obx FMIC kit

[nazthug]

ok, what happened to this company?

Since when does obx turn around from making rice parts to making LSD's, cams, manifolds, headers and NOW intercoolers, which are btw, EXACT replicas of APEXi????

I mean its almost as if they literally, take a product, CLONE it, and sell it for 1/3 the price

The products look nice, but WTF???

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how can you possibly do this? At these prices? Legally????

 

[Dsmboost4g63]

Unless I missed something, that kit doesnt seem like it comes with a flange for the BOV :thumbdown . Not that hard to make one but it would be nice if it came with one.....am i missing something?

 

[miteclgst]

600+ RWHP has been made on the generic OBX intercooler off of ebay. For 275 bucks I find it hard to beat.

Don't take this personally but I just don't understand this site and the way people quote possible hp ratings as proof as to a products quality. CFM ratings, pressure drop, efficiency numbers, these are the only things that will prove if the part is quality or not. These hp numbers don't take any conditions into account. All the manufactures of these products say is that "a car equiped with this intercooler made 600 rwhp" never account for the fact that the car is running a 200 hp shot of nitrous and a spray bar.
Quality of materials, design, and manufacturing will be sacrificed to make a less expensive product. MIG welds are substituted for TIG welds. Chrome parts receive only a copper then chrome treatment instead of the longer lasting copper, nickel, chrome treatment. Manufacturing tolerances are less stringent. Just realize that you get what you pay for, people say you pay for a "name"; while this is true, you don't pay for the sticker, you pay for the quality that the company established through it's past sales. Research and Development costs are deferred to the final price.

 

[boostyGST]

Unless I missed something, that kit doesnt seem like it comes with a flange for the BOV :thumbdown . Not that hard to make one but it would be nice if it came with one.....am i missing something?

It does not come with any area for a BOV .come on for real ...... anything at all !!!!!!!

I was seriously thinkin about gettin one to........shiat!!

 

[DSMSpyder99]

I would probably buy the core. I mean for $500 it is a pretty good deal i mean it has to be much better than stock. If someone is only running a mild setup like a T28 or 16G i think the Core size which is 20.0 x 9.0 x 2.5 inch should be able to cool down the hot air from these turbos.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

if it is a true copy of an Apexi it doesnt come with it because the pipes it includes are piping to the UICP and piping to connect to the turbo. THis is what the real Apexi and Greddy I/C come with. THat is why both companies also sell kit for UICP


DOES ANYONE BODY HAVE THE ACTUAL 2G 95-99 OBX IC ON THERE CAR IF SO PLEASE CHIME IN. BECAUSE I REALLY DONT WANT TO BUY a $850 GREDDY FMIC

It does not come with any area for a BOV .come on for real ...... anything at all !!!!!!!

I was seriously thinkin about gettin one to........shiat!!

 

[boostyGST]

if it is a true copy of an Apexi it doesnt come with it because the pipes it includes are piping to the UICP and piping to connect to the turbo. THis is what the real Apexi and Greddy I/C come with. THat is why both companies also sell kit for UICP


DOES ANYONE BODY HAVE THE ACTUAL 2G 95-99 OBX IC ON THERE CAR IF SO PLEASE CHIME IN. BECAUSE I REALLY DONT WANT TO BUY a $850 GREDDY FMIC

I dont really understand what you mean, you mean you have to buy the UICP seperate ........ there has to be someone who has the kit......even though I just contcted Dave of OBX and he said it was brand new on the market......who knows.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

yes exactly Apexi and Greddy have never include the UICP you must buy it seperatley.

APEXI UICP

APEXI FMIC W/ PIPING TO CONNECT TO LICP AND UICP

Also i found out the core size of the Apexi core : 225mm x 500mm x 60mm if i did my conversion right that is 10" x 19.7" x 2.36" and the OBX core is 9.0 x 20.0 x 2.5

I dont really understand what you mean, you mean you have to buy the UICP seperate ........ there has to be someone who has the kit......even though I just contcted Dave of OBX and he said it was brand new on the market......who knows.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

looks like no one here wants to be the first one to get burn.... i mean but this intercooler. Folks i would bet $100 with anyone that buys this thing and does a flow test against the Apex. I garuntee the core will not be as effecient. I'd rather stick with a good sidemount if i am on a 16g or t25/28.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

Even if it doesnt flow as much or isnt as effcient it is still $500 compared to Apexi $850, Greddy $825, AGP $1000, SBR $1000. Maybe vendors (like yourself) should take note that many DSMers dont want to spend this much money on a FMIC and should start thinking about BUDGET FMIC < $600. THe laws of supply and demand you should know this more than anyone

looks like no one here wants to be the first one to get burn.... i mean but this intercooler. Folks i would bet $100 with anyone that buys this thing and does a flow test against the Apex. I garuntee the core will not be as effecient. I'd rather stick with a good sidemount if i am on a 16g or t25/28.

