Project 9's No compromise !!!

[turbo addict]

I not hating on anything. just want to know where he is coming from. I know a kid local. now a friend but spent between $15000 & $25000 on a car that lasted less than a season, never got it to the track and bailed on the thing after breaking everything.

I just hope that he knows what all is involved in not only making power but how much CA$H is involved in keeping one of these cars running.

I am myself in the process of building one of these money pits. I too have not been to the track in a few years with my own car. But I have helped build a few fast dsms and my dd is fairly quick for what is done. (power to weight is on par with a 125mph quarter pass, not too bad for a stock motor & a 16g)

I am only saying that I have been doing this for a very long time and have seen many people spend money build stuff and then bail because they dont realize what it takes to make a 9sec pass is a dsm. and then keep it running.

One of my younger friends asked what I was going to build after my 2g is done. I just laughed and said this will be it. He thought that when I finished this car I was getting out of the game. I said no I will be more than happy if I can keep these two cars going.(my dd mirageturbo and the big build 2g) and stay out of bankruptcy.

I think that there is a magic number somewhere around 600 to just over 650whp that things get very expensive. If you go over these numbers from what I have seen you are going to spend (more often thannot) thousands a year to keep the car going after it is done. I'm building my 2g and have 2 built longblocks and many spare blocks sitting around and I also have a full bore build tre tranny and am sending of a second to shep to get built. This way with backups for everything I am hoping to keep things running. and am planning to rebuild at least 1 motor and 1 trans every year. If nothing breaks.

I guess just know that you arent at the end of a build but the beginning of a long and tortuous road that never ends.

But after all of that remember that Im still going through with my setup too.

enjoy ride;-)

 

[flawlessTSI]

i love this build. keep with the updades.

and on a side note ive used a ebay wastegate's befor on two seperate dsm's they worked great. but one of them the the flange worped due to heat and the valve never seated right after that. my guess is because of the low quality metal used in them. but also it hapend on a 600 mile non stop drive so that was a lot of stress and heat on it. who knows it could of hapend to any other wastegate.

may i ask what head gasket are you going with? O-ringing the block and head?

 

[Slippi84]

Thank you everyone for your good words and I"m glad people like the build I would hope that most do. You will never please everyone but on the same hand I"m not building it to impress anyone.

I can not tell you how fast the old 1g is without bringing up kill stories from the street so if you really wanna know you can PM me but it was fast enough. It was tuned with dsmlink and had every bolt on under the sun and a turbo realistically rated to 60lbs/min even though they say 65.

As for my goals it's simple have a car that I can drive on the street if I want to that run's mid 9's PERIOD. I have no true hp goals I have no intention of doing anything like autox or whatever just driv on the street and run mid 9's. I am more than ready to take on keeping a car like this running even when stuff breaks. Trust me it is more expensive to build one than it is to maintain, but it takes a WHOLE LOT more determination to stick with the build after it breaks. That was my problem back with the car in the picture that's why I can't tell you exactly how fast it was. This time is much different and I have a lot more know how and experience under my belt. A lot of people keep going hurry up and get her running wether in jest or seriously but my patience is what will make the car last. Good example I could have won a set of crower old school HD rods off ebay a month back for less than 400 and had a set of rods to finish my build, BUT I told myself I"m going with aluminum rods and they have to be setup for a 22mm wrist pin so I passed and I will likely spend 2-300 more than that when it's time. That is just one instance. It has been like that for almost every part so far. But like I said I will DEF stick it out this time around.

 

[jjrock5]

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Thought I would put this to kinda nip another tial debate.

Can you tell me where you bought the bov and how much it was? Ive been contemplating the knockoffs for a while but never got around to it since my new GSX came with a SSQV.

 

[Slippi84]

I got it off ebay for $90 shipped. you kinda have to get lucky because most of the time they are atotaly different looking bov not a true tial replica. Like they sell a lot of 51mm bovs that have this little slot to vent instead of the whole center section. I would not pay more than 100 shipped for a knock off.

 

[jjrock5]

Ive been looking at this one for a while, seems legit and at least they recognize theyre a knockoff. haha

Tial Style BOV Flange

 

[dsm-onster]

Not a bov, but my knockoff tial 38mm gate is awesome. Other than the spring being the 7psi spring. It's great. The real tial springs swap to it. The real tial diphragm can swap to it, if I ever have a problem with it. But been over a year with no issue. The valve always works, no sticking even after 20+ pulls to get the tune right, I'm very methodical with my tuning. Stainless steel parts, not potmatal. Metal is SO cheap these days. Get scrap prices for your car and see for your self.

Valves arn't turbos guys. If you have a basic machine shop you can make your own for pennies.

It's not like Sean can't run at the track the next week with a better valve if this one doesn't work. Come on. Don't you guys run more than one glory run. And dont you ALL experiment. Or do you all cookie cut what someone else has. . . How many times do you plan on going to a track to get the build right? Who care's if you use somethign less expensive? You have more runs. . . You have all the oppotunity in the world to see if it works. His motor is built with strong parts. He's not risking it to make 9s. A 650whp car can make 9s consistantly with the right prep and drivetrain. And he'll have a strong transmission/drivetrain and no weight to keep the drivetrain costs down for the runs.

After all, it's not like he's going to blow up his motor because his BOV did function properly. . . It's not a wastegate

Since when does an unorganized engine bay not merit a fast car? that bay has a good intake pipe, decent shot to the tb, decent piping apparantly, and decent intake manifold. IF the BOV didn't hold boost then ok. Another one and that engine bay can easily do 10s. That's a healthy turbo on there. IF there's things you cant see like ecmlink or better, big enough intercooler, good fuel, proper cams, proper turbine housing size; what unorganization there makes the car suddenly slow The only thing that give it away as an 11second car vs. a 10second car is the internal gate. . .

