My job and the company's scam

[ramsack]

As I said before I drive 50 miles to work. I have no way of knowing if I will get there 5 minutes early or 30 minutes early. ANY employer I've ever worked for valued people who come in a tiny bit early and stayed until their time. And if the employee earned hours before in the week and there isn't work in the last day of the week then they would let them go early. All this is is a way for them to get out of paying for overtime. If I'm there for mroe than 40 hours then I expect to get paid for it. They don't even want to pay straight time over 40 hours much less 1.5x time.

We don't need to be taxed 20%+ for there to exist a federal government. It was envisioned to be small and have little to no power, and was envisioned to exist to protect our land, not police the world. They could exist solely from taxing corporations if they weren't so big. As is stands now the corporations are taxed, but they are so big they own the government, and they create laws to snuff out the local businesses. Good luck in having a future human race with those policies... I know I will be killed for saying these things but oh well.

 

[TSimage]

As I said before I drive 50 miles to work. I have no way of knowing if I will get there 5 minutes early or 30 minutes early. ANY employer I've ever worked for valued people who come in a tiny bit early and stayed until their time. And if the employee earned hours before in the week and there isn't work in the last day of the week then they would let them go early. All this is is a way for them to get out of paying for overtime. If I'm there for mroe than 40 hours then I expect to get paid for it. They don't even want to pay straight time over 40 hours much less 1.5x time.

I hope you're young.. like 17 or 18 because you don't seem to understand how the world works.

Who cares if you come from 50 miles or 5? An employee is an employee... You seem to feel you deserve special treatment for choosing a job that is 50 miles from your house... I don't feel for you, I work in construction/union/engineer work and have had to be at places that are 2-3hrs away by like 5-6am... Now if I come from far out and come in 5 minutes late or so then I usually get a pass and that is because I am always early, as you should be. (If you're on time, you're late. If you're early, you're on time) I'm an example employee and because of it I get more responsibilities and move up quicker.

Even in my position where salaries are set (Union *I wont get a raise just because I show up early compared to a lazy guy who shows up on the dot) and you are pretty much forced to work where ever your job site is, you don't see me bitchin'. You however made the decision to work there and now you feel you should be given special treatment...

No, just be glad they hired you.

If they were FORCED to compensate you for living so far, I'm sure you'd for sure be fired and easily replaced by someone who lives closer or wont b*tch about it. (makes sense regardless of the economy)

I'm honestly trying to see things from your point of view but that whole "reality/the way things work" keeps kicking in and my mind cant comprehend how you feel you are being wronged..

 

[ramsack]

They also had the choice to not hire me because I live so far. I deserve to get paid for the time I am there. If I get there early I'm not gonna sit in my car and jerk off. It's not a time-stringent job, it's a damn office. Other people (brown nosers) come and go as they please. You and I are most likely compensated very differently. If I get there 30 minutes early I go to McDonalds and get breakfast, but if I get there 5-10 minutes early I expect to be able to leave 5-10 minutes early, or if I stay, to be able to get paid the extra 5-10 minutes. It's not like I'm coming in hours early, on purpose, and duck out hours before I have to stay til, or trying to collect mad OT. They especially have to pay me for the hours that are documented and if they alter them to suit their needs then that's illegal in my eyes.

A warehouse job I had in the past tried to pull the same shit with a new time clock. We got 2 free 15 minute breaks and a half hour unpaid lunch. If you went 16 minutes on one of the free breaks then it would dock you as a lunch. And no, you couldn't make the other break 14 minutes to balance it out. People threw a fit and that shit stopped. Anyone who has a clue of how to set things up should realize it would eat into your other break or eat into your lunch, or just hours, and by 1 minute.

 

[dsmvr4182]

You have a set time to show up and leave each day. If you come in and work before set time you are doing so at your own choice not the boss or company choice. They set your work time and days not you. You are there employee and just like stated why should you get to choose your own work week and leave on a friday early to drop the time that you should not have been there.
There going to win this in court. You will lose your job and then not get a unemployment check for you not being able to follow company rules and work your correct shift.