 

[carwizard1]

I have the OBX 24x12x3 intercooler and made my own pipes. For $285 shipped I can't complain. The quality was better than I was expecting. I recommend you guys pick one up it's been great, no problems for 9 months now. I pressure tested mine to 30 psi and no leaks. The welds were solid and look professional. I don't know why some of you guys bash OBX for copying other products when most companies do. They just make their own version. It's not really fair but it happens all the time. Bashing isn't going to make it stop. Personally I'm not to thrilled that companies charge so much for stuff that doesn't cost that much to make. OBX sell their stuff at a price we can all afford and a quality most can accept. So what's the big deal. Anyway I think the intercooler is great for what it is, tubes, fins, and end tanks.

 

[miteclgst]

All of these ramblings like; well it only costs them $300 in parts and $100 in labor so why charge $700 for the part is just dumb. You go out there and spend thousands of hours designing, testing, and fabricating a part. Who pays for these hours? Does the employee do it in good faith to furthur the company? No the employee gets paid. So where does the money come to pay him/her? From profits made on the products.
Here is a prime example: Automotive paint manufacturers have technicians who spend thousands of hours creating color formulas to match paints made by manufacturers. Because of this you can go to 3 different shops, have your car painted with 3 different paint lines and they will match the original paint. How does the company recoup these costs? A gallon of clear will cost about $30 to make with materials and labor. THat same gallon sells retail for $100. That $70 profit in part goes to the retailer and the rest goes to paying for the companys R&D on new colors as well as new lines and also goes to keeping to doors open. If companies sold parts that they designed for a small profit over cost they will surely go out of business.
People don't like OBX because they are taking parts that companies have already developed them, they make carbon copies of them, sell them under their own name for a fraction of the price. This drives the company that actually engineered the product out of the market. This sort of competition keeps you from spending $90 on a 60W light bulb. But then GE and Westinghouse are taking the same idea and implementing them in different ways. GE isn't taking a Westinghouse Light and producing a carbon copy as OBX is doing.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

OK lets try to keep this on topic and away from light bulbs

Well so far we have carwizard1 saying his OBX IC is well made. In addition, he also said that it was able to hold 30PSI and costed less than $300. Does anyone else have experience with OBX IC?

All of these ramblings like; well it only costs them $300 in parts and $100 in labor so why charge $700 for the part is just dumb. You go out there and spend thousands of hours designing, testing, and fabricating a part. Who pays for these hours? Does the employee do it in good faith to furthur the company? No the employee gets paid. So where does the money come to pay him/her? From profits made on the products.
Here is a prime example: Automotive paint manufacturers have technicians who spend thousands of hours creating color formulas to match paints made by manufacturers. Because of this you can go to 3 different shops, have your car painted with 3 different paint lines and they will match the original paint. How does the company recoup these costs? A gallon of clear will cost about $30 to make with materials and labor. THat same gallon sells retail for $100. That $70 profit in part goes to the retailer and the rest goes to paying for the companys R&D on new colors as well as new lines and also goes to keeping to doors open. If companies sold parts that they designed for a small profit over cost they will surely go out of business.
People don't like OBX because they are taking parts that companies have already developed them, they make carbon copies of them, sell them under their own name for a fraction of the price. This drives the company that actually engineered the product out of the market. This sort of competition keeps you from spending $90 on a 60W light bulb. But then GE and Westinghouse are taking the same idea and implementing them in different ways. GE isn't taking a Westinghouse Light and producing a carbon copy as OBX is doing.

