Need help with clutch installation

[Pozobyt]

okay I'm doing an a/t to m/t conversion in my 99 n/a. and I've gotten to the point to install the new clutch and transmission. I ordered a clutch kit from autozone. and the pressure plate, clutch disk, ect all came assembled.

my question is, the hole where the clutch slides onto the transmission is not centered in the pressure plate.(i'm not good on terminoligy, I don't know much about manual transmissions) Is this supposed to be centered?

Also, when I install the clutch, do I bolt it to the flywheel first, then install the transmission, or do I put the clutch in the transmission and install it all at one time, like I would with the torque converter in an automatic.

 

[Indian]

You bolt and torque the flywheel down first,put the disk and pressure plate on together using the spline tool you got with the clutch kit. This centers the disk so you dont misalign the disk. Leave it in while you bolt and torque down the pressure plate, and then pull the splined tool out. You can now bolt the transmission up to the block.

I dont know if you got the plastic clutch tool with your kit,but you should have. Some people can align the disk without it,but its better to just use the tool.

 

[white92talontsi]

Use the supplied line up tool. Put the tool in the splines of the clutch.
Slide the tool with the clutch into the pilot bearing.
Put the pressure plate over the clutch and the tool. Slowly and while criss crossin start to tighten the pressure plate bolts until all are tight while making sure the alignment tool is easily able to slip in and out.

Install trans.

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[Indian]

Use the supplied line up tool. Put the tool in the splines of the clutch.
Slide the tool with the clutch into the pilot bearing.

For future reference,our cars dont have pilot bearings.

 

[white92talontsi]

For future reference,our cars dont have pilot bearings.

Pilot bearing or not its going in the same place


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[Pozobyt]

Yeah, I didn't get an allignment tool with the kit. I'm told a wooden broom handle of the same diameter works though?

Also, the clutch came all bolted together as one piece when I got it. so do I take everything apart and realign it?

 

[white92talontsi]

You can do it without a tool at all provided you keep the disc centered with the hole in the crank while bolting the pressure plate up.

Yes unbolt everything. Put the flywheel on then the disc and then the pressure plate

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[Indian]

you should just borrow one from a parts store or friend if you can find one. It is possible to eyeball it,but I wouldnt reccomend it. Every clutch kit I sell comes with the tool.

So, you already have the pressure plate bolted to the flywheel?

 

[white92talontsi]

you should just borrow one from a parts store or friend if you can find one. It is possible to eyeball it,but I wouldnt reccomend it.

So, you already have the pressure plate bolted to the flywheel?

I've had to eyeball plenty of them. If you can see straight its not that hard. Hell you even get to sit down and eat a sammich and do it


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[Pozobyt]

Yes the pressure plate is already bolted to the flywheel out of the box.

I had my terms wrong when I first posted, when I said flywheel, I meant flexplate.

But I'll try unbolting it and realigning it. I'll try to get a tool tomorrow since I don't have experiance doing this. if I can't find one I'll try by sight. I live in the middle of nowhere and It's hard to find anything around here.

that picture I put up is the whole thing assembled. and the clutch plate is a little off center with the pressure plate, which is what had me concerned. I wasn't sure if it should be perfectly centered or not, or if I just bolt the whole assembly up to the flexplate.

sorry about my ignorance ha, this whole thing is a learning experience

Okay I just came to realize that the 420a is a modular clutch, so I can't take it apart.

It still doesn't look centered by looking at it. but I guess it should be fine, just bolt to driveplate, and install transmission?

 

[Misterbeechy]

yes we have modular clutches.. im surpized 420a guys didnt jump in and tell u that.. after 95 the made them modular.. means they came riveted together.. we also use im sure its the 96 to 03 neon clutches too.. they are direct fit slide in and out.. bolt it up.. good to go..

it sucks we dont have much perfomance options.. our clutches are kinda pricey due to the fact they all come together flywheel, clutch and pressure plate..

good luck.. im curently finding away around this setup.. there are ways we can make it non-modular

 

[Pozobyt]

yes we have modular clutches.. im surpized 420a guys didnt jump in and tell u that.. after 95 the made them modular.. means they came riveted together.. we also use im sure its the 96 to 03 neon clutches too.. they are direct fit slide in and out.. bolt it up.. good to go..

it sucks we dont have much perfomance options.. our clutches are kinda pricey due to the fact they all come together flywheel, clutch and pressure plate..

good luck.. im curently finding away around this setup.. there are ways we can make it non-modular

Yeah that's what had me kind of confused haha. I didn't realize the clutch was so expensive, I found someone with a hydrolocked motor who was parting his car out, so I got all of the parts for a a/t m/t swap for 300 bucks, except for the clutch, then come to realize that was 250 dollars.