 

[TSimage]

They also had the choice to not hire me because I live so far. I deserve to get paid for the time I am there. If I get there early I'm not gonna sit in my car and jerk off. It's not a time-stringent job, it's a damn office. Other people (brown nosers) come and go as they please. You and I are most likely compensated very differently. If I get there 30 minutes early I go to McDonalds and get breakfast, but if I get there 5-10 minutes early I expect to be able to leave 5-10 minutes early, or if I stay, to be able to get paid the extra 5-10 minutes. It's not like I'm coming in hours early, on purpose, and duck out hours before I have to stay til, or trying to collect mad OT.

Again, you fail to see how ridiculous what you're saying is.. WTF

It is a professional environment.

Period.

If I give you a schedule, as you're employer I expect you to abide by it and arrive when told and in turn I will not hold you past the set time of departure either. I do not make schedules so that my employees can personally determine when they feel they should be able to come and go as they please. Once they come into my place of business I resume responsibility for them between times A and B.

Who are you to determine your own schedule? I am boss, you are employee. I make schedule, you follow schedule... I make rules, you follow rules. You do work, I write checks. Welcome to the workforce.. You wanna make rules, be the Boss.

This is how it is and how it should be. I can't imagine I am having a discussion with an adult on this matter unless you are new in the work field. I am positive they didn't hire you expecting to compensate you for showing up when ever the fk you want. I would bet my life that they would have never hired you if that were the case. I wouldn't want my employees to all have your attitude because then there would be chaos. Schedules are made to restore order. I know you are here because it is 7am and I know you are gone because its 4:30pm. I know you're on lunch because its 12noon and I know you are back at your seat because it is 1 in the afternoon.

Do you see how much simpler this makes things?

Boss- This last minute task came up and I need ramsack to take care of it, its urgent!

"Uh, sorry sir but ram left early.."

-Why?

"Cause he got here early..."

-So what... So did 90% of the people still here... so did I...

"Yeah well he lives 50miles away.."

-And I live in the hills an hr and a half away...

"Well, he's special..."

-Find me a less special IT guy, there are an abundant amount of 'em lookin' for jobs..


@ coming in early on my own and deciding that I can leave early because of it..

A warehouse job I had in the past tried to pull the same shit with a new time clock. We got 2 free 15 minute breaks and a half hour unpaid lunch. If you went 16 minutes on one of the free breaks then it would dock you as a lunch. And no, you couldn't make the other break 14 minutes to balance it out. People threw a fit and that shit stopped. Anyone who has a clue of how to set things up should realize it would eat into your other break or eat into your lunch, or just hours, and by 1 minute.

Or how about be a responsible employee and get your ass back to work in the 15minutes you're suppose to?

Its not rocket science. If such rules are too trivial for you to follow I wouldn't want you as an employee. It speaks of a person that is unorganized, unmotivated, poor attitude overall, and irresponsible.

Do you have kids? How old are you?

 

[GSXSixteenG]

I am on TSimage's side here...

I thought it was completely normal to be there early and late. Even though I do not punch in and out of work, if I am 10 mins early, I still write down what time I was suppose to be there. Same goes as if I worked 10 mins later. Of course, my job is a little different and I can come and go as I please.

But, this thread makes you seem like a whiny b!tch.

If it wasn't for taxes you wouldn't be getting unemployment like you are expecting too. I am a cpa, I see sh!t every day that is ridiculous, you can either man up and deal with it. Or cry like a girl because everything isn't catered to you. If its that big of a deal to you, move to a country without taxes or government and tell me how it is. You'll get $4 an hour and have bars on your windows.

 

[ramsack]

Umm...unemployment is paid for by the company, that's why they try to fight it so dearly in COURT. If they didn't have to pay unemployment they could give 2 shits that the tax payer would have to pay someone's salary. When a company changes policies it has to grandfather you in by presenting the changes and you either sign to agree or are left go if you don't agree. There was nothing documented or signed...so yea. What country doesn't have government? $4 in a poor as country would the wages of a king, so yeah, I would do that.

 

[nuclearr]

I think you should just deal with it. The company you work for is cutting out over time to keep from laying people off. So count your blessings you still have your job.

 

[ramsack]

I find it more stressful to work a job and barely make bills than to not have a job and not have money to pay any bills. I wouldn't mind living in a Soviet country. I could have access to steal all kinds of weapons, tanks, and aircraft that were deserted. I'd love to live alone in Pripyat and live off the radioactive land.

 

[TSimage]

You need to get a life.

