pictures- Buschur 3" downpipe- missing something?

[silicosys4]

here are pictures of my 1g awd 3" Buschur downpipe for dsm. Keep in mind that this downpipe is among the most expensive for dsm's at $309 shipped. The description of the downpipe on buschurs website said " stainless steel with flex" there were no pictures of the downpipe on here or anywhere else i could find for the 1g, so here it is, tell me what you think, if you have a 3" downpipe by buschur for the 1g awd, am i missing something? anyways, others with the same part, how did it work for you, and am i going to have an issue fitment wise because of the lack of flex piping? thanks

 

[91stocker]

A pipe is a pipe. Just dont pay alot for it. Same applies to intake pipes.

 

[3kgt2nv]

The reasons most companies don't make "high quality" down pipes is because you cant screw up a pipe the ebay and cheaper brands will function the same as the expensive ones.

What is so bad about running an ebay down pipe over something from a custom fabricator? the ebay down pipes have been proven 1000 times over on almost every car forum to perform.

If you are looking to run a "name brand" just to say you have it that's one thing

But most custom shops have learned that a 400 dollar high quality down pipe will not sell when there is a 100 ebay option that does the same thing.

 

[silicosys4]

Just buy the cheapo ebay DP and call it a day.

The reasons most companies don't make "high quality" down pipes is because you cant screw up a pipe the ebay and cheaper brands will function the same as the expensive ones.

What is so bad about running an ebay down pipe over something from a custom fabricator? the ebay down pipes have been proven 1000 times over on almost every car forum to perform.

If you are looking to run a "name brand" just to say you have it that's one thing

But most custom shops have learned that a 400 dollar high quality down pipe will not sell when there is a 100 ebay option that does the same thing.[/QUOTE


K, thats fine for you, i am in a different headspace than you. Ask Shepherd how long he was cool with running an ebay dp on his drag car.
Ask AMS what dp they are running on their drag and time attack evo's and i'm sure they won't say Megan, even though they carry them.

the notorious cheapness of dsm'rs, and the unwillingness to pay for quality manufactured and researched (expensive) parts has killed alot of R&D and product lines on the part of manufacturers. Sucks for choices, as i'm finding out.
your approach is one way, mine is another. If you can't help me with my approach, thanks, but i'm not interested in chinese parts, even if they do work awesome. I don't support forced child labor, human/civil rights violations, and the deportation of jobs, etc. etc. do what you want., maybe wal-mart will start carrying downpipes.


By the way, does anyone know of a 3" downpipe for the 1g awd dsm that isn't made in china, that doesn't have multiple threads devoted to how much it sucks/cracks/doesn't fit, is stainless steel, mandrel bent, and hopefully is made in the USA? i'd saymade in japan also, but unfortunately who knows what the shipping scene is going to be out of tokyo for a while.


lowered head for my JDM brethren

 

[91stocker]

lowered head for my JDM brethren

Downpipes dont and cant fail. Again a pipe is a pipe. A $400 dp is going to net the same gain as the ebay $99 special.

 

[1cleanreddsm]

91stocker has a point, a pipe is a pipe. A downpipe only has 2 flange weld onto to it, unless you have a O2 sensor on it, meaning less cracking but regardless, It's very little welding. As long as its SS and mandrel bent, quality doesn't matter. If precision is accounted for, such as a turbo, then that's when price really matters.

To OP, it's a lose lose situation for you, make the best of it and move on. Your threads are sure to make dsm'r weary of Buschur products from now on.

Besides, to question you OP, how did you EVER planned to weld the other end of the downpipe (cat side) with no skilled welder anywhere close by!? One that will weld to your liking. That defeats the whole purpose of buying that DP in the first place.

 

[silicosys4]

Downpipes dont and cant fail. Again a pipe is a pipe. A $400 dp is going to net the same gain as the ebay $99 special.

is that what you are bringing to the table? get real.
are you concerned with longevity at all? buying a second chinese dp because the first one cracked makes no economic sense, when i could have done it right from the beginning. not to mention the day i'd spend putting it on. I don't know about you but i have better things to do on my day off than put on replacement chinese dp's
does the fact that young children and underpriveleged people are horribly taken advantage of in china in order to make your sweet cheap-ass dp?
Downpipes do, and have failed. Downpipes from Michigan are a lot more beat on than downpipes from Arizona.

Get real.

A $99 ebay special, barely researched, is not going to be the same part that a good DP is.

Once i get my SWEEEEEET new $99 dp, i'd better hope that it fits right, given the 20 minutes or so of research the manufacturer did on fitment, different models, etc.

Uh oh, it doesn't... where do i have to send it back again? CHINA?!? theres $alot of shipping.

Oh god sooo lucky they actually wrote/called back and said they would make the exchange/refund....

three months later you have a refund, a new downpipe (here we go again) or a perfectly working chinese downpipe that children made for pennies an hour.



