1G Rear engine mount to subframe bolt hole alignment

[Element21302]

My car is a 93 Talon TSi. Originally had an auto trans, working on finally finishing up the swap to manual. I ran into an issue with my rear engine mount bolt holes not lining up with the subframe. Its an Anchor 8105. Not sure if I'm missing something or maybe its just a bad/cheap mount. Any ideas?

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[spyderdrifter]

You might need a different mount specific to manual trans. Not sure if they are different for 1G cars, but the mounts are on 2G cars.

 

[Element21302]

I failed to mention that I'm swapping from the auto mount to the manual mount. The manual mount bolt holes don't line up with the subframe.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

What’s the 3 digit number on the manual mount you have?

 

[Element21302]

195 - Turbo AWD Manual Mount, but thats not the issue. Its the mount that attaches to the subframe.

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It has 3 bolts that hold it to the subframe. The passenger side bolt hole is quite a bit off.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Where did you buy the roller stop mount? It's possible they sent you the wrong one, or was packaged incorrectly. As with the mounting bracket, the roller stop is also different between the auto and manual trans. Track down a 1G manual roller stop mount. Should be easy enough to find from someone parting a car out. Not sure what condition the bushing will be in, but in the event it's cracked, some window weld is a cheap way to fix it.

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[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Is it THIS ONE?

Engine mount bracket rear 1G AWD MT DSM and GVR4 #195

Performance Partout

performancepartout.com

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Marty,
He needs the roll stop mount that attaches to the subframe. What you have pictured is the is the actual mount that attaches to the block

 

[Element21302]

I already picked up the engine side brackets (#195 for rear, #347 for the front). I also got the new frame side rubber mounts. The manual one is taller than the auto but the bolt holes do not line up.

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[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Hmmm, frame side. Yes a partout would be the place. I will keep looking. I have resorted to calling the guys at PP and they were very helpful when I needed some pulse generators for a auto car.

 

[Element21302]

Marty,
He needs the roll stop mount that attaches to the subframe. What you have pictured is the is the actual mount that attaches to the block

Yes! I did a lot of research on the different engine mounts/brackets/roll stops and I know the amount of misinformation about the situation. I am almost positive I ordered the right parts. Not sure if I was sent the right parts.

But what I really cant understand is transmission or not they should both mount to the frame.

Hmmm, frame side. Yes a partout would be the place. I will keep looking. I have resorted to calling the guys at PP and they were very helpful when I needed some pulse generators for a auto car.

I mean, I should be able to get them from Napa or something. I ordered the last one from rock auto.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Yes! I did a lot of research on the different engine mounts/brackets/roll stops and I know the amount of misinformation about the situation. I am almost positive I ordered the right parts. Not sure if I was sent the right parts.

But what I really cant understand is transmission or not they should both mount to the frame.

The different transmissions (fwd/awd/AT/MT) all have slightly different positioning within the engine bay, which is why the correct mounts MUST be used. Otherwise you can throw the geometry of the driveshaft off. Aftermarket companies don't always accomodate for this and use general blueprint designs when making replacement parts. They may assume, like you, that an AWD trans is an AWD trans, whether it be an auto or manual. But with these cars, it makes a BIG difference, as you have found out. Just call up performance partout, or look for anyone parting out a car that may have this mount. It's not a highly sought after item, so i'm sure there are plenty out there. Throw up a wanted ad on a few of the Facebook classified groups, and I bet you will get more selections than you can handle.

 

[Element21302]

The different transmissions (fwd/awd/AT/MT) all have slightly different positioning within the engine bay, which is why the correct mounts MUST be used. Otherwise you can throw the geometry of the driveshaft off. Aftermarket companies don't always accomodate for this and use general blueprint designs when making replacement parts. They may assume, like you, that an AWD trans is an AWD trans, whether it be an auto or manual. But with these cars, it makes a BIG difference, as you have found out. Just call up performance partout, or look for anyone parting out a car that may have this mount. It's not a highly sought after item, so i'm sure there are plenty out there. Throw up a wanted ad on a few of the Facebook classified groups, and I bet you will get more selections than you can handle.

