PTE 50 Trim, overkill?

[pneumo]

An fp green is a different kind of 50 trim in comparison to the PTE50. The green has a TO4E comp wheel, and a TDO6H turbine wheel, is ball bearing and either water or oil cooled

Um, no. The Green is not a ball bearing turbo. You're right about the wheels.

 

[zross1]

Plenty of people have done 350 whp on 16Gs with stock blocks Approaching 400 whp running 11s in heavy 2Gs as well. I belive SBR did a touch over 400 IIRC.

OK I do doubt this if you talking about a car on pump. Show me dyno #'s of a 16g stock long block, on pump that pulled of 350 whp. Show me a time slip of someone who ran a low 11 sec pass full weight stock motor on pump with a 16g beside slow boy. You might be able to produce a time slip or two but not many. I would be very impressed if you could show me some dyno #'s. So who are these "plenty of people" you are talking about? Like you said your self "Trying to get a reliable repeatable 12 second pump gas car on a 16g is not the easiest thing for the average person to do. Can the turbo do it? Yes. Would I want to? No."
And like I said before if anyone who is doing "port work on their head or upgrading cams I would hope they would get a bigger turbo then a 16g to push the air these restrictions hold back". I also doubt that port work to a head or cams would be much of a benefit with a 16g.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I dont believe I ever said that was done on pump gas. When talking about what a turbo will do best case scenario, race gas is always implied. Trying to max out a particular turbo on pump gas isnt too bright. That being said, there are two poeple running 11s on a evo16g (Matt T - 1g, Josh W - 2g), and of course leon is running 11.6 on a 14b. And joe gonzalez and myself both ran 12.07 and 12.02, pretty close to 11s. Both full weight 2Gs. Another ran high 11s on a small 16 in a 1g (Mike R). These are just off the top of my head, and local to me, and I probably forgot some. Nationally I'm sure there are plenty more. 20Gs on Pump gas will run 11s and over 350 whp though, I ran more of the infamous 12.0s (117 mph) on just such a setup. IIRC, my best pump times on 16g were in the 12.4-5 range, but I only made a couple passes before I switched to race gas and ran the 12.02@ 115.

 

[jmakado]

I dont believe I ever said that was done on pump gas. When talking about what a turbo will do best case scenario, race gas is always implied. Trying to max out a particular turbo on pump gas isnt too bright.

the original poster was asking about PUMP GAS regardless of how "bright" you think it is.
16's are sweet, i have one, and yes the eIII16g is even better. people are seening airflow numbers that rival 20g's........like 40lb/min on a stock 7 bolt long block! however, the b16 wheel is not that efficient to begin with so i can't see the eIII16g being any better. \
like was stated earlier, lower heat = better pump gas turbo (duh!). the t04e 50 trim is super efficient and will be a *better* pump gas turbo......a t76 would be a great pump gas turbo if you ever got it spooled- my point is that it's a trade. "pump gas" means you want a fast street car right? you want to see what your car really runs on a day to day basis. that being said, i would take my 16g anyday over my good friends 50 trim! quick boost response and good top end are more fun for me than no low end and crazy top end....but that's just my opinion.

 

[zross1]

I dont believe I ever said that was done on pump gas. When talking about what a turbo will do best case scenario, race gas is always implied. Trying to max out a particular turbo on pump gas isnt too bright. That being said, there are two poeple running 11s on a evo16g (Matt T - 1g, Josh W - 2g), and of course leon is running 11.6 on a 14b. And joe gonzalez and myself both ran 12.07 and 12.02, pretty close to 11s. Both full weight 2Gs. Another ran high 11s on a small 16 in a 1g (Mike R). These are just off the top of my head, and local to me, and I probably forgot some. Nationally I'm sure there are plenty more. 20Gs on Pump gas will run 11s and over 350 whp though, I ran more of the infamous 12.0s (117 mph) on just such a setup. IIRC, my best pump times on 16g were in the 12.4-5 range, but I only made a couple passes before I switched to race gas and ran the 12.02@ 115.

