My job and the company's scam

[ramsack]

Damn I guess no one finds their own time precious anymore. 1/3 of ones life is spent working, for 1/5 to 1/3 of one's pay never to be seen again. Time on earth is precious and even though I'm getting paid for it I would like appreciation or a "get out, you suck". I will be quitting once we actually go into a real depression and the monetary system collapses, since my bank will lose all my money and close, and a pay check will mean nothing, and I won't be able to get paid in cash.

 

[dsm4lif3]

To tell you truth i honestly dont believe none of that will happen. I feel the economy within the next year or 2 well substantially improve. Thats just how i feel. But i can be wrong but i dont think the whole monetary system is going to "collapse" just my .2 ..

 

[ramsack]

The only way it can't collapse is if the Fed can actually account for where trillions of dollars are mysteriously going, and they won't tell Congress. When asked by Congress if they will provide the names of banks they are just giving printed money to Bernanke just replies with a chuckle "No." Every day in the news they say the economy is getting better, and a few hours later it's worse. They don't think long term, they just update the general public on the economy's state by how a few stocks are the GDP are currently doing. Yes, we are up a tad bit from the 2008 recession, but all commodities are now starting to go up day by day because the suppliers kept prices low for so long with hopes that things would get better, and they didn't, because of printing more and more money, devaluing currency. Most commodities are prices in dollars all around the world, so once the dollar slips into oblivion the world is going to just collapse in a matter of weeks. Follow the Euro, then the dollar, then watch everything else crumble. I wish I could get my job to pay me in a set amount of silver each pay cycle.

 

[LandoAWD]

Damn I guess no one finds their own time precious anymore.

I sure do, and I even take pride in being damn good at what I do...so some unpaid work comes with that. I do have the option to take off an hour early if I work over, just no $$.

1/3 of ones life is spent working, for 1/5 to 1/3 of one's pay never to be seen again.

How so? I see my results daily, or sometimes not for years...but I see results of the work. As for the money, it'll be seen again. Look at the road the next time you drive, look at the kevlar on a soldier, look at the paycheck some leech is getting for unemployment... (no offense to ALL on unemployment, just the ones who come to DSS on 'twenty-fos')

I will be quitting once we actually go into a real depression and the monetary system collapses, since my bank will lose all my money and close, and a pay check will mean nothing, and I won't be able to get paid in cash.

 

[ramsack]

Roads are paid for by taxes on gasoline. Kevlar on soldiers is the actual closest thing to our income tax money being useful. Unemployment is paid for by the company the person is laid off or fired from. There is only a small percentage of people who deserve unemployment or welfare. MOST of our income tax money is being pumped into banks. If I do work for someone on my own I hold more value to that but I actually give away a lot for free because most of the time people appreciate it. An unappreciative company is one that will die out when shit gets bad. Smaller companies like mine will high turnover will fail sooner than later. The only reason this company exists here is because the general American is too lazy to want to figure out how to do something in web hosting their self. The German side of things have so many more customers, so many more products, and way less support. Once people start figuring out that they are throwing their money away for shit they can figure out with their own brains we won't be needed anymore. I'm just holding out until I find something better. I did see something closer to home that involves wiring and soldering, but I'd like to find out if that's just some monotonous assembly job and if there would ever be room to move up to actually create or repair stuff.

 

[sbiggi]

Poster boy for the entitlement generation.

 

[ramsack]

People are saying that the people who are supposed to be getting Social Security money when they retire but aren't or that they keep raising the age to retire are entitled idiots, but they aren't. By the time I'm old enough to retire there won't be any of that, so yeah, I feel entitled to what I earn NOW.

 

[born2tune]

oh yeah, if you dont like the hours, do like me join the ARMY, you dont get paid by the hour its by rank.

so when theres no work, you get sent home, mostly before lunch time. ive done the math on how many days i actually worked on 2008, 183 days!!! my paycheck is secure and steady. as of 2010 im @ 41k a year apprx. (not the best but definitely pays the bills.

 

[BoostedinSoFla]

Are you honestly crying because YOU CHOOSE to get their early?

