My job and the company's scam

[wishin4nX]

You shouldn't have left early/ gotten in late on Monday. You shouldn't have to make any time up to begin with bro

 

[ramsack]

Then there should be a damn door with steel bars that don't let me into the building until 10 AM on the dot and keep me in like a prison until 6 PM on the dot. Plain and simple. Monday wasn't late. My shift is listed as 8-4 but it is understood on Mondays I can show up whenever the hell I want between 8 and 10 AM.

 

[wishin4nX]

OR.... You can be like all the other millions of Americans and clock in out when you are supposed to on yor own free will

 

[thomcasey]

Incorrect on your milking the clock reasoning. Milking the clock is clocking in early, then out late. This adds little bits of time to the hours you work. Now, you may not be doing it for overtime, you may be only doing it to make up for lost time earlier in the week. But, I bet SOMEONE at your employment is doing it for extra pay. That will cause them to change it for everyone.

Remember, you can quit and find another job. Vote with your feet.

 

[dsmvr4182]

What world do you live in where if a company changes policies it doesn't have to notify the employees or have them sign anything? Every single place I worked at had to do that even if changing one word in something as simple as the dress code. The rules from paychex are a 10 minute window. You can punch in 10 minutes before your scheduled start time.

Here is an example of what I'm pissed about:

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Monday I can come in any time between 8 AM and 10 AM, this is OK'd already through my boss. Tuesday I was here 7 minutes early, clearly within the RULES. But oh, I wanted to make up that time from the day before. But no, only 8 hours. You can do the math and see it should be 8 hours and 10 minutes.

How am I here early by choice? I have no control over traffic, so not my choice. If I had special powers to fly to work in a seconds I would leave my house at 9:59 AM, or to predict traffic and leave to be here at exactly 10 AM. My boss already says he doesn't give a shit if people get here early, just punch in later and lose the time so he can go to HR and get these rules removed from the payroll system. I have such an issue with HR, which is what's wrong with every industry. The people are crazy. It's definitely not a job of passion.

I do the work I'm required to, which is less than most people here have to do, but I do what I'm required to do.

I have never once been givin anything to sign when working for a company as a employee or AM/GM. Whent hey choose to change the rules they have to tell you about the change,send email out or a letter out. you do not have to sign something every time they choose to change a policy or rules.

You are there early by choice cause you live so far away. No you can not control traffic but you can control when you clock in and out. I dont see what is so hard for you to figure out about that. I go in at 12 and get off at 8. I clock in a min before or right at 12 every day. When i go to leave i clock out 8 on the dot or 8:01. I set in the car and wait till its time for me to go inside and clock in.

I see your point on wanting to get paid for time you work. it looks like they have it down to the 8 hr and that is all. Okay easy fix keep up with what time you clock in and exactly 8 hours from that time clock out. Easy as that. Dont clock out early. Problem and solved. You clocking in and out is your responsibilty.

 

[EclipseTical]

twilight-level of emo BS

Jesus Christ... W T F happened to personal accountability and common sense?

Clearly your company is trying to limit their OT expenses which is why they are capping your schedule to 8 hrs/day. If you don't like it then DON'T WORK OVER 8 HOURS. Or you could quit bitchin about 10minutes of pay when you are staying late by choice. Budgets and payroll suck; if you ever hold a position that requires you to track them then you might see why you're coming off looking like you have a sandy vag about this.

There is no law that says a company must allow you to make up time that you missed from a previous day. It is a company's choice whether they let you make up missed time or not -- it is not a god-given right. Don't like it? Then get a job somewhere else that has a more flexible working hours agreement.

And enough about the whole "get here early" crap you've been railing on about.. My office is 1 1/2 hours from home and start work at 7am-- i leave the house at 5:15. I get to the office ~ 6:45 most days so i have a smoke and drink a coffee outside with the other early managers.

If you are scheduled at 10 then your shift starts at 10-- the company has zero obligation to start paying you if you show up before your scheduled start time. So what should you do if you show up early but cannot start your shift? Go have a coffee or a smoke, sit in your car and wait until your shift starts like everyone else does. And F off about "I'm not wasting my gas sitting in the car" BS -- who the hell said you had to sit in the car with it idling?

As much time as you've dedicated to whining about your job in this thread i hope your company a) doesn't have you hired under an at-will contract and b) doesn't monitor your internet usage/content or the next thread we will be seeing is you bitching about how your company wrongfully terminated you.

 

[ramsack]

Which makes no sense. What's the point of a time clock system if you are supposed to punch in on the exact minute you're scheduled? Logic would tell me under that kind of system a babysitter would be present to make sure you're there and doing work for every second of those exact minutes. As I said this is not a damn contract job where you round times to 10 or 15 minutes. Every single job that I've ever worked paid you for the times you were punched. No more, no less. Yeah it is about saving money. They dumped $150k into making some stupid flyers to hand out. They saved a ton of money by switching insurance providers and payroll systems. They saved money on payroll by robbing people of their times.

