re-update on 420a

[awddynamite]

redynoed it today with new tranny and bigger WG spring in so the boost would hold and the final results were 443whp and 409ftlbs at 27psi. TALONESIT will be putting up vids of my dyno runs and of my 420whp sheets ( 420whp for my 420g-a-y), also on these vids you will see the car made those numbers spinning like a mad man on the dyno. also will have the 443whp scanned and put up along with the videos of the car at the track this wednesday.

 

[TREV TEC]

http://trevtec.com/Trevstuff/2006-11-07-0035-34_edited.jpg

441whp and 409 ft lbs @ 28 psi.


I just took a spin in Justins Talon after the tune, 3rd gear no longer just spins, its completely useless. 4th gear now spins like 3rd use to. Hopefully we will have some videos on Wednesday night of this beast on some slicks and I think we should see easy mid to low 11s.

 

[TalonESIT]

Here are the dyno sheets during his 3rd gear pull... his was climbing on the rollers. I'm uploading the video of the 4th gear pull that landed him at 443whp w/ 409tflb TQ..

Also included a pic of the 98 stock sebring tranny, he replaced for his blown one, that he installed earlier in the day. Only thing not stock in that tranny is the clutch.

He is heading to the track wednesday to get some times...

Awsome job man! Too bad you HATE US SOO MUCH! ! j/p

 

[BigRand]

Major props for the time spent, can't knock that. So no lsd in the tranny for the track, just slicks and stock axles I'm assuming? Good luck at the track tomorrow.

 

[TalonESIT]

Here we go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TbYQFtyX4


Bigrand: Yup from what I heard, he is heading to the track with some slicks and a nicely tuned vehicle! No tranny mods.

 

[XMasta19]

...dynojet ?


So, slicks with stock axles and no lsd still...good luck

 

[dr1665]

...dynojet ?


So, slicks with stock axles and no lsd still...good luck

Who says you can't drag race and still enjoy the twisties. Good luck. Impressive numbers.

 

[Blitzeclips]

Nice pull guys. Thats nice numbers. I'd still love to hear more about the mods, tuning done, what you tuned with, etc. Just some more detail in your mods.

 

[TalonESIT]

...dynojet ?


So, slicks with stock axles and no lsd still...good luck

Mustang

 

[TREV TEC]

I think we need to take it to a Dynojet to see what kind of numbers we can get. Were seeing about 15% more on most cars, can you say 509whp?

 

[TREV TEC]

So, slicks with stock axles and no lsd still...good luck

Its all in the slip of the clutch, if your good at your not gonna break. If he get exited at the light and dumps it, well be sure to send you some peices of diff and axle to grind up and make a 420a Grill out of like Paul Wall

 

[Blitzeclips]

You guys are blowing up your own bubble again.

It'd be cool if you gave us some insight on the MODS and SETUP and TUNING used for this. Rather then wave a dynosheet in front of our face with no supporting details. That's not how we do shit around here. We share with the community.

 

[dr1665]

You guys are blowing up your own bubble again.

It'd be cool if you gave us some insight on the MODS and SETUP and TUNING used for this. Rather then wave a dynosheet in front of our face with no supporting details. That's not how we do shit around here. We share with the community.

Whoa, dude. Be cool. I do believe I remember a certain someone saying, on another site, "I'll do whatever I want." Being a dick doesn't exactly help the cause. Ya know?

As for the dyno run, it's apparent that someone has busted his ass to get to the front of the pack. Down to brass tacks, here, we all can safely assume built bottom end, but would you humor us with some additional information? Research is showing you talking about a 16G turbo. Given these numbers, we're thinking you either up-sized or sprayed on this run. Care to elaborate?

We don't need copies of your fuel/ignition maps or an itemized build of materials sheet, but it would be interesting to hear how you made this happen. If you could at least share info on what turbo you're running (looks bigger than a 16G?), if you have any headwork done, and/or what you're using to tune, you would make a lot of people happy.

At this point, I can only think of two stock-displacement 2GNTs making that kind of horsepower (and HRC isn't one of them). Congrats to you.

 

[TalonESIT]

Whoa, dude. Be cool. I do believe I remember a certain someone saying, on another site, "I'll do whatever I want." Being a dick doesn't exactly help the cause. Ya know?

