pictures- Buschur 3" downpipe- missing something?

[silicosys4]

here are pictures of my 1g awd 3" Buschur downpipe for dsm. Keep in mind that this downpipe is among the most expensive for dsm's at $309 shipped. The description of the downpipe on buschurs website said " stainless steel with flex" there were no pictures of the downpipe on here or anywhere else i could find for the 1g, so here it is, tell me what you think, if you have a 3" downpipe by buschur for the 1g awd, am i missing something? anyways, others with the same part, how did it work for you, and am i going to have an issue fitment wise because of the lack of flex piping? thanks

 

[91stocker]

That thing is garbage, id get a refund asap. After you get your refund make sure to let them know where to stick it as well. You got ripped.

 

[Reefman]

Did you order that from Buschur? It looks like crap and I don't think the godfather of DSM's would send such a crappy piece like that out. I would also send it back, ask for a full refund, and ask WTF?

 

[silicosys4]

For those asking, yes this is a genuine Buschur racing downpipe for the 1g awd dsm. I have called, and spoken with someone, explained that I wasn't satisfied with the piece, and it was not as advertised, and they said "send it back for a refund" no questions, no worries, so great customer service there, but the fact that they didn't ask me how it was not as advertised, why i wasn't satisfied, if i'd even gotten it on my car, it worries me. Now i'm out the three weeks i've waited for it, a weeks shipping it back to them, and i have to wait for the refund to process on my card. Not to mention the $25 in shipping it back to them.

 

[dsmusmc]

That's because its not for an EVO. If you dropped $20k on them you would have good quality parts and not $300 on an out dated pile of junk.



If you know the godfathers attitude to these cars you will understand my sarcasm.

 

[silicosys4]

i posted a thread that was more enlightening as to how i really feel, but since buschur is a vendor i'm apparently not allowed to post negative comments about their products. I think its time for the mods here to rethink how supportive they want to be of David Buschur, and his DSM products.

 

[3kgt2nv]

i posted a thread that was more enlightening as to how i really feel, but since buschur is a vendor i'm apparently not allowed to post negative comments about their products. I think its time for the mods here to rethink how supportive they want to be of David Buschur, and his DSM products.

You werent happy with his product and they offered a refund. I think the overall support of there company outweighs one user who has 7 posts.

Not to sound harsh but for a 12 - 21 year old platform alienating vendors is a really stupid move.

 

[91stocker]

Local exhaust shop could have done that for $30. Lol thats actually worse then the cheap ebay stuff. How could anyone honestly charge over $100 for that.

 

[3kgt2nv]

Local exhaust shop could have done that for $30. Lol thats actually worse then the cheap ebay stuff. How could anyone honestly charge over $100 for that.

because its mandrel bent stainless steel. I doubt a local shop could get the stainless for 30 bucks

 

[silicosys4]

You werent happy with his product and they offered a refund. I think the overall support of there company outweighs one user who has 7 posts.

Not to sound harsh but for a 12 - 21 year old platform alienating vendors is a really stupid move.

I would much rather support a vendor that in turn supports the DSM community. Offering sub-par parts for unreal amounts of money is not supporting the DSM community. I have lost money and time on this deal, and for what i paid that should not have happened. And yes, there is alot of blind support by fanboys of a lot of brands that do not deserve support. I have 7 posts, one of which is pictures of a 3" buschur downpipe. nobody else, not even buschur himself has bothered to post pictures, here or on his website. so if you want to support a product like the one i just recieved for the amount of money i paid, thats your problem.

If i'm wrong, and this is an anomoly, please show me pictures of your 3" Buschur downpipe. If you love him for what he's done with dsm's since the early 90's, fair enough, he's not the godfather for nothing. But don't tell me that its impossible for a manufacturer to become complacent and start offering substandard goods. Dont tell me its acceptable to the dsm community.

"alienating vendors" is not the same as voicing legitimate concerns about their products. Alienating consumers is what happens as a result of these products. Its not up to the dsm'rs to blindly support vendors, its up to dsm'rs to support vendors who CONSISTENTLY and CONTINUOUSLY bring quality products to the table.

 

[91stocker]

because its mandrel bent stainless steel. I doubt a local shop could get the stainless for 30 bucks

You can buy those bends for $20 in 3" stainless...

 

[3kgt2nv]

I would much rather support a vendor that in turn supports the DSM community. Offering sub-par parts for unreal amounts of money is not supporting the DSM community. I have lost money and time on this deal, and for what i paid that should not have happened. And yes, there is alot of blind support by fanboys of a lot of brands that do not deserve support. I have 7 posts, one of which is pictures of a 3" buschur downpipe. nobody else, now even buschur himself has bothered to do that. so if you want to support a product like the one i just recieved for the amount of money i paid, thats your problem.

So why didn't you buy one from one of the vendors that did show what their product looked like. Im not a fan boy, honestly Ive never even looked at their website. I mainly use Map and stm and do my research prior to buying vs buying a product blindly.