FOR EVERYONE ARGUING CHEAP CHINESE EBAY DOWNPIPES. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THIS IS NOT THE THREAD.
I AM LOOKING FOR A HIGH QUALITY DP.

NO CHINESE, DONT WANT TO SUPPORT THAT

 

[3kgt2nv]

Ask AMS what dp they are running on their drag and time attack evo's and i'm sure they won't say Megan, even though they carry them.

your comparing apples to oranges again. if you looking to dump 50 grand into your car to put it anywhere near the same class as shep or ams then you need to go spend some money on a tig welder and do it your self.

Do I think they ran a megan down pipe. no THEY MADE IT THEMSELVES.

If your going to compare yourself to them than you should have posted a thread about building a car not ordering a down pipe and not being happy because of the quality. I understand you did it to steer people away from making the same mistake but honestly I doubt that would happen because most dsmers are going to go on ebay and buy a cheap quality product that works and is inexpensive.

As far as the whole not supporting child labor and all that, you have no clue who I am or how I spend my money or decide what I buy. I probably spend and invest more money in a few months in American made products and companies than you make in a year. I run a side business making and selling products and I always support American and local companies.

But since you feel i run and buy cheap shit to save a nickle I have to laugh at you. I will go out and buy the tools and make it myself and then help others to do the same, Not because of any reason other than to help owners and other enthusiast.

 

[Jiggalude]

because its mandrel bent stainless steel. I doubt a local shop could get the stainless for 30 bucks

Local shops bend the pipe themselves. Quality work and cheaper prices are what bring people back, which keeps them in business. So yea, most shops can do it a hell of a lot cheaper. The only thing is you have to go to the shop and tell them what you want.

 

[housegsx]

Once i get my SWEEEEEET new $99 dp, i'd better hope that it fits right,

Like your Buschur DP?

oh, it doesn't... where do i have to send it back again? CHINA?!? theres $alot of shipping.

three months later you have a refund, a new downpipe (here we go again) or a perfectly working chinese downpipe that children made for pennies an hour

What's the hangup with with made in the US? You were originally looking at an Apexi. And Megan is based out of California I do believe.

 

[3kgt2nv]

is that what you are bringing to the table? get real. Downpipes do, and have failed. Downpipes from Michigan are a lot more beat on than downpipes from Arizona.

so what your saying is in a state that sees rain and greatly varying weather conditions is causing parts to fail vs Arizona where its hot and dry?

So i guess BMW's are shitty because they rust faster in new york than in Arizona?

Its obvious your just looking to spend money to say you got x part. just do it and make another thread showing off your sweet new part.

Im sure if you called and asked jmf to make you a down pipe they would. and when they tell you 500 plus shipping your going to say no thanks.

I can make a jig from my exhaust in about 10 minutes and start making more exhausts and guess what they will fit without the research because they were made on a jig with a good fitting part.

Local shops bend the pipe themselves. Quality work and cheaper prices are what bring people back, which keeps them in business. So yea, most shops can do it a hell of a lot cheaper. The only thing is you have to go to the shop and tell them what you want.

I know I was pointing out the fact that $30 bucks will not get you an exhaust from a shop. It would prob be closer to 100-150ish range once labor flanges and the pipe are factored in.

 

[silicosys4]

Besides, to question you OP, how did you EVER planned to weld the other end of the downpipe (cat side) with no skilled welder anywhere close by!? One that will weld to your liking. That defeats the whole purpose of buying that DP in the first place.[/QUOTE]

ever heard of a slip fitting for exhaust? look it up, its pretty ingenious. Dont ask me how i was going to weld it, i was going to do what buschur recommended and buy their exhaust with the slip fittings. and there are plenty of skilled welders nearby, just no-one that i would trust to correctly fabricate a 3" downpipe for a 1g dsm.

 

[91stocker]

Like your Buschur DP?

/thread

 

[3kgt2nv]

just no-one that i would trust to correctly fabricate a 3" downpipe for a 1g dsm.

If they have your car to mock it up on how can they screw it up?

 

[1cleanreddsm]

Local shops bend the pipe themselves. Quality work and cheaper prices are what bring people back, which keeps them in business. So yea, most shops can do it a hell of a lot cheaper. The only thing is you have to go to the shop and tell them what you want.

I must have gotten ripped off big time!!! My local weld shop charged me $50 for a bung welded onto my DP, that surely made me not wanting to go back there again. But then again they do make their prices. And the weld was the ugliest weld I've ever seen, made my bung into a VOLCANO

 

[Jiggalude]

I must have gotten ripped off big time!!! My local weld shop charged me $50 for a bung welded onto my DP, that surely made me not wanting to go back there again. But then again they do make their prices. And the weld was the ugliest weld I've ever seen, made my bung into a VOLCANO

All the places that are near me do superb work for cheap, and they mandrel bend their piping.