Come on now--surely you know this whole thread is about a pump gas turbo. We've already been through the fact a 16g on race gas can pull these numbers. I asked "Show me a time slip of someone who ran a low 12 sec pass full weight stock motor on pump with a 16g beside slow boy." The numbers you posted above have nothing to do with what we are talking about or what I asked. Especially what you said about a 20g running 11's and producing 350 whp. That is super that this is one of your "more infamous runs" as you put it, but please stick to the topic--this is not what we've been talking about in the last 4 pages of this thread. So when talking about what a turbo will do in it's "best case scenario" is not always impliied when we've been talking about pump gas the whole time.
So like you said "trying to max out a particular tubo on pump isn't too smart". This is one of the main points and please let this thread end at that.

 

[yo2001]

I've ran 12.47@108 on pump at 19psi. I'm sure I got little bit more room to improve. I've trap almost 110mph on same amount of boost too. All runs made in down south with alot of humidity and 80 deg heat. I'm sure I can run better in 40 deg weather, now with 650's and 3psi or so more boost in a right condition.

O, I did run 7.87 in 1/8mi. which would have been 12.20-12.30 pass. (when I ran 12.16, I ran 7.81 in 1/8mi)

Low 12's isn't going to be easy still I say it's possible.

Too bad because I got a experiment turbo that's going on my car next month.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

It appears this thread is only about pump gas, after all this time its hard to remember. My appologies. I reread the first couple pages, and I realize that we are both saying the same thing. I am all about going big on the turbo for pump gas. Maybe the O trim/T67 gives that away, maybe not. I thought you were saying that 16Gs cant do [insert criteria here] period, My fault. I first posted to the thread (#51) saying the same thing as you BTW. I cleaned up some of my race gas BS.

 

[zross1]

Nothing but love for ya.

 

[sweet97]

I have run the EVO and currently an AGP 50 trim. I am running the 50 on the EVO mods, 550cc inj's, 2.5" exhaust and sidemount. I am surprised how quick the 50 spools and runs witout the proper mods and I will get the correct mods over the winter. The EVO is a great turbo and in the hands of a bette tuner could really hold it's own. I am not a master tuner but the 50 will end up quicker than the EVO for me including spool. Mark

 

[LAZPNO]

This lag crap is over rated. When will the 50trim's spool even matter? Honestly. most people i know launch their cars at 5k+, and unless you got something crazy going on, you aren't going to dip under 4k when shifting. The first time I ever went to the track was with my 50trim@17-18psi, I went 12.9@106 stock clutch slipping through 1st and 2nd gear. This was all done on pump gas, in a full weight car, my fat ass, a shitload of tools and a shitty tune job.

At the same time though, I won't even diss the 16g. There are locals here that are running low 12s on small16g's, although it is with race gas and cams but still. The 16g should never ever be sold short for what it is and that is simply, one of the only turbos that more than half of this forum's members will ever need.

The main selling point for me for the 50trim vs the 16g was potential. If I so decide that I want to go faster, the 50 trim will be there for quite some time. Good luck with whatever is chosen, but just remember that the 16g should never be counted out.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

IMHO the 16G is a good "stepping stone" to learn how to tune. You gotta walk before you learn how to run right. With either a SFC or DSMlink or full standalone; It provides more room for error in the hands of a noobie. The 16G is a solid turbo but it can not come close to a 50-Trim. I feel once you can master tuning then you should get a bigger turbo because if you cant tune than you cant get the full potential out of the turbo and risk your engine.

 

[pickens]

I don't know about a 50 trim. But I love my small 16g . It is definately a worthwhile turbo. But to reach 350whp you'll need more. However, I noticed that no matter which turbo you have enough is never enough. Let's face it, we all have "Power-Envy" syndrome.

 

[Sk8er07999]

I have a friend with a 1g w/b16g that ran a 12.991 on pump gas and full wieght. Mind you that was in the mile high city too. 16g's are no joke in my opinion. But when there are bolt on 50 trims that are only a few hundred more then why not? Both will get the job done. But while a 16g is maxed out the 50 trim still has room to go.

 

[gigahz95]

TD05 20g? SlowBoy $839

http://www.dejontool.com/images/Turbos/PTvs 20g.JPG

 

[kazzam]

i have a 50 trim and if you want a turbo with mad top end and descent spool, get one, if you want more mid and a rediculasly fast spool go for a 16g. There is no doubt that a 16g will get u where u are going, but when u get there u MIGHT want to say do 375hp, or maybe a bit more. a bigger turbo makes it easier to do this. enjoy