 

[dsmvr4182]

I find it hard to believe that this is so complicated for you, and think you're doing this for some troll-related reason. More funny is your jab at my "math". I'm fully capable of understanding time AND numbers, however you're incapable of understanding any point being made that doesn't jive with your...errr..."unique" world views.

Does the system let you clock in early? Yep. Will you get paid if you work 7:50-5 for 8:10...nope. Clock out at 4:50 or take the hit. Better yet clock in and out ON TIME.

Glad im not the only one that think he is not getting what is being said .

 

[ramsack]

I never said I don't get it, I say I don't agree with it and it's wrong. Jeez.

 

[JusMX141]

In this situation I'd probably punch in at 9:50am, punch out and leave at 5:50pm, and if I didn't get paid for 8 hours that particular day I'd contact someone in charge and say you're taking them to court over it once it adds up to a decent sum.

Sounds to me like their time clock reads whatever it wants, but the pay clock is only on from 10-6.

 

[wishin4nX]

Troll.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

Milking the clock might be posting on DSMTuners at 1:35 on a Wednesday.... just saying.

And BTW, you are ABSOLUTELY correct in assuming that this is a scam. Your company is trying to make conditions that will get their employees to work for free by there own decision. Before they got 40 hours of work out of you and paid you 40 hours worth of pay. The new system will mean you work the same amount of time but get paid less.

Example:
You come in 15 minutes early and leave 15 minutes late everyday and leave early on Friday to NOT get overtime. You worked 8.5 on Monday-Thursday and 6 hours on Friday it was 40 hours. NOW working the same amount of hours as you did before they only pay you 38 hours OR you work the extra 2 hours and you get paid 40 hours worth of work, but actually worked 42 hours.

Does it suck? Yes. Can you do something about it? No. Well... yes, get fired or quit, start your own business, whatever you want to do to remedy the situation. Companies that are profit oriented will always SCREW you out of being paid some how. My company, BAE Systems reduces our benefits EVERY year in order to screw us. Find a company/job that is MISSION oriented and you'd be happy. Mission oriented jobs don't care about how many hours you work, they care about getting tasked completed in a certain time frame. If you have to make 50 toys in 8 hours. And it took you 20 minutes than you got paid a days worth of work for only 20 minutes. But if it takes you 13 hours to make the 50 toys you still got only paid the same. So it's a give and take.

Most mechanics work on the same principal. I had a friend that was VERY skilled at using this system to his advantage. He gets a job and it's supposed to take about 2 hours. If 20 minutes of that time is draining the fluid then he would got go pull in another car in the bay next to him and start working on that while the fluids are draining. So he was working 2 jobs at once, because he was such a skilled mechanic he would have 4 hours worth of work done in about 2 hours or less.

Also the Military works on this principal. I have been many times told I could go home early because I got my work done early, sometimes half the day. Other times because of some crucial mission I would have to work 10+ hours and I get paid the same no matter what. Think about my time in Afghanistan. I literally was on the clock 24 hours a day for 400 days straight... no weekend, no holidays. Yet my base pay was the same as a SGT states-side, getting holidays and weekends off; seeing his wife at the end of the day, etc.

 

[dsmvr4182]

I never said I don't get it, I say I don't agree with it and it's wrong. Jeez.

Okay then if you get it then just do it. The company doesnt care if you agree or not. If you dont agree with it quit or go in and talk to HR. Which im sure HR will tell you the same thing i am. Oh im sorry we have a 8 hr cap. Clock in and out at the correct times. If you dont like it quit.

 

[EclipseTical]

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And is Thursday honest? No. And anyway, anyone can just punch in at home if they wanted to. It's a web-based time clock. I know all about the real world and what to expect. I'm not stupid. I'm also honest and expect honesty back. If I clock in honestly like I attempted to do, I expect my hours to be calculated honestly.

Thursday is 'honest' if you have a paid 30min lunch break, otherwise they overpaid you 30 min.

in :9:53am
out : 6:03PM

8 hours if you have 30min paid lunch)
7.5 hours if your lunch is not paid (like most people)

 

[ramsack]

They give lunch to everyone for free. I am pretty much the only person that does not take a lunch every day. No, I don't eat lunch. So even more of a reason that they're getting more out of me than is required. All I'm required to do is to check and moderate our company's customer forum. Less than 10 posts a day, and most are posted overnight. Thursday is short by 10 damn minutes. I don't understand how a hour cap is legal when they log your hours that you work. I could understand that they could get away with it if they literally change your punch times, but that's not the case. All I was wanting to originally know is if this was a scam and if I could do anything about it. I never said I didn't understand how it worked, I do, but I do not like it and I think someone deserves to literally be killed over this kind of shit. I should have never worked here. They told me they would prefer it if I would just quit my other 2 jobs instead of give a 2 week notice. So if I find something else I will just quit outright and not give 2 weeks of notice.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

I don't get a paid lunch. So you get it better than I.