As far as being out of money maybe if you weren't so quick to throw a hissy fit and blow everything into a poor me situation you should have explained the issue to them and asked for a call tag to return the item since it was not as advertised.

You can buy those bends for $20 in 3" stainless...

Well in that case you should start making stainless downpipes. You could sell them for $60 dollars and double your money.

I'm not defending them I just think you estimate for a 30 dollar shop made down pipe is ridiculous. A shop isn't going to charge 10 bucks for labor and for 20 all you have is the bends. the one shown is a straight mandrel bent exhaust. A lot smoother flowing than a hack and weld down pipe.

 

[silicosys4]

So why didn't you buy one from one of the vendors that did show what their product looked like. Im not a fan boy, honestly Ive never even looked at their website. I mainly use Map and stm and do my research prior to buying vs buying a product blindly.

As far as being out of money maybe if you weren't so quick to throw a hissy fit and blow everything into a poor me situation you should have explained the issue to them and asked for a call tag to return the item since it was not as advertised.

I have a 1g. not a 2g. that makes a big difference. I went with the Buschur piece because my next choice, the Apexi was not offered in stainless. jm fabs doesn't make one. AMS only sells megan. i heard bad things about punishment racings. I wanted a good quality pipe from a quality domestic manufacturer. where does that leave me, you tell me.

Hissy fit? voicing and explaining my problems in hope that others can avoid the same? explaining why its not "OK" and that i'm not good as new when it comes down to sending it back for a refund? get real. this should have never happened, look at the pics of the dp. this is the kind of thing to expect from a cheap importer. And i'd expect them to behave the same way and offer me a prompt refund.

read the post, i've called them and they have offered a refund, but i'm having to ship it back and that costs money. there was no concern at all about the problem, and no questions were asked about why it was being sent back. i didn't say they don't have prompt customer support, i'm saying i shouldn't have to be sending it back, and they don't seem concerned at all that it is unsatisfactory, and wrong.

 

[91stocker]

Well in that case you should start making stainless downpipes. You could sell them for $60 dollars and double your money.

Damn maybe i should. I'll weld a flange on this and sell it for $320

3" - 45 & 180 - 409 Stainless Mandrel Bend Pipe Tubing - eBay (item 140521192179 end time Mar-14-11 16:09:05 PDT)

Looks pretty close to the op's pc.

 

[3kgt2nv]

Pacesetter Downpipe 89-94 AWD w/stock turbo - Modern Automotive Performance

30 second search and since its over 99 bucks its free shipping.

Pace setter is made in the usa.

Damn maybe i should. I'll weld a flange on this and sell it for $320

3" - 45 & 180 - 409 Stainless Mandrel Bend Pipe Tubing - eBay (item 140521192179 end time Mar-14-11 16:09:05 PDT)

Looks pretty close to the op's pc.

yeap you nailed it. Now all you have to do is buy a mandrel bender to get the zig zag in it and your golden.

 

[silicosys4]

Pacesetter Downpipe 89-94 AWD w/stock turbo - Modern Automotive Performance

30 second search and since its over 99 bucks its free shipping

hmm....I'd most definately be leery of buying something that says pacesetter on it.....but its 304 stainless, anybody run this on their car?

 

[3kgt2nv]

I wanted a good quality pipe from a quality domestic manufacturer. where does that leave me, you tell me.

this is what you said you wanted. Pace setter is a domestic company and map sells their product for a 1g. I thought that was an option you couldnt find. Also RRE sells a ss exhaust for a 1g. they too are a domestic manufacturer and a both happen to be supporting vendors.

i too can find low price downpipes. thats not necassarily what i'm looking for

So what are you looking for?

I think you may need to do a little more research next time

I have a 1g. not a 2g. that makes a big difference. I went with the Buschur piece because my next choice, the Apexi was not offered in stainless

http://www.maperformance.com/apexi-n1-downpipe-1g-dsm-awd-147-km03-147-km03.html

to quote the description

The A'PEXi Down Pipe is the pipe on turbo vehicles that connects the turbine exhaust housing to the catalytic converter. Although short in length, the A'PEXi downpipes provide incredible amounts of power because the piping diameter is enlarged so early on the exhaust system. This enlargement in diameter results in a dramatic increase in exhaust flow capacity as well as a significant reduction of back pressure. The GT spec Down Pipes are constructed of fully polished SUS 304 stainless steel.

 

[silicosys4]

this is what you said you wanted. Pace setter is a domestic company and map sells their product for a 1g. I thought that was an option you couldnt find. Also RRE sells a ss exhaust for a 1g. they too are a domestic manufacturer and a both happen to be supporting vendors.



So what are you looking for?

a full 3", not 2 1/2" till after the flex pipe like RRE's
Awesome welds, without oxidization. High quality Materials. A level of worksmanship and craftsmanship that justifies the price. No fitment issues. Testimony from other users regarding its fitment and longevity. you seem to think i'm crazy or something for wanting a GOOD downpipe vs. one that appears ready to fall apart out ot the box.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...-turbo-manifold-any-good-no-merged-5-8-a.html

pacesetter- enough said

 

[onefast2gdsm]

Wow my 135 dollar 3" eBay catback looks better welded and better quality over that downpipe..