As for the dyno run, it's apparent that someone has busted his ass to get to the front of the pack. Down to brass tacks, here, we all can safely assume built bottom end, but would you humor us with some additional information? Research is showing you talking about a 16G turbo. Given these numbers, we're thinking you either up-sized or sprayed on this run. Care to elaborate?

We don't need copies of your fuel/ignition maps or an itemized build of materials sheet, but it would be interesting to hear how you made this happen. If you could at least share info on what turbo you're running (looks bigger than a 16G?), if you have any headwork done, and/or what you're using to tune, you would make a lot of people happy.

At this point, I can only think of two stock-displacement 2GNTs making that kind of horsepower (and HRC isn't one of them). Congrats to you.

Hope he doesn't mind about some info I can share.

It's a garret t3/t4 60 trim turbo, not a 16g. As far as I know, the only thing built on this beast is the bottom end. He has cam gears, not sure which kind, but i'm pretty sure they are stock cams.

He has the hahn portfueler kit, as he said before, and uses that software.
As far as tuning, i'll leave that for them...

Otherwise everyone he doesn't have crazy amounts of engine work, secret gadgets, or anything like that into the vehicle. Very good tuners and knowledge is the major factor here.

He does have an ignition box, im pretty sure at that boost level!

You guys are blowing up your own bubble again.

It'd be cool if you gave us some insight on the MODS and SETUP and TUNING used for this. Rather then wave a dynosheet in front of our face with no supporting details. That's not how we do shit around here. We share with the community.

He waved a dyno sheet in the beg. so no one could pull the BS flag, last time they posted here,w/o immediate proof, it opened up a bad can of worms. With that said, as well as what the Doctor said, maybe we can learn from them instead of getting pissed ^.^.

 

[Blitzeclips]

This is the SECOND thread AFTER a LOCKED thread about the same stuff. These 'amazing' numbers and times a 420 g-a-y (right?) is putting down.

Yet somehow out of 2 threads there's still barely ANY information on how this guy got there.

It's like showing someone a magic trick then not teaching them it. You're boasting for your own recognition...

DRIGGS- That's right, my friend. Yet things have changed since, eh? I'm not getting pissed, just irriated for lack there of...

 

[dr1665]

Hope he doesn't mind about some info I can share.

Thank you. Easy enough, imo.

It's a garret t3/t4 60 trim turbo, not a 16g. As far as I know, the only thing built on this beast is the bottom end. He has cam gears, not sure which kind, but i'm pretty sure they are stock cams.

He has the hahn portfueler kit, as he said before, and uses that software.
As far as tuning, i'll leave that for them...

Otherwise everyone he doesn't have crazy amounts of engine work, secret gadgets, or anything like that into the vehicle. Very good tuners and knowledge is the major factor here.

He does have an ignition box, im pretty sure at that boost level!

Sounds about right. I don't think the HRC car had any headwork until the very end, if at all. Just goes to show that boost is potentially a replacement for anything. Anything, that is, except actual tuning.

He waved a dyno sheet in the beg. so no one could pull the BS flag, last time they posted here,w/o immediate proof, it opened up a bad can of worms. With that said, as well as what the Doctor said, maybe we can learn from them instead of getting pissed ^.^.

Personally, I don't know how you could ask for more in a thread like this. A dyno sheet and video clip right off the bat? No, "Gimme a couple days to get mah boyz over here wut gotz a cam n'all dat, nah'm'sayin, bra?" We get enough of that. Personally, I was more concerned this was going to be another "Yeah, it's a stock bottom end" threads. As much as I want to believe that guy runs 12s on a stock bottom end, without seeing the internals, I just can't believe that.

This is a good thread. Congrats to the Vegas 2GNT crew for making it happen. I'm hoping that, as time goes on, we'll start to see more and more of these 400whp+ 2GNTs showing up. I know there's at least two or three more out there right now, almost ready to rock the dyno. They should be at the Shootout next year.

This is the SECOND thread AFTER a LOCKED thread about the same stuff. These 'amazing' numbers and times a 420 g-a-y (right?) is putting down.

Yet somehow out of 2 threads there's still barely ANY information on how this guy got there.