Why don't you be the person you profess to be, someone who, "doesn't take sh*t," and take your ass to your HR department or boss and let them know how you really feel...

But we all know just how likely that will be..

 

[ramsack]

Thank you.

 

[dsm4lif3]

Dude what are you saying I'm sorry not meaning to make a joke out of your "argument" but your really coming off as your still a premature little teenager who thinks there special. I myself am 18 and have no idea what your trying to say. Your argument is " I show up 5 -10 min early I should get paid" No you showing up early shows the employer you are responsible and you can get there on time no matter where you are coming from.

You also stated they could of chose not to hire you because you live so far? Now what kind of argument is that , they hiried you assuming you were going to potentially be a good employee not having anything to do with how far you live or anything of that nature. Now like everyone else said either stick with job and find another job in the meantime. Or I'd say quit ## botching and Be lucky you have a job. I my self am currently still looking for any income but no luck at all.

By the way not trying to come off as an asshole just my personal opinion. Good luck to you

 

[ramsack]

You can have my job. I'd rather be unemployed. Pretty soon the dollar is gonna collapse so having a job is going to be no more worthwhile to me than not having one. Once it collapses I'm quitting. I may buy a tent in the meantime.

 

[stukyl28]

I worked for a landscaping company my boss told me from day 1 that if I was even 1 min late he takes off another 15mins off the timecard, I felt that it was a stupid rile but i was new and didn't want any problems. So I worked there for a couple months and had been late ( less then 5 mins ) a couple times. He would jump on my case about not having my stuff together , other words were used, and that I should try harder. I was the new guy so i had to be there way before anyone else to load up the trucks for that day. The last time I was late he got smart with me and said " there's another 15 mins wasted" so I told him if I wasn't getting paid for the next 15 mins i was going to sit in my car, witch i did. He was freaking out seriously screaming at my thru my window. Apparently in 13 yrs of owning the business no one has ever done that to him, I said that he must only hire stupid people cause i don't work for free. I feel your pain brother some companies are just owned by A holes

 

[ramsack]

Ya, our company is based in Germany. We hold a lot of German customs and it's stupid! You do business in American you have to play by America's rules. We're not even allowed to dress nice, only the really high-ups are allowed to. To keep us all looking like poor peons in the salt mines. I hate my job more because of my immediate boss. The people who are his boss are nicer and more humble. My boss is just a spoiled brat rich kid who slacks off more than anyone there. The only real work he has to do is check our times... If I held the position he holds I would be more involved in having incentives to do good work and actually be nice to employees and actually sit down and review their work every year. Literally all that comes out of this kid's mouth is nothing but insults and sexual innudendo like "that's what she said" type shit and "your mom" type shit. I'd have more respect for my job if they ever told me I did a good job, or even if they told me I was doing a shitty job and needed to do better. When I laid carpet I worked for a 70 year old Vietnam vet. who was very strict about work discipline and ethics, and I respect that more than some brat. Insults do no one good.

 

[ramsack]

There are 2 routes to work, the turnpike and 422. Any deviation from 422 results in lateness even if 422 is backed up. The turnpike isn't very reliable to not be backed up, nor are the routes to get to the turnpike. No one works close to this place and everyone is fed up with it already. I'm gonna do the clock shit for a while because evidently the boss wants people to do it so he can show HR how much of a pain in the ass it is so they get rid of it, but he doesn't have to be a dick about it. I don't care who you are in the company above me, there's no reason to be a total pompus ass to people.

 

[ramsack]

That reminds me of my warehouse job. I had to pick orders in 3 departments (help pick in meat, help pick in freezer, and do all bakery orders), down pallets in 3 departments for myself and other pickers, babysit two departments, and make sure the work gets out to its destination in 3 departments. I believe in testing someone once and a while just to see how they handle it, but it never ended, it was literally dumped on me so I walked out. I should have stayed, though. I was at $12.40 an hour with overtime encouraged and the company gave us stock (we didn't have to contribute to it like you do with a 401k, it was given.) Now I doubt I could get hired back. I wouldn't even care if I started at the bottom because I thought I did such a good job I could get right back to where I was in no time.