 

[3kgt2nv]

For 300+ shipped you should have just had one made if you want the worlds best down pipe. I have the apexi and guess what mines stainless steel. I think you should check out the link to map I posted in my last post.



Buying something expensive doesnt mean its not going to fall apart fast.

[RESOLVED] pacesetter turbo manifold any good? (No.) [Merged 5-8]

please research what you are recommending before you recommend it.

Didn't realize tubular headers and a down pipe were the same thing. Oh yea and all tubular headers are prone to cracking.

please research what you are recommending before you recommend it.

Try to compare apples to apples at least

 

[silicosys4]

Quote :Buying something expensive doesnt mean its not going to fall apart fast.

its generally accepted to be the best preventative measure, along with fact checking. Buying a replacement cheap part for the one that broke instead of doing it right the first time doesn't make much economical sense either, not to mention the customer service usually sucks alot more. Are you making the argument to buy a pacesetter downpipe, or that i should not pay over what you did for your downpipe? or that if i do it is just as likely to crack or perform poorly as a megan, ssautochrome, or pacesetter dp? i'm confused, the attitude presented here is 90 degrees from the racing/performance community in general. Buy quality, make sure you get quality. don't cut corners. I'm looking for the highest quality downpipe, period. You aren't making much sense by trying to make me look bad for buying and insisting on quality parts.

and i do want a nice, custom downpipe made for me. I however, do not live within a reasonable distance of a quality fabricator. not everyone does.

 

[3kgt2nv]

After I reread the link I sent you I can see where I got confused since they say in the description that the gt spec is the ss one. I guess mine is older and they have since discontinued it. The previous owner put it on the car a few years back. It might also be because he bought it as a full exhaust. If that's the case I would return the downpipe and go find a local shop and have them make the down pipe for you.

If you order the materials you want and bring it to them the will custom fit and weld if for less than 150 and you should have no issues with it.

And as far as longevity goes its usually the flex sections that crap out first on a ss exhaust

To be honest though a pipe is a pipe. As long as its mandrel bent 3" it should be fine. Thats why so many people go to ebay for them. Its hard to mess up a pipe.

its generally accepted to be the best preventative measure, along with fact checking. Are you making the argument to buy a pacesetter downpipe, or that i should not pay over what you did for your downpipe? or that if i do it is just as likely to crack or perform poorly as a megan, ssautochrome, or pacesetter dp? i'm confused

and i do want a nice, custom downpipe made for me. I however, do not live within a reasonable distance of a quality fabricator. not everyone does.

the cracking issue that was discussed was for a header not a down pipe. Exhausts really dont have that many issues. other than what they are made out of.

As far as what you get I could care less and what I paid and what I recommend shouldn't make a difference. This whole conversation was about how there is no options.

As far as living near a quality fabricator an exhaust shop or garage will most likely have someone that welds that can produce a consistent bead with a tig welder to weld a flange and flex section on.

 

[silicosys4]

Didn't realize tubular headers and a down pipe were the same thing. Oh yea and all tubular headers are prone to cracking.



Try to compare apples to apples at least[/QUOTE]


the attitudes towards the products are indeed the same. if their headers are crap, odds are their dp's are too. does this make sense to you? a company that makes many crappy products most likely does not devote much effort towards making specifically dsm downpipes awesome, and if you actually read the thread, the bulk of the discussion is oriented toward their downpipes, which are almost universally panned by anyone in the thread who has had experience with one. again, you are missing the entire point of my post.

 

[91stocker]

Just buy the cheapo ebay DP and call it a day.

 

[silicosys4]

Quote:
As far as living near a quality fabricator an exhaust shop or garage will most likely have someone that welds that can produce a consistent bead with a tig welder to weld a flange and flex section on.

Why should i have to pay for that? i ordered one with a flex section. it was ordered that way. it was supposed to come that way...am i getting through to you here? besides the fact that it came wrong, its not a quality piece to begin with.

again, you are so missing my point here its sad. let me state again,

REGARDLESS of price, be it a high price or a low one, i am looking for the best researched and built 1g awd dsm on the market. a downpipe put together by someone who can kind of weld and who works in an exhaust shop doesn't work for me, and having my very expensive improperly manufactured downpipe modified to even work is bs. Then i'd have a super jenk-built $400 downpipe that i had to modify.

and no the thread was not originally about my lack of options, it was about how poorly executed my original option was by the manufacturer, and to post pictures that were previously unavailable on either the manufacturer website or in the forum. if i had seen these pictures before i had bought the dp, i would not have bought it, and saved myself a lot of trouble and money. i'm hoping maybe these pics and this post will save someone else the same trouble, and showcase the actual recieved products from a vendor.