I dunno. Maybe you made this post at the same time he replied with the details. I have to ask, man, how much information is really needed to run 400whp? When you really think about it, probably 80% of the regulars in this section of Tuners could build a 400whp car if they wanted. In order of importance, you need experience, money, and time. I'm not going to go out and track down the calculations for how much fuel to run 400hp, but think about it:

You need a bottom end that can handle the boost and the right mix of boost and fuel. That's pretty much it. The hard part comes in determining how you would put that together. Obviously, you'd start with the bottom end; getting quality internals and freshening up the bearings and pumps. Then you'd have your choice of turbo to push the airflow. After that, it's all about fuel delivery, isn't it? You need X amount of fuel at Ypsi, so you size your injectors based on your target duty cycle and whether or not you want room to "grow." Then you simply need to address delivery issues.

The reason why there aren't more people putting out these numbers is due to the cost of the components at this level, imo. I'd say a conservative estimate to have the potential to make these numbers would be around $4000-$5000, depending on your doing a lot of work yourself (assuming paying retail).

Thanks, again for sharing.

 

[awddynamite]

i have already listed all my mods in my last topic but i will do it again,
it is a built bottom end with weiseco pistons, eagle rods, the head has stock cams with crower valve springs and retainers, ferrea valves, in between is a factory head gasket with arp's clamping it down at 90ftlbs, head was PNP, fuel is controlled by a port fueler with 500cc secondaries, turbo is a t3t4 garrett 60 trim on a star manifold with a turboxs wastegate, intercooler is 24-10-3 and all intercooler piping is done in house along with the downpipe but exhaust is an espiler 80mm for a gst, the car does have a msd dis-2 and a split second voltage clamp, all tuning is done via laptop by trevor. anything else you would like to know i will be happy to let you know.

 

[Blitzeclips]

AWD- Thanks for the mod list.. What about drivetrain? No upgrades there?

 

[awddynamite]

just a clutchmasters clutch.

 

[awddynamite]

here is one of the third gear pulls,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CAXp6wn1sM&mode=user&search=
and here is a vid of my friends stock motor, stock turbo auto 280zxT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT5PewktajQ
just for kicks i thought i would post it.

 

[BigRand]

I think my car is setup for that kind of power too, it just needs a few more things

Data logger, Cam gears, someone who knows how to tune using emange (waiting for them to get back from military training on the east coast, Better wastegate, possibly bigger intercooler (star????), possibly beef up the valvetrain.

But based on his mods that looks about what I'm missing....well and bigger turbo, and I won't need megasquirt if I can get this emange done correctly.

I'm one of those guys who spent a lot of money on their cars yet is just missing a few important peices to make it go fast, or make it show worthy.

I need to get done with school and get a better job.....anyways good luck to all the others who are close to making big power out there.

 

[dr1665]

You dont know me. You don't know shit about me. You don' know my car or set-up.

Actually, he's a mod over on 2GNT. He knows more about you than you think, man.

Just be cool. We all have to take some shit now and again, right? No worries! The important thing is that we have more information on mods for this car, we've seen the dyno graph, and we've got video proof of the runs. This is a legitimate 400whp+ boosted 2GNT, fellas. It's time for a celebration. If you've got similar mods on your own car, even moreso, methinks.

At any rate, that power curve is hillarious. I salute the accomplishment, but I think you'll want to spray off the line with that thing. It looks like your HP basically doubles around 4000rpm.

Now, if your bottom end is balanced and you had MSnS running your spark and you could wind her out to 9000rpm... Whoo damn!

 

[XMasta19]

If my car didn't hate me so much and I wasn't in Alaska z...I woul dhave made this kinda post already hahaha. But we'll keep the rabbit in the hat for a little while longer

 

[TREV TEC]

At any rate, that power curve is hillarious. I salute the accomplishment, but I think you'll want to spray off the line with that thing. It looks like your HP basically doubles around 4000rpm.

Now, if your bottom end is balanced and you had MSnS running your spark and you could wind her out to 9000rpm... Whoo damn!

For some reason the Portfueler is dumping alot of fuel randomly on the low end. He is just waiting till about 3000-3500 to mash the throttle which is why it looks like that. it accually has a pretty wicked power band and a good 4000 RPMs of power. When he got the car it had a screwed up engine harness and ECU. We got both brand new from the dealer and for some reason it has no rev limiter, so we use the DIS2 to activate a rev limit at 8000. We were trying to get some big numbers just to make this wednesday track day interesting. Well go back some other time and work on the low end tune.

 

[TREV TEC]

I'll bring my Helmet with us to the track so we can get some in car videos at the track to give you an idea what its like to drive this bad boy.