Small 16g limits

[Stapl3]

I put down 397whp on my stock 6 bolt on a dynojet, only made like 350ish on a dynapack, the tuner told me his dynapack was low reading.

This was on 22psi and 94 octane.

On a small 16g?

 

[asd_gst]

On a small 16g?

thats kinda high for a small 16g but i want to know what else was done to the car if he layed down that much with a small 16g

 

[KPEclipse]

well if he's tuned for that much more boost...if he has slicks, and he's an ok driver...he'll put down a nice time...dont just write that off

put it like this - my FIRST RUN, ever, at the track, in my life, with all my upgrades (but the boost was turned down to 15 lbs) got me a 15 flat. before the car blew up that night, i was literally a tenth of a second from 13s...and at the time i only had a 14b on the car.

if you get the car put together right, and good tuning...you'll be in the 13s, maybe 12s...maybe not the first pass if you arent used to the car yet, but that dsm will be GONE down the strip...if you have the funds and you ask me...i say

intake
turboback(including o2 housing)
injectors
frontmount with pipes
14b/16g series turbo
clutch
possibly an exhaust manifold if it's in your budget
and good tuning...wether u decide on link and u know how to tune or use the dsmchip with an eprom or are magical with an AFC

good luck

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

well if he's tuned for that much more boost...if he has slicks, and he's an ok driver...he'll put down a nice time...dont just write that off

put it like this - my FIRST RUN, ever, at the track, in my life, with all my upgrades (but the boost was turned down to 15 lbs) got me a 15 flat. before the car blew up that night, i was literally a tenth of a second from 13s...and at the time i only had a 14b on the car.

if you get the car put together right, and good tuning...you'll be in the 13s, maybe 12s...maybe not the first pass if you arent used to the car yet, but that dsm will be GONE down the strip...if you have the funds and you ask me...i say

intake
turboback(including o2 housing)
injectors
frontmount with pipes
14b/16g series turbo
clutch
possibly an exhaust manifold if it's in your budget
and good tuning...wether u decide on link and u know how to tune or use the dsmchip with an eprom or are magical with an AFC

good luck

Thanks man I appreciate it...nice car by the way...I am fortunate enough to have help from a dsm pioneer on this project...so it should all pull together to be a sick car

 

[T9S1i]

post up a parts list of what you have so far.

I just changed my 16g setup to a BW s258 setup so i might have some stuff to let go of for cheap that will help you beat this guy.

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

I have done all of the maintance first...for mods is has a 2g exhaust manifold, small 16g, 550cc injectors, walbro 190 rewired, punishment racing 1g fmic, punishment racing radiator with dual 12 inch fans, 2.5inch buschur racing 02 housing, 3 inch megan racing downpipe, 3 inch exhaust with magnaflow muffler, hallman boost controller, prothane motor mounts, left side awd axle...i think thats about it

 

[KPEclipse]

get a clutch, get ## bov setup right, tune that girl, log to make sure everythings in good shape, and dip out
be careful launching the car, i dont want you coming back talking about a blown trans...i been there, done that

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

Thats what i forgot...it has a crushed 1g bov...unfortunately it is vented out to the atmosphere and the cai dosen't allow it to be vented back in...I might have to run a maf translator and use it as a blow thru setup...as far as launching the car...I'm gonna baby it out of the hole and then punch it because it has a set of MH Racemaster slicks on it...If they weren't on there i would have no traction so that could be detrimental to the trans

 

[asd_gst]

sounds good

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

I hope everything works out...I'd like to see 300fwhp i'd be more than happy with that

 

[asd_gst]

I hope everything works out...I'd like to see 300fwhp i'd be more than happy with that

yea thats my goal for once i get my car running good again. when i can upgrade stuff instead of fixing it. but yea blow that little escort or whatever it is away beat it like this

 

[dsm-onster]

thats kinda high for a small 16g but i want to know what else was done to the car if he layed down that much with a small 16g

Don't write that off. A stock intake manifold and just 264s can push the limits of a small 16g which is over 38lbs/min on the compressor map. And of course, a good header, smim, decent tune, and you're bsfc number goes way down. You are no longer looking at only, what, 10.5 hp per lb/min. It's definately possible without nitrous.

DeadlyEclipse95, your current partslist is just fine for your goal. I've run 13.5 at 101 with all stock fuel, stock 14b, stock intercooler/piping, and stock long block in this fwd. Nothing but wider street rubber, 15psi, hacked 1g maf, and a fresh stock rebuilt head. So your setup is plenty to dip into the 12s. About 260ish whp can put you in the 12s with a trap speed of about 105-106mph.

But you'll need more injector later to max out that turbo.

 

[asd_gst]

13.5 thats not a bad time at all for almost all stock. but yea i know it can be done to lay down power with a small 16. i just wanted to know what else was done to the car

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

I'm really curious to see how well a vpc tunes this whole setup in...I hardly ever see anyone use these anymore....I'm not to worried about that escort...He has a hell of an artillery coming after him

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

Don't write that off. A stock intake manifold and just 264s can push the limits of a small 16g which is over 38lbs/min on the compressor map. And of course, a good header, smim, decent tune, and you're bsfc number goes way down. You are no longer looking at only, what, 10.5 hp per lb/min. It's definately possible without nitrous.

DeadlyEclipse95, your current partslist is just fine for your goal. I've run 13.5 at 101 with all stock fuel, stock 14b, stock intercooler/piping, and stock long block in this fwd. Nothing but wider street rubber, 15psi, hacked 1g maf, and a fresh stock rebuilt head. So your setup is plenty to dip into the 12s. About 260ish whp can put you in the 12s with a trap speed of about 105-106mph.

But you'll need more injector later to max out that turbo.

Thats a very fast pass for barely any mods..thanks for your input I appreciate it

 

[asd_gst]

I'm really curious to see how well a vpc tunes this whole setup in...I hardly ever see anyone use these anymore....I'm not to worried about that escort...He has a hell of an artillery coming after him

yea that escort is just going to be a waste of your gas . But hopefully the tuning goes good and everything works out

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

It should go well Dave Buschur is helping me out with the tuning....hopefully she makes good numbers

 

[asd_gst]

post the dyno slip when you do

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

Will do...i just took off my 2g manifold and stock intake manifold...i'm going to have them both ported...just not at the flange that mates to the head on the intake manifold

 

[asd_gst]

yea i want to get my 2g turbo man. ported then put it on my car =]

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

It probablly wont do much...but it'll help some

 

[asd_gst]

yea, every little bit counts...

 

[50trimmed1g]

I'd love to introduce him to my buddy's 2G TSi AWD. 136k on the STOCK 7-bolt motor (supposed to be junk) running 18-22psi; it's run consistent 12's for the past 4 years (ever since he bought it with 101k).

Let's see an Escort do that.

Or for him to meet me with my 50 trimmed 17 psi everyday 182,000 mile stock 7 bolt. Okay, it does run hot but you get my drift.

 

[DeadlyEclipse95]

Or for him to meet me with my 50 trimmed 17 psi everyday 182,000 mile stock 7 bolt. Okay, it does run hot but you get my drift.

Thats insane. Well i'm going to give his escort an ass whooping for the dsm community

 

[asd_gst]

you should run the escort a couple times and mess with him before you hurt his feelings