PTE 50 Trim, overkill?

[zross1]

Pump gas + full weight + 16g = 13 second timeslips all day.

Race gas + full weight + 16g = Solid 12 second timeslips all day.

Race gas + gutted car + 16g = Low 12 and possibly occasional 11 second timeslips.

Race gas +gutted car + 50 trim = too much fun!

Exactly!
Just to add one more
50 trim + pump gas+full weight = mid to low 12's

 

[guitarXgeek]

Exactly!
Just to add one more
50 trim + pump gas+full weight = mid to low 12's

Which is exactly what I'm looking for! Thanks guys

 

[yo2001]

12.50 on pump gas, full weight. 1G though

 

[zross1]

You guys are all crazy, ive gone 12.42 @ 114mph in my 1g awd with a stock sidemount, and a small 16g, i havnt dynoed because theres no awd dyno's around me, but a 16g is deffinatly capable if you know how to use it, im all about getting the most out of what i have, and btw, e3b16 is 550 shipped, most PTE 50 trims are 850-900 shipped, i dont know where ur finding a mitsu flanged 50 trim for 700. when u do, let me know cuz im in the market

BTW the term " 50 trim " is way over used, in all reality, a 16g is technically a 50 trim..so...how about we not use this worn out cliche anymore ?

I'm seriously not trying to be a dick, but please read the posts on the thread before telling us a 16g can get someone into the 12's. We all know this. I gaurantee you didn't run that time on pump, or your car was gutted, or both. If you say you ran what you stated full weight and on pump I call bs.
If you want a 50 trim for 700 all you have to do is look on dsmtrader or ebay and you can find a low mile turbo for that price if you trust the person buying it. Of course you walk a fine line buying used, but that's up to who ever is willing to take the chance. The point is, you can find one for 700.
50 trim being a worn out cliche? When is the last time you heard a 16G referred to as a 50 trim? 99% of the time a 16g is referred to as a 16G, and a 50 trim is referred to as a Garrett T04E compressor wheel. I hardly think this would be justified as a cliche.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

WTHF? How did injectors become a part of this discussion? I have a buddy that runs a fp 2544 with stock injectors for over a year in the 12's--more power too him. Know a Honda guy who has a huge p trim turbo that run's high 10's on stock dsm injectors. I never would do this, but people get away with it and I think it's great. So this being said, what does injectors have to do with 16g vs 50 trim? Do you really think you could get a 16G compressor wheel to make 350 whp, or get a full weight car into the low 12's effeciently on pump gas. Probably not. What about a 50 trim? No problem.

yeah its called driving ...you can get that kind of power with good tuning. The reason I brought up injectors is cause everyone says run 660 with a with a small 16g cause 550s arent enough. People need to stop overcompensating and just learn how to drive...yeah a 50 trim is great and if thats what the original thread starter wants more power to him. But dont come crying to me when a well driven car with a smaller turbo beats you.
Andrew

wthf?????!?! I am reading alot of tall words from a DSMless MODless keyboard jockey, have you any experience with 16gs? do you or have you had one on your car? do you have a car?

 

[KPWSerpiente]

^where are your timeslips?

-T

 

[NewB2dsm]

man the dsm community is hopeless now...I fear that in a year or two that you wont be able to run 15psi on a t25 anymore without 660cc injectors.....goodluck in your choice

dude you are a moron. the 16g will never get 350whp on pump gas. How many people do you know making more than 400crank hp on pump gas with a 16g? Go ahead count them out for me.

I know what i made to the ground with my small 16g which was just over 300whp gain 50more hp out of my setup will take everything including a miricle. Head swap, intake manifold. 272/272 ext for a damn 16g what a waste. I ran mid 12's on race gas with full interior and no weight reduction. the 16g is a potent turbo but not for 350whp on pump and mid to low 12's on pump.. the key word is PUMP GAS! go rant about how the 16g is king somewhere else.