 

[bullettdsm]

You bolt and torque the flywheel down first,put the disk and pressure plate on together using the spline tool you got with the clutch kit. This centers the disk so you dont misalign the disk. Leave it in while you bolt and torque down the pressure plate, and then pull the splined tool out. You can now bolt the transmission up to the block.

I dont know if you got the plastic clutch tool with your kit,but you should have. Some people can align the disk without it,but its better to just use the tool.

Use the supplied line up tool. Put the tool in the splines of the clutch.
Slide the tool with the clutch into the pilot bearing.
Put the pressure plate over the clutch and the tool. Slowly and while criss crossin start to tighten the pressure plate bolts until all are tight while making sure the alignment tool is easily able to slip in and out.

Install trans.

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These ^^^^^Plus others posts in this thread,

GUYS, please be aware of where you are posting and what you are posting about. The 420a clutch set-up is a modular unit. If you post up information like above and like below;

You can do it without a tool at all provided you keep the disc centered with the hole in the crank while bolting the pressure plate up.

Yes unbolt everything. Put the flywheel on then the disc and then the pressure plate

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You end up with guys trying to do this :

But I'll try unbolting it and realigning it. I'll try to get a tool tomorrow since I don't have experiance doing this. if I can't find one I'll try by sight.

That is the problem with not being aware of where you are posting

OP, you slide your modular clutch onto the input shaft first (in other words, it slides onto the tranny first), then you bolt your tranny and engine together. THEN you can bolt the modular unit to the flexplateit (As you say, like an auto). The input shaft should center out the clutch disc within the modualr unit. Be aware that when you go to bolt the modular clutch to the flexplate (after you have bolted up the engine to the tranny), it will only line up one way. Spin the modular unit 90 degrees each time, until you can get all 4 holes to line up properly (you may want to make a couple of marks before you put it together to mark out when the modular clutch is lined up with the 4 bolt holes on the flexplate.

MB

 

[Pozobyt]

Thank you bullet, I'm not familliar with modular and non modular clutch setups, which is why I ignorantly posted not knowing what I was talking about, but I got it now, thanks!

Also, does anyone know what other cars I could pull a slave cylinder off of that would fit my car?

 

[Misterbeechy]

sorry bro.. i know that 96 - 03 neons .. we use the same tranny .. so maybe .. just maybe we can use the same components.. please also when you post and get replies.. be sure that your replies are coming from 420a 2gnt users or at least people that would have some actual knowledge on it.. If you didnt know 4g63 and 420a platforms are COMPLETELY different..

not for nothing ive been kinda lazy on finding out how to make in non-modular but if you find out... make a write up... it would really help..

 

[bullettdsm]

not for nothing ive been kinda lazy on finding out how to make in non-modular but if you find out... make a write up... it would really help..

You know, with all the funny responses here, I think you may have good idea. I'll post up this write up I did so that others may understand what's going on;

2GNT.com - Non_Modular_VS_Modular_Clutch

MB

 

[Misterbeechy]

so can i just buy the 95 neon bolts and a 95 neon clutch kit and use that...

im a little confused as to where i can get the "flex plate" or does my 99 already have one??

 

[CODE4]

so can i just buy the 95 neon bolts and a 95 neon clutch kit and use that...

im a little confused as to where i can get the "flex plate" or does my 99 already have one??

The flexplate is only used if you retain a modular clutch setup.

If you want to go non-modular (95 style) then you will not have a flexplate per se, but an actual flywheel that is bolted via 8 bolts to the rear of the crankshaft. You will need the longer, 95 style flywheel bolts to mount to the crankshaft.

Here is a view of the modular assembly and the flexplate (part is shown as 03075).

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[Old Iron Guy]

I know this is an old thread. I am new to this forum, but have been using it for some time to help my son work on his 2 DSM's. We had to install a clutch on his 97 Eclipse and we had great difficulty with the alignment of the clutch component to the flex plate. This forum got us through it. Although I wanted to give a big shout out to bullettdsm. If not for that particular posting we would have big dents in our foreheads from beating them against the wall. Thank you all very much, and keep up the great work. Love the site.