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Im guessing you work in KOP, Plymouth meeting area? I dont see the problem. My step father had to work in Norristown, PA and we lived 10 minutes north of Reading and he had to commute that everyday. Be at work at 7 and leave a 3. Sit in traffic on the way home. He didnt get any special treatment. He had to work 18 hr days and cycled days and nights every 3 weeks. Whats your point. I understand that you want to be compensated for being early but thats how it is. Companys are even more strict on labor and if they can only afford 8 hrs then thats how it is. Better than no job at all

 

[eligst21]

i gotta agree with TSimage. i believe that you go to work when youre supposed to and get off at the time. work no more or no less unless they give you overtime. i mean i know you can not know how early you'll get there but just work with it to keep the job. i mean there aren't jobs flying around for one to grab easy. i believe do youre job and what they say for the sake of keeping a job. unless you dont want one and in point, quit the job and the nightmare will end. but almost anywhere the employer is the head hancho and you're just their little servents. well, if you wanna stay getting paid. ha. my opinion.

 

[zero_wheeler]

sit in your car and get on dsmtuners if you get to work before your supposed to be clocked in, and be happy youve got a job thats giving you those kind of hours. i know a bunchhhhh of people that would kill for a job like that.

 

[bastarddsm]

This is funny, I would kill for a job that let me work 10-6.

 

[born2tune]

BRO THIS IS WHAT U DO: (ive done this and they cant fire you or do anything against you)

if you show early fine, because you want to make sure you clock in on time, now for the clocking out...

there are two ways of doing this:

1- as soon as your shift hits 8 hours drop the papers or wrenches and clock out and go home, (this way may not work out if option two applies to your job description)

2- at hour 7:45 you start cleaning up, organizing your section for close out, and at hour 8, clock out,


they will ask you where are you going, and you say home, they might tell you that ## aint done, but explain that 1, your not getting paid over 8 hours so no work, and if they really want you there they can pay you for your work. no one works for free, ask him if he clocked out too... i bet he hasn't and if he did for some dumb reason tell him that if you get into and accident at 9:15 when you clocked out @ 9:00 you are responsible for your injuries because you shouldn't have been there.

 

[wishin4nX]

TSimage is right dude. ramsack i refuse to believe you are over 20. i show up to work as early as 30-45 mins, and dont get paid for it.do i work the whole 30-45 mins? not really, and if i do then its little shit to help me during my shift. my manager loves that about me, because it shows i care about my job. im getting paid more than people that have been there twice as long as me, because i showed im motivated, intrested in the job, and want to learn and move up.

you are crying like a little bi*** and swear you dont care about your job. if you dont, then pass it on to the next guy, who wont moan and whine about 10 minutes

 

[ramsack]

There is nothing to preoccupy myself with like other jobs have. I'm not going to waste MY gas to sit in my car because my job can't pay me the time I'm here. I don't give a shit if you want to show up to your job early and not get paid for it. That's your problem. That just shows the boss that he can walk all over you and squeeze the life out of you. The way to approach a job is to do mediocre work half-heartedly because doing less is bad, and doing more is just free labor. There's no clean up or anything at work, just a desk. Maybe if you have an office job like I do then you can chime in and call me a whiny bi***, but you who say I am work in a completely different industry. Work ethic works on both ends of things, it's not all up to the employee to be the ideal, the employer should be respectful, too. They can afford lots of things. They buy new shit all the time instead of fixing shit that doesn't work correctly. That's what they have a damn IT person for. They throw parties at exotic places and order buses all the time and hotel rooms, which I don't partake in. Employees are given a free lunch, which I never take, so I should deserve to be praised for that, because while others are sitting in the kitchen for a half hour eating or out getting food I am working. The company shut down one day because of flooding roads and such, but I made it from 50 miles away, and wasn't told the company was closed. It took me 3 hours to get to work only to see a sign on the door that they were closed. There was only a few other people there, higher up, and they just told me to leave, not that it was nice of me to come in.

 

[LandoAWD]

The only rules your employer MUST follow are the FLSA laws, and nothing you've griped about seems unreasonable from here in regards to overtime and labor rules.

In order to pay overtime, maybe they have to authorize it? I know that I'm exempt, but when I was eligible, I had to jump through hoops to get approved to work.

Another quick "+1" for: at least you have a job. We all have had to work somewhere that wasn't ideal, many of us worked in several places like this through the years, but take pride in what you do, do your job, and stop bitching.