Also check my profile, 16g turbo is on my car right now and i love it but its coming off asap i need somthing bigger. If this guy just wants to skip a step, let him. Also most people recomend 660's for the 16g b/c most of the time you will ditch the 16g and go to a larger turbo which would need to larger injectors so why upgrade two things twice?

edit: also i can drive and i have a 16g. 1.6960ft 7.9@88mph in the 1/8 and 12.55@108 in the 1/4 with the 16g and 110 octane which was tuned on a dyno by me

 

[zross1]

yeah its called driving ...you can get that kind of power with good tuning. The reason I brought up injectors is cause everyone says run 660 with a with a small 16g cause 550s arent enough. People need to stop overcompensating and just learn how to drive...yeah a 50 trim is great and if thats what the original thread starter wants more power to him. But dont come crying to me when a well driven car with a smaller turbo beats you.
Andrew

wthf?????!?! I am reading alot of tall words from a DSMless MODless keyboard jockey, have you any experience with 16gs? do you or have you had one on your car? do you have a car?

ok...again what does a thread talking about the differences between a 16g and a 50 trim have to do with injectors? Oh ya, it doesn't so quit talking about it

I'm glad you cared enough about me to take a look at my profile. I just updated it so you can take a look at my car and mods. And regardless, even if a person doesn't have mods they can make a intelligent decision or discussion by learning from other peoples mistakes and successes so they don't have to learn the hard way and regret their decsion down the road. In this case he would regret getting a 16g if he wants to accomplish the goals he stated. Your right about driving though. A good driver with a 16g could beat a bad driver with a 50 trim. But if you put a good driver in both cars who is going to win in the 1/4, and who has more margin for error?

Oh ya just so you don't forget the thread isn't about injectors.

 

[EclipseOwner95]

I'm seriously not trying to be a dick, but please read the posts on the thread before telling us a 16g can get someone into the 12's. We all know this. I gaurantee you didn't run that time on pump, or your car was gutted, or both. If you say you ran what you stated full weight and on pump I call bs.
If you want a 50 trim for 700 all you have to do is look on dsmtrader or ebay and you can find a low mile turbo for that price if you trust the person buying it. Of course you walk a fine line buying used, but that's up to who ever is willing to take the chance. The point is, you can find one for 700.
50 trim being a worn out cliche? When is the last time you heard a 16G referred to as a 50 trim? 99% of the time a 16g is referred to as a 16G, and a 50 trim is referred to as a Garrett T04E compressor wheel. I hardly think this would be justified as a cliche.

My car is not gutted at all aside from having no p/s and no a/c, ( btw the components are still there, just no belt, and i have manual seat belts, no jack and no spare tire, the car weighs in just over 3400 with me in it.

 

[zross1]

My car is not gutted at all aside from having no p/s and no a/c, ( btw the components are still there, just no belt, and i have manual seat belts, no jack and no spare tire, the car weighs in just over 3400 with me in it.

Were you on race gas when you ran what you stated?

 

[damax03]

I'm not sure where some of this info comes from but, ShapeGSX ran an 11.9 in a full weight 2g with race gas and could probably run 12.2 on pump gas (he said so himself). It is all with the tuning, it would be a bunch easier with the 50 trim but it is doable with the EVO III 16G.

 

[EclipseOwner95]

Were you on race gas when you ran what you stated?

Depends on what you call race gas, theres several gas stations around my area that sell 100 octane gas out of the pump, which is what i use 80% of the time unless im broke, in this case it was a mix, but more 100 than 93

 

[zross1]

Depends on what you call race gas, theres several gas stations around my area that sell 100 octane gas out of the pump, which is what i use 80% of the time unless im broke, in this case it was a mix, but more 100 than 93

I would consider 100 octane race gas. I wish I lived where you do to get 93 octane let alone 100 octane out of the pump. Here we're stuck with 91

 

[zross1]

I'm not sure where some of this info comes from but, ShapeGSX ran an 11.9 in a full weight 2g with race gas and could probably run 12.2 on pump gas (he said so himself). It is all with the tuning, it would be a bunch easier with the 50 trim but it is doable with the EVO III 16G.

Saying and doing are two different things. Anyone could say they can run x time but doing it is a different story. Race gas makes a huge difference in the 1/4 mile, especially with a 16g turbo. Compare 93 octane to say c16 and that's a 23 octane difference. This is very signfigant in the 1/4 mile. And lets just say someone has ran a low 12 with a 16G full weight, and on pump. There may be only a handful who have done this if any, and I would venture to say that if anyone has done this, they haven't backe it up with another low 12 pass. Chances were it was on a fluke run that everynow and then we all have where everything is just right. If it does happen, it doesn't very often where with a 50 trim it's a given. And there is yet to be anyone with a 16g make a post about a low 12 sec pass full weight and on pump.

 

[14.5 drift]

Just to give you an idea, in the awd section on dsmtimes .com I wrote down the turbo's and trap speeds of every car running between 110 mph and higher, the 16g on average had a trap speed of 113, so take that for what it's worth. I might have averages on other turbo's too if you want.......