I understand how important it is, this is why im doing the mount swap. I did not assume anything. I changed transmissions, so I am changing the mounts.

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I took the auto mount off, and put the manual mount on, but the bolt holes dont line up.
Both mounts SHOULD mount to the subframe, correct? Auto one fits but the manual one doesn't.

I do agree that the company could have used a poor blueprint to remake the part and thats the issue.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

I could swear we have had this issue before with that mount and it not being the correct mount even though it is listed as correct. It is in another thread somewhere. I will hunt for it when I get a chance.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I could swear we have had this issue before with that mount and it not being the correct mount even though it is listed as correct. It is in another thread somewhere. I will hunt for it when I get a chance.

I do recall a thread like that as well

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/are-1g-a-b-rear-engine-mounts-the-same.516335/#post-153680910

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Thanks Mike, that was the one I was thinking about.

 

[pauleyman]

I'll stand by my comments in that post. You may be looking at fwd vs awd differences. Parts stores and online (non dsm) places are notorious for screwing up awd vs fwd parts.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Paul, I think that is what the conclusion was with Tony, they just sold him the wrong part. I was thinking I took a picture of the correct mount but I can't find it. I can post it up when I get home though if needed.
That #793 Bracket is a tough one to find, I'd hang on to it!

 

[Element21302]

I do recall a thread like that as well

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/are-1g-a-b-rear-engine-mounts-the-same.516335/#post-153680910

Thank you!

I'll stand by my comments in that post. You may be looking at fwd vs awd differences. Parts stores and online (non dsm) places are notorious for screwing up awd vs fwd parts.

Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if they sent the wrong one..... Well I just went out to check and did a little photo shoot and during that time I found this.

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Maybe that part number is just for the rubber insert?

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But the mount clearly isn't right for the subframe its attaching to. Are the subframes different on FWD?

Does anyone have the dimensions of the proper AWD manual mount?

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Paul, I think that is what the conclusion was with Tony, they just sold him the wrong part. I was thinking I took a picture of the correct mount but I can't find it. I can post it up when I get home though if needed.
That #793 Bracket is a tough one to find, I'd hang on to it!

Funny thing is, that bracket was just laying around. Its the original for the car, but the last owner pulled a FWD engine and never swapped the mounts. I just took off the #648. Its never been driven like that. Only found out because I knew I had to change brackets during the manual swap.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

The auto brackets are a sought after item. I have spares but most are looking to buy them for auto swaps. Can bring a decent $.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

This is the correct rear rollstop for 1g cars. Sorry its a bit dirty, the car has been down for a couple years. This should clear the question up.
Marty

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[Element21302]

Thank you so much. This was perfect. I tried to copy the picture with my stock auto mount vs the new "manual" mount I purchased. The new one is way too tall.

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If mine didnt look so bad I would probably just reuse it.

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I dont have the packaging so I cant confirm the part number, but for $8 each, I think Ill just order both and compare them. Anchor shows 2 different part numbers so there must be a difference.

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[NOSLO2PT0]

if you can’t get the correct amount, just fill that one with window weld and let it cure in the oven for a couple hours. Just make sure you do that when the wife isn’t home

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

I have the 8105 in stock. Want to see it? I use poly mounts in 2 of the 3 DSMs I have so this one is new, lets go dig it out and look at it.....

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DON'T get the 8105, it is too tall. I dug my new, from 2014, mount out (receipt still in the box).
Now we ALL KNOW!!!
Marty

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[Element21302]

Thanks for all your help Marty. I appreciate it a lot!

Alright so I ordered the 8104, we'll see if that one is right.

If its not right I'll just go with the window weld method.

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Now Im curious how much different the roll stops are between AWD Auto and AWD Manual. I thought I pulled off a stock auto mount but it looks the same as your manual mount.