Rally Exhaust?

[gusu]

I have a Megan Racing exhaust, it's Megan all the way to the fart cannon N1 muffler. I love it, it has a nice deep tone all the way through the power band and isn't too loud over stock during idle, however it really opens up at high RPM and gets as loud as a regular 3 inch exhaust.

 

[Leonthefaded]

So as most of you know I traded the 95 GSX for my new 98 GSX and went with it my Custom 3 in straight pipe with N1 Muffler. Honestly I didnt not like the high pitched tone when at WOT above 4500 RPMs. So now I'm back in the market for an exhaust. And I'm back to square one looking for that low loping rally sound at idle that can carry into higher RPMs and speed. Much like an SRT4 Neon.

Now I know the differences between the 2.4L and the 2.0L can effect tone but, I know there is a system and setup out there that can get close to it. So lets hit those sound clips on youtube and get this setup on my car!

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Why is that

Because it's one of the worst exhausts ever produced for these cars.

I don't understand why those who love theirs - do. Those who hate it, hate it because it necks down to smaller than the stock exhaust something like 1.9" through the resinators and they usually develop a softball sized rust hole in the muffler.
It's overpriced, aluminized crap. Sounds like ass, too but that's a little more subjective and could be due to being so rusty. Lofty's sounded pretty good.

So as most of you know I traded the 95 GSX for my new 98 GSX and went with it my Custom 3 in straight pipe with N1 Muffler. Honestly I didnt not like the high pitched tone when at WOT above 4500 RPMs. So now I'm back in the market for an exhaust. And I'm back to square one looking for that low loping rally sound at idle that can carry into higher RPMs and speed. Much like an SRT4 Neon.

Now I know the differences between the 2.4L and the 2.0L can effect tone but, I know there is a system and setup out there that can get close to it. So lets hit those sound clips on youtube and get this setup on my car!

Any "loping" will have to be introduced via more aggressive cams or somehow fabricating yourself an unequal length exhaust manifold. Honestly, what are you on about with this "rally" exhaust and wanting to sound like other cars, etc.?
There really is no "special" part or anything. Just go 3" all the way back with one or 2 (check rre for info) inline resonators and a god dual tip (stock esque.) muffler and you'll be satisfied. Oh, and a cat.

So, apart from piping and a muffler, what are you hoping to find? I'd gladly help you but what you're asking for is a faery tale.

 

[Leonthefaded]

Because it's one of the worst exhausts ever produced for these cars.

I don't understand why those who love theirs - do. Those who hate it, hate it because it necks down to smaller than the stock exhaust something like 1.9" through the resinators and they usually develop a softball sized rust hole in the muffler.
It's overpriced, aluminized crap. Sounds like ass, too but that's a little more subjective and could be due to being so rusty. Lofty's sounded pretty good.



Any "loping" will have to be introduced via more aggressive cams or somehow fabricating yourself an unequal length exhaust manifold. Honestly, what are you on about with this "rally" exhaust and wanting to sound like other cars, etc.?
There really is no "special" part or anything. Just go 3" all the way back with one or 2 (check rre for info) inline resonators and a god dual tip (stock esque.) muffler and you'll be satisfied. Oh, and a cat.

So, apart from piping and a muffler, what are you hoping to find? I'd gladly help you but what you're asking for is a faery tale.

To break it down to the nitty gritty basic wants and desires.

Aggresive idle. Not high pitched in the upper RPMs. Open enough for the T25, but will compliment the 14B when I install it. Not sounding like a freaking honda civic.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

To break it down to the nitty gritty basic wants and desires.

Aggresive idle. Not high pitched in the upper RPMs. Open enough for the T25, but will compliment the 14B when I install it. Not sounding like a freaking honda civic.

Go 2.5". This will possibly reduce cost, and reduce drone and other Honda nasties.

You will still need the cat, 2 resonators and a new muffler. An 02 housing could help you out with performance and sound, too.