 

[Slowboy]

dude you are a moron. the 16g will never get 350whp on pump gas. How many people do you know making more than 400crank hp on pump gas with a 16g? Go ahead count them out for me.

I know what i made to the ground with my small 16g which was just over 300whp gain 50more hp out of my setup will take everything including a miricle. Head swap, intake manifold. 272/272 ext for a damn 16g what a waste. I ran mid 12's on race gas with full interior and no weight reduction. the 16g is a potent turbo but not for 350whp on pump and mid to low 12's on pump.. the key word is PUMP GAS! go rant about how the 16g is king somewhere else.

Also check my profile, 16g turbo is on my car right now and i love it but its coming off asap i need somthing bigger. If this guy just wants to skip a step, let him. Also most people recomend 660's for the 16g b/c most of the time you will ditch the 16g and go to a larger turbo which would need to larger injectors so why upgrade two things twice?

edit: also i can drive and i have a 16g. 1.6960ft 7.9@88mph in the 1/8 and 12.55@108 in the 1/4 with the 16g and 110 octane which was tuned on a dyno by me

BAWAAAAAAAA........ ran 12.01 @ 115.01 numerous times about four years ago...... car weighed 3100 w/ driver......... small 16g, pump gas.

Fast forward to today........ can 350 WHP be done on pump and an EVO III 16g? Yes, did it two days ago. Do you need to build a motor for this, IMO yes.

Can you make 400 WHP on an EVO III 16g and race gas? Yes, did that today at 22 PSI.... and made over 370 Ft/Lbs.

Will post Dyno #'s and graph tomorrow on the website.

To4e "50" trims and pump gas rule for DSM's and will make power easily with proper tuning, however cut the "16g based turbos cannot make power" crap Its obviously not true...

Questions, feel free to email me!

Regards

Mike Huml

 

[guitarXgeek]

Well I am in no way doubting the potential of the evo3 16g. I say, if 14b's can run 12's without TOO much trouble, then the evo3 16g should have no problem doing it. The only problem with the 16g is, that I'm quite inexperienced with actual tuning, so I doubt that I could manage numbers like Slowboy has accomplished. Also, I can already tell that once I reach my set goal for now, that I will most likely want to push it a little further. I'm not on a REALLY tight budget, but I also think upgrading turbos twice will be out of the question

Anyways, I've pretty much made my mind as to what turbo I'll be choosing, which will most likely be the PTE SCM50 (or something around that level) because I've read lots of good reviews on it. Not to mention I took a ride in a local dsmer's car that was sporting the SCM50, and I'm extremely impressed! Thanks for all of your advice and suggestions. I can assure you absolutely NO post on this thread has gone unread or not seriously considered

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

dude you are a moron. the 16g will never get 350whp on pump gas. How many people do you know making more than 400crank hp on pump gas with a 16g? Go ahead count them out for me.

I know what i made to the ground with my small 16g which was just over 300whp gain 50more hp out of my setup will take everything including a miricle. Head swap, intake manifold. 272/272 ext for a damn 16g what a waste. I ran mid 12's on race gas with full interior and no weight reduction. the 16g is a potent turbo but not for 350whp on pump and mid to low 12's on pump.. the key word is PUMP GAS! go rant about how the 16g is king somewhere else.

Also check my profile, 16g turbo is on my car right now and i love it but its coming off asap i need somthing bigger. If this guy just wants to skip a step, let him. Also most people recomend 660's for the 16g b/c most of the time you will ditch the 16g and go to a larger turbo which would need to larger injectors so why upgrade two things twice?

edit: also i can drive and i have a 16g. 1.6960ft 7.9@88mph in the 1/8 and 12.55@108 in the 1/4 with the 16g and 110 octane which was tuned on a dyno by me

I never said anything about being pump gas king moron all I said is for the ORIGINAL thread starter that he can reach his goals with a 16g and still have roiom with race gas. If everyone would read my posts they would understand. Find any reply...or any thread I have ever replied to that I said" 16gs are pump gas kings" and Ill pay you $100 million dollars! dont take my wors and stretch them.

zross I dont care about your profile...you are an idiot what I said about injectors is a METAPHOR!! read my post and understand I only brought it up AS A METAPHOR!! I by no means related it to the discussion. please leave the door is on the right thank you...oh yeah you never answerede me have you ever driven a 16g car? have you any experience at all with either turbo? I have had a b16g for quite some time, and Ive seen MANY "50trims" on the dyno and driving at the track.

I will rip my 16g off right now and buy a 50 trim right now I PROMISE!!!