What REAL job isn't like that? You have a set schedule.. If you want to be early, that's on you.. It makes you look like a better employee and there is much to gain from it but you'd be an idiot to actually be working before it was time to start. since when wasn't it good etiquette to be on site actually ready to work BEFORE the clock strikes?

The notion you feel that you should be paid to show up before you are scheduled to without being asked by your employer is asinine and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Bottom line, start when you are suppose to and stop when you are suppose to. If you are early all the time like you say, why would you need to "make up time"?

Tough sh*t, especially in this economy... If I have a set schedule for my workers I don't want some random guy deciding when he wants to clock in and messing up my budget and time table because he comes in when he wants and leaves when he wants and think I'm going to pay for it.

Now if your employer is MAKING/TELLING you to arrive early and leave late then there is a problem, if you're doing it on your own, deal with it on your own. A job doesn't and shouldn't have to cater to an employee for any reasons you mentioned. If it does, then you're lucky.

GTFO of here with this crybaby bullsh*t.

/rant.

The type of people who "don't take sh*t" are normally the type of people who don't whine about it either.. Just sayin' We're doers but realistic at the same time.

Pretty much summed up exactly what I was thinking. Stop your bitching and be lucky you have a job that pays you for "not doing shit" apparently. I have friends with degrees and experience that can't find work for shit.

 

[mike_tsi]

People are saying that the people who are supposed to be getting Social Security money when they retire but aren't or that they keep raising the age to retire are entitled idiots, but they aren't. By the time I'm old enough to retire there won't be any of that, so yeah, I feel entitled to what I earn NOW.

I feel you are changing the subject at this point. It went from showing up to work early to social security. ###. Suck it up and deal with it or quit. You are earning what you are suppose to be earning 8hours,and that is it DONE. For your complaining about sitting in your car and gas money. TURN the car off and sit there, It seems everything you say you want to be catered to just because you show up early. OH well, cry me a river.

 

[dsm8883]

Dude you have it so bad man, My brother is deployed and works 60 to 70 hours a week when he is home and gets paid the (same). Join the armed forces and see how good you have it. Some people would kill to have your job.

 

[ramsack]

Oh well stay out of the thread if you don't like it. This went from me asking advice to bashing me for hating my job to telling me I have no life. When you are paid for the time you are there you get paid for the time. When I earn 8 hours and 10 minutes in a day I expect it to not get shorted to 8 hours. That's blatant wrongdoing. It's not overtime unless it goes over 40 hours. We never had to use a time clock before. Now we do, with no sort of grandfathering in of new clauses. You change company policies you must notify and get people to sign shit. This isn't some under the table contractor job where one person owns the company and can make rules as they please or ignore all labor laws. There is a time clock for a REASON. To pay you the hours you work, not just to guess the hours or round them down. If they want to just FIGURE everyone gets 8 hours a day then don't have a damn time clock. The perfect system called the past. As I said before I misunderstood the boss because he is a total prick, and it seems that he will just punch in 40 hours no matter what, but this remains to be seen. And I demand respect if I give respect, which I do. When I get called names or am just treated like a dick of course I'm going to "bi***" or "cry" about it. You can all throw your stones, but just come here and try to deal with it. I invite someone to come murder me and take my job.

 

[dsmvr4182]

Hell sounds like the kid need to just quit since he doesnt give two shits. Must be nice to be able to live at your parents house im sure and cry about your pie job Grow up. TSIimage said it best.


I work at a office job i do jack shit all day. grow up stop thinking the world revolves around you and everyone should bend there needs to you. What is wrong with the new generation?