 

[killer1GDSM]

I am by no means hating on all the name brand exhaust out there for our cars, but why spend the money on them?
I have on my 1g a full 3" mandrel bent exaghst, no cat, super small ressinator, back to a HKS knockoff muffler that is the best sounding exhaust on a dsm I have ever herd, I dont know what the OP's state laws on exauhst are but i imgaine you can get a test pipe super cheap if needed. Even if you do have a $500 certificate doesnt mean you have to spend it all, they mite give you a cash dedutable of whats left you never know?
I will get a video of my car as soon as I can, to see what you all think, but all in all it only cost me a total of $275.76 at my local shop to have done... Just my penny thoughts.

 

[Leonthefaded]

I am by no means hating on all the name brand exhaust out there for our cars, but why spend the money on them?
I have on my 1g a full 3" mandrel bent exaghst, no cat, super small ressinator, back to a HKS knockoff muffler that is the best sounding exhaust on a dsm I have ever herd, I dont know what the OP's state laws on exauhst are but i imgaine you can get a test pipe super cheap if needed. Even if you do have a $500 certificate doesnt mean you have to spend it all, they mite give you a cash dedutable of whats left you never know?
I will get a video of my car as soon as I can, to see what you all think, but all in all it only cost me a total of $275.76 at my local shop to have done... Just my penny thoughts.

No cash value is on the certificate. Basically it covered the install costs but I don't have that muffler or car anymore.

I appreciate the information though. It would help if I had better sound clips than the old youtube stuff still floating on their. I know for certain that 3in straight pipe and a n1 isn't going to cut it. Maybe I should look into an ebay knock off bolt on system

 

[importracr317]

My $0.02....custom mandrel bent, stainless steel with a nice muffler. More money so you can buy a nice friggin' muffler

 

[Leonthefaded]

My $0.02....custom mandrel bent, stainless steel with a nice muffler. More money so you can buy a nice friggin' muffler

Thats exactly what I had before, but it sounded like crap . Maybe it was the fact that the piping was crush bent instead of mendrial but I doubt thats the reason

 

[Blurred Talon]

I've never heard a turbo DSM that sounds bad.

The sound you are describing from a rallye car has a lot to do with how the motor is set up.

That said, I love my Megan Racing TBE.

 

[Leonthefaded]

Maybe going for the sound is too much to ask for. Time to get realistic. I DONT want to sound like a POS honda civic OR a a bee pissed off in a tin can when I'm in the upper RPMs or at low idle.

 

[knochgoon24]

Thats exactly what I had before, but it sounded like crap . Maybe it was the fact that the piping was crush bent instead of mendrial but I doubt thats the reason

No, it was because of the muffler.

 

[Leonthefaded]

No, it was because of the muffler.

I didnt want to say it, because I dont like knocking products without giving a product review but THANK YOU for saying it aloud N1 Mufflers Suck (With 3in Straight Pipe).

I'm deeply considering a bolt on application from either HKS, Greddy, and/or thier ebay equavilants.

 

[Blurred Talon]

HKS or Greddy have no eBay equivalents. You get what you pay for, remember that. I've been ####ing around with all kinds of cars for years now and I will tell you it's worth your while to buy the right part the first time around even if it's more expensive.

Case in point my Megan Racing TBE, it fits like crap. Had I known this I would have bought something different like an HKS system.

 

[knochgoon24]

Like I said, I have 3" SS from the turbo back to a Dynomax muffler. No cat. It doesn't have a drone and it doesn't sound "cheap".

You change the sound with resonators and the muffler. The length of the piping would change the sound too, but you don't have much control over that. A good muffler is where you'll get the biggest change in sound.

 

[Spoolin92GSX]

I don't quite understand what sound you're expecting, if you don't want to sound like a Honda but hated the sound of straight piping with an N1.. But if you're looking to imitate the SRT4 sound, 3" straight pipe turbo-back. That's it. And that will be about the closest sound you'll get. Personally, I like the sound of 3" straight piping turbo-back to a single chamber Magnaflow muffler, or similar.

 

[Leonthefaded]

I don't quite understand what sound you're expecting, if you don't want to sound like a Honda but hated the sound of straight piping with an N1.. But if you're looking to imitate the SRT4 sound, 3" straight pipe turbo-back. That's it. And that will be about the closest sound you'll get. Personally, I like the sound of 3" straight piping turbo-back to a single chamber Magnaflow muffler, or similar.

