SBR Bastard 20g

[JOEY A]

Does anyone have any experience with this turbo? Time slips, dyno, anything? It seems like an intersting turbo, but it's as though noone is running it. I'm interested in seeing how it compares to a regular 20g.

Thats because all the young kiddys dont rember this turbo...

I rember back befor I could drive, that a 20G on a dsm was quick


Its been around for years the sleeper 20G, not alot of people use it because of price

 

[JayRolla]

Thats because all the young kiddys dont rember this turbo...

I rember back befor I could drive, that a 20G on a dsm was quick


Its been around for years the sleeper 20G, not alot of people use it because of price

Yea they really suck at high boost levels because they will start to surge. Knew someone with one that surged over 26-28psi I believe. Not to mention the pump gas tune is horrible because of how inefficient both housings are.

My buddy is almost done with an e85 starion build up with a multi port fuel injection setup running a custom sleeper 20g. Its not a slowboy but a custom one out mechanic built but is pretty much the same. Hopefully it doesnt surge too bad.

 

[JayRolla]

You're right, injectors and a pump will also give you 450hp

Yea fuel mods, turbo, ems, fmic and you damn well can have 400+whp.

 

[JOEY A]

Yea fuel mods, turbo, ems, fmic and you damn well can have 400+whp.

Add cams to that list as well

 

[JayRolla]

Add cams to that list as well

You can make 400+whp without cams easy.

 

[GVR4592]

You can make 400+whp without cams easy.

With a 50 trim, fuel system upgrades, and intercooler only? Because that's what he said.

 

[JayRolla]

With a 50 trim, fuel system upgrades, and intercooler only? Because that's what he said.

I know sorry, with just that you cant, but if you consider EMS of some sort like an apex fuel controller as a fuel upgrade than yes you can.

 

[chavez408]

Anyways, that sb g 50 turbo looks OK for its price consider it is under $800 including all lines and the turbo itself. Compare to a fp 18g that is $699 and a evo III. Would it be worth the extra 2 bills?

 

[Bender]

It depends on what your goals are. If you want to hit 12's, then a 16 would work fine with all supporting mods. If you want to hit 12's, then turn up the boost, and hit 11's; you will need a 50 trim. I have no experience with the fp18g, but they charges shipping and all that other good stuff. You can go with a <a href= http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17341&cat=506&page=1>PTE SCM5031</a> from extremepsi. Whenever I order from them, I receive my part exactly 2 days after I order it. (and that includes when I order at 10 oclock at night) Not to mention extremepsi has free shipping, and only charges a flat 7.50 handling fee, no matter how many things you buy. They also have insurance, so if someone steals your part in transit, they will send another one. Or you can go with slowboy, and get the wrong part, send it back, and then get the right part 2 months later. Not to mention you will be paying shipping too. Idk, maybe I shouldn't bash slowboy, because I have only ordered from them four times. And out of those four times they messed up six times. And it probably would have been more times if I wouldn't have just said forget it, and ordered from extremepsi. It was cheaper, free shipping, and I got it the next day.

Edit: I forgot to mention, extremepsi is having a <a href=http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/pages.php?pageid=16>Christmas sale</a>

 

[chavez408]

Yeah extremepsi with their shipping is great! I'm in cali so everytime I order from them with their free shipping I always get my part no less than 2 weeks. Its not as bad since it is FREE. Andusually I receive the same shipping with other vendors and I pay for it.

 

[1GenDSM]

The G 50 is a great turbo. Just some minor fuel mods and a FMIC and you will be good for about 400-450 on a good tune.

Funny you say that.... It took you guys a built engine, 116 octane race fuel, standalone engine management, cams, SMIM, etc. to be in that range on that turbo.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...8481-internally-gated-turbos-tested-dyno.html

 

[Ludachris]

The G 50 is a great turbo. Just some minor fuel mods and a FMIC and you will be good for about 400-450 on a good tune.

In an effort to avoid giving newbs the wrong idea let's not post numbers without posting exactly what someone might need to achieve those numbers. I hate seeing people posting vague information like this, as it makes newbs come away with the idea that it's cheap and easy to do it, when that isn't really the norm.

400-450hp requires fuel management, a healthy motor, drivetrain mods to handle the extra power, and plenty of other things if you're going to do it right. Making it sound like you can simply go out and buy a turbo, and fmic and a few fuel mods is a little deceiving. I'd like to see people stop saying stuff like that in the forums.

 

[sbr240sx]

Wow a post from almost 3 years ago. I am sure nothing has changed in the automotive industry since then. Sorry I did not make a list of every single part that was required. I was simply stating that you can make that power without any major internal mods.

 

[GVR4592]

You just shouldn't go around saying things like that, because there are people that believe everything they read on the internet. It make our jobs a lot harder when we have to explain to people that what they read just isn't true.