 

[ramsack]

I don't live at home...more assumptions. How do I expect the world to revolve around me? Quite the opposite. I could give two shits about myself, and I could give two shits about anyone else either. But I do care about getting compensated at my job for my time, fairly. Come to my job and spew off all your crap to everyone who has to use this retarded clock that they are all entitled losers. I'm the only person who works there that visits this forum, but if others that worked here did, they would agree with me, but also bash me because I do less than anyone else, but still agree with me that the company is being criminal in this aspect. Entitlement means you expect something for nothing. I am at work, so I expect to get paid for it. My time versus getting paid for it. My time is not nothing. Entitled people are the kind of pricks who go through life expecting to get jobs that require degrees and then cry about it. Like the guy on Step Brothers. His dad feels his son is an entitled loser because he only graduated high school and he expects to be a doctor like his dad because he thinks it's all about who you know. While the "who you know" thing is very true, it has nothing to do with jobs, but more with getting hook ups when doing deals. Life IS majorly about who you know, though. If you are born into richness you will be rich forever. You are born into an elite sect of the world and you will always have opportunities no matter how much of a crook or idiot you really are. If you are born into poverty you have to work your ass off to make a decent living, much less be rich. I guess I expect too much from this place. It's only 50 miles away, but between those 50 miles are huge changes in culture. There are no farms near work. No family-owned businesses. Just all big corporate chain crap! Where I come from maybe people feel more entitled to things because we get respected and treated fairly by the jobs there.

 

[dsmvr4182]

Oh well stay out of the thread if you don't like it. This went from me asking advice to bashing me for hating my job to telling me I have no life. When you are paid for the time you are there you get paid for the time. When I earn 8 hours and 10 minutes in a day I expect it to not get shorted to 8 hours. That's blatant wrongdoing. It's not overtime unless it goes over 40 hours. We never had to use a time clock before. Now we do, with no sort of grandfathering in of new clauses. You change company policies you must notify and get people to sign shit. This isn't some under the table contractor job where one person owns the company and can make rules as they please or ignore all labor laws. There is a time clock for a REASON. To pay you the hours you work, not just to guess the hours or round them down. If they want to just FIGURE everyone gets 8 hours a day then don't have a damn time clock. The perfect system called the past. As I said before I misunderstood the boss because he is a total prick, and it seems that he will just punch in 40 hours no matter what, but this remains to be seen. And I demand respect if I give respect, which I do. When I get called names or am just treated like a dick of course I'm going to "bi***" or "cry" about it. You can all throw your stones, but just come here and try to deal with it. I invite someone to come murder me and take my job.

They do not have to get you to sign anything. Instead of hoping everyone is working there 8 hour shift like they use to think. They got smart so people couldnt just do what you use to do and show up and work 8 hours and leave when you want. No the time clock is there to make sure your clocking in and out at the correct time. Not showing up when you want and leave when you want. Hell if i was your boss and you was doing that BS clocking in when you get there early. I would have already let you go. why should a company pay if you clock in before you set time and work. They did not tell you to do so. You are doing so at your own risk trying to milk the clock and company for more money. Yeah they do have to pay you for you time but they can also fire you for not following the company rules they set. Then that way they do not have to give you unemployment. Cause you could not follow the rules.

Welcome to the real world. I would recommend getting helmet cause its not all stuffed animals and ballons like you think.

 

[wishin4nX]

You seriously said you do less work, and you are still crying?

If you are there early (by choice) then work out,clean your car, clean yourself up, manage your finances, write a book, or do something.

You want advice? Go eat razor blades with your cereal.

 

[ramsack]

What world do you live in where if a company changes policies it doesn't have to notify the employees or have them sign anything? Every single place I worked at had to do that even if changing one word in something as simple as the dress code. The rules from paychex are a 10 minute window. You can punch in 10 minutes before your scheduled start time.

Here is an example of what I'm pissed about:

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Monday I can come in any time between 8 AM and 10 AM, this is OK'd already through my boss. Tuesday I was here 7 minutes early, clearly within the RULES. But oh, I wanted to make up that time from the day before. But no, only 8 hours. You can do the math and see it should be 8 hours and 10 minutes.

How am I here early by choice? I have no control over traffic, so not my choice. If I had special powers to fly to work in a seconds I would leave my house at 9:59 AM, or to predict traffic and leave to be here at exactly 10 AM. My boss already says he doesn't give a shit if people get here early, just punch in later and lose the time so he can go to HR and get these rules removed from the payroll system. I have such an issue with HR, which is what's wrong with every industry. The people are crazy. It's definitely not a job of passion.