 

[yo2001]

BAWAAAAAAAA........ ran 12.01 @ 115.01 numerous times about four years ago...... car weighed 3100 w/ driver......... small 16g, pump gas.

Fast forward to today........ can 350 WHP be done on pump and an EVO III 16g? Yes, did it two days ago. Do you need to build a motor for this, IMO yes.

Can you make 400 WHP on an EVO III 16g and race gas? Yes, did that today at 22 PSI.... and made over 370 Ft/Lbs.

Will post Dyno #'s and graph tomorrow on the website.

To4e "50" trims and pump gas rule for DSM's and will make power easily with proper tuning, however cut the "16g based turbos cannot make power" crap Its obviously not true...

Questions, feel free to email me!

Regards

Mike Huml

what kind of dyno did you use on those # Mike?

 

[zross1]

I never said anything about being pump gas king moron all I said is for the ORIGINAL thread starter that he can reach his goals with a 16g and still have roiom with race gas. If everyone would read my posts they would understand. Find any reply...or any thread I have ever replied to that I said" 16gs are pump gas kings" and Ill pay you $100 million dollars! dont take my wors and stretch them.

zross I dont care about your profile...you are an idiot what I said about injectors is a METAPHOR!! read my post and understand I only brought it up AS A METAPHOR!! I by no means related it to the discussion. please leave the door is on the right thank you...oh yeah you never answerede me have you ever driven a 16g car? have you any experience at all with either turbo? I have had a b16g for quite some time, and Ive seen MANY "50trims" on the dyno and driving at the track.

I will rip my 16g off right now and buy a 50 trim right now I PROMISE!!!

Just keep comming back for more don't you. Obviously you do care about my profile because you wouldn't of asked about my car, or my turbo set up if you didn't look at my profile to see I had nothing posted there, resulting in your stupid inquiry asking if I even had a car. Now, if you still ask if I have any experience with a 50 trim or 16G you are really dumb because all you have to do is look at my profile to see that I have a 50 trim(like I told you to because I updated it). But you already knew that didn't you? So you can quit playing dumb. Now if what you call a metaphore went over my head then me explaining that a person doesn't have to have a 16g, or any turbo for that matter,to know how they perform clearly went over yours. So why do you care if I've had a 16g. We all know what they're capable of. Just so you have future reference you don't have to have a turbo on your car to know how they perform. There is this great thing called research and you can find out what would work best for the goals you have. I think even you know this, so don't act like I don't know anything about a 16g just because I never had one. But just to pacify you, no I haven't. I skipped the 16g to a 50 trim because of all the reasons we've already discussed. And I've never looked back. Just like most people who have a 50 trim. You ask someone who went from a 16g to a 50 trim and 99% will tell you they wished they would of skipped the 16G and went to the 50 trim (if they have everything set up right). Of course there are some people who are totally content with a 16G, but those who want the capabilities of a 50 trim are not.

And you sayig that a 16g will get the original thread starter so he "can reach his goals with a 16g and still have room with race gas" is again false. The only one who said that they've ran low 12's in a full weight car and on pump with 16g is slowboy and who would expect anything less from him. He is one of the "handful" of people who have been able to do this. And in his opinion to get 350 whp out of a 16g would require a built motor. So number one the author wouldn't be able to reach his goals with a 16g. And number two he certainly wouldn't "still have room" as you so ignorantly stated. And if the door is still open that you referred me to, you might want to consider taking your own advice.

 

[Mike1992]

TD05 20g? SlowBoy $839

 

[Slowboy]

what kind of dyno did you use on those # Mike?

My own Dynapack......

MGH

 

[Slowboy]

Dyno sheet

Had a few questions to post a link!

MGH

 

[yo2001]

Nice, Must have more cam(s) than I have, the peak torque is higher than mine.

I just dynoed mine this week, 295.7AWHP@6200rpm 292.3ft/lb@4200rpm. 19psi on pump A/F 11.0-11.6. On Dynopack like you got.

here is my graph

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[14.5 drift]

You guys are all crazy, ive gone 12.42 @ 114mph in my 1g awd with a stock sidemount, and a small 16g, i havnt dynoed because theres no awd dyno's around me, but a 16g is deffinatly capable if you know how to use it, im all about getting the most out of what i have, and btw, e3b16 is 550 shipped, most PTE 50 trims are 850-900 shipped, i dont know where ur finding a mitsu flanged 50 trim for 700. when u do, let me know cuz im in the market

BTW the term " 50 trim " is way over used, in all reality, a 16g is technically a 50 trim..so...how about we not use this worn out cliche anymore ?

close enough?