 

[Zex4g63]

I think many times new people are shall we say confused by the numbers. 400hp at the crank isn't that difficult. 400hp at wheels is a different story. I feel that some people think well it has 200hp stock and I only need 200 more to make 400. In reality what happens is they take a car that makes 150hp at the wheels and with a 50 trim it makes 340hp. It should be specified to people that turbo ratings are pretty much flywheel ratings and that wheel HP ratings can't be guessed do to so many variables.

 

[chavez408]

Well obiesly if you think you can just make 400whp with an upgrade turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods. Than you need to get out of the racing scene or start more reading!

 

[Bender]

Well obiesly if you think you can just make 400whp with an upgrade turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods. Than you need to get out of the racing scene or start more reading!

Or work for slowboy.

 

[chavez408]

Or work for slowboy.

aww man

 

[sbr240sx]

Well obiesly if you think you can just make 400whp with an upgrade turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods. Than you need to get out of the racing scene or start more reading!

I should start reading ? Look at your spelling before you try to judge me. ( obiesly )

 

[chavez408]

I should start reading ? Look at your spelling before you try to judge me. ( obiesly )

haha thats what happen when you talk through a sidekick.
And just to let you know I was not referring that quote towards you but more to the newbs that will mostly believe anything they read. Thinking by just upgrading their turbo & fuel will give them any kind of amazing gains .

 

[timloomis]

You guys are being hard on sbr for some reason. I sold a motor I built with sbr parts in it that just put down 342 to the wheels. Anywho, how much does that compressor cover restrict things?

 

[dsm-onster]

Well obiesly if you think you can just make 400whp with an upgrade turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods. Than you need to get out of the racing scene or start more reading!

Hmmm, I read too and many (including me) have made 400whp w/ an upgraded turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods:

Turbo: 50-trim
Fuel mods: 650s, safc, fuel pump upgrade
Supporting mods: FMIC, MBC, Exhaust, maf upgrade (if 1g)

Stock cams, stock intake manifold, stock block, stock transmission. What do you mean? Even a base tune can yield 400whp. Tuning is great, but boost from the proper turbo and cool air can do wonders . That's why I turned to turbocharging years back.

You'll need a clutch soon if you have a manual tranny, though . Does that count as a supporting mod?

I have not read through this entire thread, but you do have a point if you're trying to say that newbs should read up if they think their stock intercooler, exhaust is fine for this level. But other than that. . .

 

[chavez408]

Hmmm, I read too and many (including me) have made 400whp w/ an upgraded turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods:

Turbo: 50-trim
Fuel mods: 650s, safc, fuel pump upgrade
Supporting mods: FMIC, MBC, Exhaust, maf upgrade (if 1g)

Stock cams, stock intake manifold, stock block, stock transmission. What do you mean? Even a base tune can yield 400whp. Tuning is great, but boost from the proper turbo and cool air can do wonders . That's why I turned to turbocharging years back.

You'll need a clutch soon if you have a manual tranny, though . Does that count as a supporting mod?

I have not read through this entire thread, but you do have a point if you're trying to say that newbs should read up if they think their stock intercooler, exhaust is fine for this level. But other than that. . .

You the man! :thumbsup:

 

[JOEY A]

Hmmm, I read too and many (including me) have made 400whp w/ an upgraded turbo, fuel mods, supporting mods:

Turbo: 50-trim
Fuel mods: 650s, safc, fuel pump upgrade
Supporting mods: FMIC, MBC, Exhaust, maf upgrade (if 1g)

Stock cams, stock intake manifold, stock block, stock transmission. What do you mean? Even a base tune can yield 400whp. Tuning is great, but boost from the proper turbo and cool air can do wonders . That's why I turned to turbocharging years back.

You'll need a clutch soon if you have a manual tranny, though . Does that count as a supporting mod?

I have not read through this entire thread, but you do have a point if you're trying to say that newbs should read up if they think their stock intercooler, exhaust is fine for this level. But other than that. . .

Alot of people on here are not capable of tuning there cars like some others on here, hell most shops cant even tune a damn car right!


AMS did a amazing job with my street tune, and put alot of time into it and I even let them use it for a DD for a few days to get the tune nice..

Again its all in whos doing the work and who is capable


I see so many 700HP capable Dsms forsale, yet they cant break 400whp because there isnt enough supporting mods


I dont understand some turbo guys on how they mod there car and pick there parts...

They seem to think bigger is better, but also say well I dont need that!

Its like putting a car back together and having a bunch of bolts left over! NOT GOOD

 

[Bender]

I think most people are only making half their horsepower just because they can't tune. Supporting parts or not, the biggest thing is tuning. If you think about it, all supporting parts do is help you tune: lower charge temp, deliver more fuel, etc. I think if people are serious about building a high horsepower car, they should learn to tune. I see too many turbos twice the size of my old 16g that are only running mid 13's. Not to mention they have manual transmissions when they do that. I can't launch, or rev up to 8 grand.