 

[delta448]

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And is Thursday honest? No. And anyway, anyone can just punch in at home if they wanted to. It's a web-based time clock. I know all about the real world and what to expect. I'm not stupid. I'm also honest and expect honesty back. If I clock in honestly like I attempted to do, I expect my hours to be calculated honestly.

I'm not familiar with the system your company is using but, the last 2 jobs that I've had used a 15 minute window for your time record. Basically, you could clock in 7 minutes before or after the right time and still be on time, but if you clocked in 8 minutes either way you were early or late. Using that system, I'd be paid only 7.75 hours with your Monday time-punches and still only 8.0 hours for your Thursday punches, of course before subtracting my non-paid lunch breaks. It appears that you have a cap on how many hours per day, so that just means you need to make sure you leave home for work a little earlier in order to be on time.

I get a single half hour lunch break per day and I work as a full-time employee doing 12 hour shifts 3 days a week (which also means I have to exceed 4 hours of overtime in 3 shifts to reach time and a half pay). I work every other weekend and work all holidays except for Thanksgiving day and Christmas day. I'm paid hourly, but any raises I earn are calculated on a "salary" of what I would earn working exactly 36 hours a week for 52 weeks, and not the amount I actually earned the previous year.

I'm one of 2 full-time X-ray techs in the only Urgent Care facility that is part of the West Virginia University Hospital system, which just happens to be the largest system in West Virginia. I have 6 years of college and 24 months of Radiology school under my belt.

I clock in at 7:45am and I am permitted to clock out after the last patient who checked in before 8pm is discharged, after which I shut down the imaging equipment and clean the room. We get a lot of people that like to check in 5 minutes before the doors are locked. So it's pretty often that I end up with 3+ hours a week of overtime that I am not paid more than my regular wage for.

I do everything in the clinic short of administering non-oral medications. Aside from running the state-of-the-art digital imaging equipment, I check in patients, draw blood, start IV fluids, dress wounds, make fiberglass splints, perform lab tests, etc... -which is much more than an X-ray tech working in a hospital or doctor's office is expected to be able to do, yet my starting wage was $1 less an hour than the wage the main hospital was offering at the same time.

You're probably wondering why I went into such detail. I want you to realize that your job is no worse than mine, yet I LOVE my job. I am regularly there 20-30 minutes before I am allowed to clock in, making coffee, sorting papers, stocking supplies, etc. Usually I'm also the last one to leave at night since I have extra duties that the other staff doesn't have to do before they leave. You will NEVER hear me whining about 10 effing minutes on my admittedly very meager paycheck.

If you can't stand the job, start applying for a new job. Just remember that the new employer is probably going to want to talk to references where you work now. You just better keep your shit in line until you're out of there.

/rant

 

[ramsack]

Again, Mondays I have no set time to start. I can come in whenever I want. When I work at 10 I leave the house at 8:45 and get to work anywhere from 9:30 - 9:50. I guarantee you I will NEVER find a job I will enjoy. People say they would kill for my hours, but they suck. Get up around 8, drive an hour, work 8, drive an hour and a half home, get home around 7:30 to have no damn life.

 

[GSXSixteenG]

I work 50+ hours a week during tax season. I do not get overtime for over 40 hrs, I am not an hourly employee though. I get a 30min unpaid lunch everyday. I've been in grad school full time from the point I was hired about a year and half ago, and haven't had a gpa in grad school under 3.5. I guess I should start complaining to my employer.

 

[ramsack]

Labor laws need to get better. What's the deal with unions? I've refused to even apply at places because they are unionized, and they made it seem like you had to be a part of the union to work. Wouldn't you just be a free agent if you choose not to be in a union? I hear about all this stuff like in the TV and movie industry they have to be a part of a union just to have a job or appear on TV or in movies.

 

[delta448]

Again, Mondays I have no set time to start. I can come in whenever I want.

Then simply don't leave early and you won't be docked. If you start at 0913 then just don't clock out until after 1713. I don't understand why you think this is so difficult/unfair.

 

[ramsack]

Because a company cannot just change its policies without the employees either signing to agree with it or not signing it and walking. That was supposed to be all caps. Before I leave someone WILL die over this.

 

[Travis96GS-T]

Because a company cannot just change its policies without the employees either signing to agree with it or not signing it and walking. That was supposed to be all caps. Before I leave someone WILL die over this.

Sure they can. I don't understand why you think they need to get your permission first to change a policy. If you don't like their new policy, leave. That is your choice.

 

[ramsack]

Of course they don't need permission, but they need to prove that employees were notified of changed policies, and that is a signature. Ever have a company change its employee handbook on ya? Every time that happened at a job they had people sign something saying you are aware of the changes and you agree with them.

 

[Travis96GS-T]

And are you seriously making death threats on a public forum over this? With all the loonies out there shooting up their workplace, I would not be saying things like that.