard configuration is rated for 38lb/min. I understand that some folks on this forum may attain those numbers with 2.3L stroked engines with big cams and headwork, that, may or may not achieve 40 or even 42 lb/min. But on average, this isn't normal, and most people do not want to push their turbo's like that all the time. I can assure you, the folks I have been discussing these topics with are considered at the top of their game when it comes to these discussions. I understand a 20G will spool slower, but produce more the power range I'm looking for, very similarly or almost exactly like what the FP Green would have done.

Respectfully,
-Mike

Do you have any logs showing a big 16g flows 38/lb? No. And that is not how stroker engines work.

I'm arguably the most anal person on here when it comes to calibrating these cars. Feel free to look at my post history, just go back a couple months. I don't have professional tuner datalogs as I do the hobby myself. In that history you'll find me explaining shit to "professionals" as well. If you're questioning whether I have maxed out a 16g with a perfectly calibrated setup, you're poking the wrong bear.

The evo III 16g flows 42lb/min, there is nothing to dispute there. Again this turbo has been around for 1/3 century and the go-to a 1/4th. If you need a larger unit to get to the same power because someone is remote tuning, that's a you problem and not the incompetence of the proven parts.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Do you have any logs showing a big 16g flows 38/lb? No. And that is not how stroker engines work.

I'm arguably the most anal person on here when it comes to calibrating these cars. Feel free to look at my post history, just go back a couple months. I don't have professional tuner datalogs as I do the hobby myself. In that history you'll find me explaining shit to "professionals" as well. If you're questioning whether I have maxed out a 16g with a perfectly calibrated setup, you're poking the wrong bear.

The evo III 16g flows 42lb/min, there is nothing to dispute there. Again this turbo has been around for 1/3 century and the go-to a 1/4th. If you need a larger unit to get to the same power because someone is remote tuning, that's a you problem and not the incompetence of the proven parts.

He also sent me some snarky private message asking me "do you know who my tuner is? Do you know what my setup is?"

It's a stock engine, stock cams, stock intake, stock exhaust manifold/02 setup, for anyone curious.

I'm not here to argue with someone who hasn't done anything yet but argues with people trying to help him. Good luck OP, hope you hit your goal.

 

[evil_eagletalon]

Evo 3 16g didnt do it for me. Didnt provide that punch i like. Coming from a evo 8 with a stainless steel red the 16g was fun but didnt time warp like the fp red did. Lol

 

[TJCTalon]

What are the specs on the 20g?

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Justin built my first turbo that wasn't a stock unit. It was a frankenstien 20g and it did pull good. No numbers on it, but Justin built me a nice turbo!