How would you say the 3" straight pipe single chamber magnaflow performs for you? And would you happen to have any sound clips of your current system?

Trying to get to the specific sound I desire I've realized quite a few posts ago and a day ago is something that problably cannot be acheived without alot fo trial and error, money and engine work. Right now the focus is avoiding the cheap annoying sound of a honda civic buzzing in the wind down a highway or small community followed by the grunting of "Damn street racers"

 

[Leonthefaded]

Taking my car to an exhaust shop in a week or two and my quest for a the exhaust system is looking not so good.

After careful self debate, I've decided I cannot settle for less than what I want. Because the fact is, anything less would be dumb. My car is the last project and dsm. I want to do it right the first time. So. That being said.

Rally exhaust. Maybe a combination of aftermarket cam shafts and might as well new cam gears with a 2.5' straight pipe to apexi dual n1s with a drift slant similar to how 240s rock them.

 

[knochgoon24]

Dual N1's? As if 1 isn't bad enough?

Everyone keeps suggesting Dynomax and Magnaflow for a deeper sound. What about the N1 makes you think "rally"?

 

[Leonthefaded]

Dual N1's? As if 1 isn't bad enough?

Everyone keeps suggesting Dynomax and Magnaflow for a deeper sound. What about the N1 makes you think "rally"?

Nothing about the N1 makes me think rally. Although I liked the astetics of the N1 and the idle of it as well, I did not enjoy the upper RPMs of that specific exhaust. Now with different configurations maybe it will work out. BUT and this is a big BUT. There are too many possible configurations to go through to cost effectivly find the rally exhaust tone I'm going for in all ranges of RPMs.

Which leads me back to what I was thinking intially. Maybe If I invest more into internal modifications I can acheive this.

 

[gofer]

This is the closest to a "rallying" 2g GSX that I've ever seen and it has no exhaust, it dumps out the downpipe. Any true rally DSM has no catback exhaust so quit saying rally exhaust, its annoying...

SEXY BEAST - DSM GERMANY ECLIPSE - YouTube

I don't get too caught up in exhaust notes, its the way it performs/functions is what matters to me. That being said, the Apexi GT downpipe and HKS hipower (with resonators removed) that I have under my car sounds good at idle all the way to redline.

Search '99 DSM GSX - HKS SSQV bov - HKS Turboback Exhaust in youtube and you'll find a video of jjrock's t25 setup with the HKS setup. Sounds good throughout the entire pull...

 

[importracr317]

Nothing about the N1 says "rally" to me either...I'd go straight pipe from the turbo back, something like this:

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Don't make it stick out as much, but this would be different, loud, raspy and wouldn't sound anything like a single-cam Honda. Heck, you're in Hawaii, build the first bosozoku DSM!

 

[tcbikerguy6]

Here is a sound clip of my 3" straight pipe from the turbo back. No cat no muffler.

3" Turbo Back Exhaust 1G DSM - YouTube

 

[Leonthefaded]

This is the closest to a "rallying" 2g GSX that I've ever seen and it has no exhaust, it dumps out the downpipe. Any true rally DSM has no catback exhaust so quit saying rally exhaust, its annoying...

SEXY BEAST - DSM GERMANY ECLIPSE - YouTube

I don't get too caught up in exhaust notes, its the way it performs/functions is what matters to me. That being said, the Apexi GT downpipe and HKS hipower (with resonators removed) that I have under my car sounds good at idle all the way to redline.

Search '99 DSM GSX - HKS SSQV bov - HKS Turboback Exhaust in youtube and you'll find a video of jjrock's t25 setup with the HKS setup. Sounds good throughout the entire pull...

A no catback exhaust I. Haven't ruled out but, I have to rule out 3in straight pipe to an apexi n1 to get that autocross/gymkhana/on/off road sound. From the downpipe to the n1 3in striaght pipe sounds like crap to me. Maybe 2.5 to the n1 would soound better but its tough to say

 

[Leonthefaded]

Okay so I thought I'd try this. A 3' Downpipe to a resonator and 2.75 piping to a HKS turboback muffler