 

[miteclgst]

sorry, it was a simple example.. I do apoligize if my light bulb analogy steered this thread too far off course.. you better close the thread because I'm sure there will be no way of getting back on topic

 

[blackGSX2g]

But comapnies like Apexi and GReddy have had the same IC designs for awhile. The reason they have patent protection for a set period of time is to re-coup R&D losses. They can charge a high price for that patented period because they have no competition. Once that period is up, the patent becomes public and competitors enter the market. I agree that they should be able to make up for all the R&D that was needed to produce the intercooler, but once that is made up they should remain competitive. Charging 4x what OBX isn't the right way to do this.

Back on topic...my buddy got one of the narrow OBX intercoolers for his turbo Civic project and I was very suprised by the build quality. I would have no problem buying one of the OBX intercoolers and making my own piping. The only drawback to OBX is that I haven't seen any flow figures or efficiency figures for any of them. If someone has the equipment to test them, it would better settle this arguement.

 

[rjgeier]

You guys are some serious cheap ####s. If you want to go fast get a real core (sparco, garrett, bell, etc.) or buy a real kit, (SB, Buschur, AMS, AGP).

It costs money to go fast.

 

[v8killerr1]

i have a friend with an evo with the obx core and its doing an excellent job of cooling. I went to the track with him a month or so ago and he ran a 12.3. His best prior to that was a 12.8. The only modifications he made since his prior best was a hks bov and the obx intercooler.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

glad to see there are plenty of people here staying civil. I've been getting crazy PM's and stuff about people saying that a Vendor shouldn't be saying anything but hell i was building DSM's way before i had a business and i am a Tuner first.

R&D is the foundation of quality.

I see that even most people that have said these products are "ok" have said "they should be ok", when was the last time you spent $500 on anything you thought should be "ok"

when was the last time you bought a product from us, SBR, AGP, FP etc.... and said "damn i hope this doesnt suck"

and lets not forget that most of the DSM specific parts that we vendors sell are made here in the good old

USA!

just food for thought folks, and again just my opinion.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

dsmSPYDER99 - get back in touch with me in about a month. about the PM you sent..... It's something we started about a month ago.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

I personally wouldn't touch ANYTHING that OBX makes except for maybe their ebay special rear strut tower bars.

If anyone has a 2g and is looking for a nice bolt on spearco FMIC, check out this ad:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=13317&sort=1&cat=7&page=1

 

[boostyGST]

I PROCLAM THAT I HAVE DECIDED TO BUY THE OBX KIT FOR MY CAR .YEEEEEEEHAAAAAA!!!! I AM GOING TO BE A REBEL AND GO FOR IT, !!!!

When it comes down to it, get what you can afford and screw what everyone else thinks, i mean after all it is YOUR car........!!!


Oh yea, who makes UICP cheap with HKS SSQV flange, anyone know the size of the OBX pipes.

thks

I have a 96 GST

 

[drk mrk iv]

when was the last time you bought a product from us, SBR, AGP, FP etc.... and said "damn i hope this doesnt suck"

The last time I bought an I/C pipe from SBR.

I am also seriously thinking about getting an I/C from OBX because a fellow DSMtuner thought it would be funny to rip me off.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

because a fellow DSMtuner thought it would be funny to rip me off.

damn that sux man. sorry to hear it.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

I PROCLAM THAT I HAVE DECIDED TO BUY THE OBX KIT FOR MY CAR .YEEEEEEEHAAAAAA!!!! I AM GOING TO BE A REBEL AND GO FOR IT, !!!!

When it comes down to it, get what you can afford and screw what everyone else thinks, i mean after all it is YOUR car........!!!


Oh yea, who makes UICP cheap with HKS SSQV flange, anyone know the size of the OBX pipes.

thks

I have a 96 GST

Why waste the money on something that there are no numbers for? Just doesn't make sense. Why not buy something proven to work and is not a direct rip off of another company?

 

[Denji]

People are stepping up to pick the obx up, stop complaining about the lack of numbers, they will come once a few people get ahold of this thing. By the looks of it i'd say pretty darn soon. Actually, as a matter of fact, i was truly considering getting one, and i havent decided against it, lets face it, sometimes people just charge too much, this is where competition comes in to regulate. It would be nice to have more competition in the car parts market. Either way, i only want to run a mid 13, i think with the a t-28 turbo the obx intercooler has gotta be better than a performance sidemount, which may i add also cost in the realm of 500 bucks, and it will look better.

 

[98turbo]

Does anyone have any info or opinions on an OBX fmic?