I do the work I'm required to, which is less than most people here have to do, but I do what I'm required to do.

 

[wishin4nX]

Just out of curiousity, how long have you worked there?

Any promotions yet?

 

[ramsack]

I started April 12 this year. When my 90 days passed I got no review or anything. No one gets yearly reviews. People get bonuses, but it is entirely opinionated. Promotions aren't given. They just lay more responsibility on people without telling them of a title change or change in pay. It's really quite mis-managed.

 

[LandoAWD]

There is a time clock for a REASON. To pay you the hours you work

*buzzer*

It's to keep employees honest.

I started April 12 this year. When my 90 days passed I got no review or anything. No one gets yearly reviews. People get bonuses, but it is entirely opinionated. Promotions aren't given. They just lay more responsibility on people without telling them of a title change or change in pay. It's really quite mis-managed.

Holy shit...is this your first job?

 

[ramsack]

*buzzer*

It's to keep employees honest.

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And is Thursday honest? No. And anyway, anyone can just punch in at home if they wanted to. It's a web-based time clock. I know all about the real world and what to expect. I'm not stupid. I'm also honest and expect honesty back. If I clock in honestly like I attempted to do, I expect my hours to be calculated honestly.

 

[thomcasey]

I come in 5-30 minutes BEFORE my scheduled start time. If I knew what traffic would lie ahead of me each morning for 50 miles I could be here at exactly 10:00 AM, but this is the real world. I've never heard of such a thing where arriving to a job early and getting paid for it is frowned upon, or trying to even make up a lost few minutes over the week is frowned upon. The "boss" is some spoiled brat on salary who respects no one. It never mattered until they changed this stupid pay roll system, and no one had to sign anything about these changes... I like to build up time during the week so I can leave a little early on Friday.

Companies call it "milking the clock". When it causes overtime, it gets frowned upon. They do not have to have you sign anything. My company just changed how we get paid. IN doing so, my first 2011 patcheck will be 1/2 what it usually is so they can hold 1 week of pay back. The only way to fight it is to "vote with my feet". Just as you can do.

 

[LandoAWD]

I'm also honest and expect honesty back. If I clock in honestly like I attempted to do, I expect my hours to be calculated honestly.

They were. You're trying to exploit the system over 10minutes of pay...not them. Do you not see ANY of your personal responsibility in this? Seriously?

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And is Thursday honest? No.

Uh yeah. You have an 8 hr cap an worked over. Rather than deal with labor laws on overtime, they expect their employee to work 8 hrs. It's painfully simple.

 

[ramsack]

Milking the clock would be sitting in a break room without punching out waiting for the day to end. Milking the clock could even be doing something that isn't normal day to day requirements such as sweeping an area twice. with a broom. Looking busy is milking the clock.

How am I trying to exploit the system out of 10 minutes of pay? Seriously? Can you do math? I clearly said the RULES HERE state that you can punch in up to 10 minutes before your scheduled time. If you punch in you are on the clock. If I would have punched out at 5:53 I would have got less than 8 hours. How is this so hard to understand. The time clock system has no trouble being honest when you are here less than 8 hours, but when you stay working to make up a couple minutes here and there it screws you out of time. I wonder what universe people are from here. 9:53 to 18:03 is 8:10 or 8.16/8.17 hours! How does an 8-hour cap not fall into labor laws? I wouldn't give a shit if there was a 40 hour cap, but an 8-hour cap is retarded. I don't understand how a cap can be legal at all if the system LOGS the exact times you are punching but just discards any time over 8.

 

[LandoAWD]

I find it hard to believe that this is so complicated for you, and think you're doing this for some troll-related reason. More funny is your jab at my "math". I'm fully capable of understanding time AND numbers, however you're incapable of understanding any point being made that doesn't jive with your...errr..."unique" world views.

Does the system let you clock in early? Yep. Will you get paid if you work 7:50-5 for 8:10...nope. Clock out at 4:50 or take the hit. Better yet clock in and out ON TIME.