 

[jjrock5]

^ I see knockoffs all the time and there are always some that look a bit more different than the next knock off. Do you have a link to the one you have Matt? I know a few ppl that say theirs is horrible and others say theirs is as good as the real.

 

[jjrock5]

After all, it's not like he's going to blow up his motor because his BOV did function properly. . . It's not a wastegate

Um Im not trying to knock on you or Slippi but havent the past few pages been on trying to convince the guy to NOT use a cheapo wastegate??

 

[dsm-onster]

The boombop shop is the company that sells the one I bought. Mine works good. Perfect actually. It held 5-7psi fine with aq bolton housing and a big compressor, no creep. It also has held 30psi flawlessly, 49lb/min.

Those that have had ebay gate failures (not opening up) bought one, didn't open it up and look at it, but installed it, and ran their car hard Makes no sense. Ask around find ones that work. After you purchase, you can see the material in person. You can check everything out. Who wouldn't open the there TiAL gate they paid over twice for especially for their 10second build? It's not like tial springs havn't failed and lodged in the gate and resulted in an overboost. . .

As well, things change rapidly products change all the time. Once failing ebay brands mean nothing 3 years later. No one has any experience with Seans product. They have experience with some other company, some years ago. . .

Other guys in other platforms have had great success with ebay gates. It's not like they arn't proven to work. The modern dsmer however is stuck on the 'fast with class' issue. Is my 48-50lb/min less than another's, as every day my wife drove my DSM to work becasue it was the backup vehicle. This gate has been more reliable than the MHI internal gate on my 14b. . . Which Mr. Peepers had to fix before he modified it.

 

[Slippi84]

Ive been looking at this one for a while, seems legit and at least they recognize theyre a knockoff. haha

Tial Style BOV Flange

DAM!!! I forgot they were selling them too. That's actually cheaper than mine too . That site makes great products for cheap too. Plenty of people run their water to air IC's. Oh well. Anyway that is pretty much what mine looks like. I would def go for it better than $250 for a name

 

[dsm-onster]

Amen, it's not fluid dynamics. It's a valve, spring, and diaphragm.

I think some of the deep -seated issues with some ebay products is that one paid so much less than aonother and 'that's not fair '. Many are trying to lagitamize their expensive purchase, though having very little basis for their assumption (issues that are from years ago, and not talking with those that have tried and had success). It's not like bay intercoolers havn't gone 10s, or ebay o2 housings, or ebay exhaust manifolds. and it's not like some of the basic products are so complicated that they can't be remanufactured. Don't buy ebay turbos. . . that's a different relm. That's like buying an ebay fuel controller

 

[Slippi84]

Amen, it's not fluid dynamics. It's a valve, spring, and diaphragm.

I think some of the deep -seated issues with some ebay products is that one paid so much less than aonother and 'that's not fair '. Many are trying to lagitimize their expensive purchase. It's not like bay intercoolers havn't gone 10s, or ebay o2 housings, or ebay exhaust manifolds. and it's not like some of the basic products are so complicated that they can't be remanufactured. Don't buy ebay turbos. . . that's a different relm. That's like buying an ebay fuel controller

I pray they never make such a thing that could end a whole generation of cars.....but then again if they put it fits b16's we could be done with the honda ricers for good j/k


Anyway back to the build....

 

[jjrock5]

The boombop shop is the company that sells the one I bought. Mine works good. Perfect actually. It held 5-7psi fine with aq bolton housing and a big compressor, no creep. It also has held 30psi flawlessly, 49lb/min.

Just checked out their site and found no wastegates, maybe I looked in the wrong place?

The Boombop Shop - Aftermarket Performance Parts

 

[dsm-onster]

They don't sell wastegates all the time. I don't understand why. They probably sell out and wait for a new batch to be made

EDIT: here you go. Look in their ebay store: click. Even has the flanges.

Sorry Sean to get off track a bit . You know me. My soap boax has an escalator to it, it's tall and easy to lead to.

 

[jjrock5]

I believe we're right on track as his build has been dealing with the performance of non-brand name products. Thanks Sean and Matt.

 

[2slow4utsi]

Trigger Disc

Only applicable for AEM EMS or no?

 

[dsm-onster]

I believe we're right on track as his build has been dealing with the performance of non-brand name products. Thanks Sean and Matt.

Yea it's "No compromise" to the 9.99 pass. He is not settling with not getting there. But that doesn't mean he can't compromise to see that. Trial and error is a part of every single digit build.

 

[Slippi84]

Yea it's "No compromise" to the 9.99 pass. He is not settling with not getting there. But that doesn't mean he can't compromise to see that. Trial and error is a part of every single digit build.

Lol I hear ya man I'm the same way.

 

[jjrock5]

Yea it's "No compromise" to the 9.99 pass. He is not settling with not getting there. But that doesn't mean he can't compromise to see that. Trial and error is a part of every single digit build.

What if he gets 10.0000000001? Will he compromise then?

 

[Slippi84]

What if he gets 10.0000000001? Will he compromise then?

Actually it's the opposite. If you hit a wall and can't get over the hump you have to suck it up and thing syou might have compromised on or didn't go all out on(which should be anything consdiering....I'm not compromising along the way) you have to go and redue and spend the extrain coin to get over the hump.

 

[dsm-onster]

Or just shift a little faster. . . Seat time

 

[Slippi84]

Or just shift a little faster. . . Seat time

I was assuming that you were at the outer limits of your driving ability already, but yeah easiest way to make a car go faster is always tighten the nut behind the wheel.

 

[bluegs03]

just be careful that nut doesnt snap!

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[Slippi84]

just be careful that nut doesnt snap!

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