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General SD or MAF

Keep as SD or convert to MAF?

  • keep as SD

    Votes: 2 100.0%
  • convert to MAF

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    2

GST-Pablo

Probationary Member
1
0
Jul 3, 2020
Cape Coral, Florida
SD is a lot better in the long run but i guess it also depends on your plans with the car
 

90_Talon_TSi_AWD

Proven Member
58
2
Jul 12, 2019
Kokomo, Indiana
That sounds better.
Mine "should" be socketed since it has a ribbon cable going into the ECU that then goes to the Moates.
I had the ECU pulled a couple summers ago but didn't take pics, I'll have to pull it again one of these weekends.
I'm hoping to keep the Moates and find a SD BIN/XDF - another member here is hopefully able to find them.
 

1990TSIAWDTALON

Moderator
7,949
3,882
Nov 14, 2013
Independence, Kansas
That would be the first time I, myself, see a ribbon cable on a socket soldered to the ecu but it sure as hell makes swapping chips easy or is the Moates a different unit/chip (not familiar with it)
ECMLINK all the way and go SD in my opinion.
I run all my DSMs on SD or am in the conversion process now and I have 3 and all 3 on ECMLINK. Even the mostly stock car, that was the first upgrade to her.
 

steve

DSM Wiseman
13,803
882
Feb 3, 2002
Boulder, Colorado
That would be the first time I, myself, see a ribbon cable on a socket soldered to the ecu but it sure as hell makes swapping chips easy or is the Moates a different unit/chip (not familiar with it)

That's the way it's typically done with a Moates Ostrich. Somtimes I'd see somebody solder the ribbon directly to the PCB and that would have be undone when they finally upgraded to DSMLink.

The Ostrich is a EPROM emulator to download images into over USB. The version 2 added the ability to trace accesses (Memory Addresses) so you can do things like see which map entries your using.
 
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90_Talon_TSi_AWD

Proven Member
58
2
Jul 12, 2019
Kokomo, Indiana
I'm actually HIGHLY satisfied with the Moates (once I finally started digging in).
The learning curve seems to be steeper than ECMLINK.

But I'm hitting a brick wall trying to find an SD BIN/XDF and you can't do anything with Moates without the BIN/XDF :(
I'm actually leaning towards keeping my Moates and reverting to MAF just so that I can keep the Moates.
I may just back-burner the Talon for another year or so and focus on other projects.

I wish I would have started learning this stuff in the late 90s when my brother first started dropping in "performance chips".
I'm a bit late to the punch bowl and the ice has all melted... Or something like that...
 
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