My Crower Valvesprings failed

[TSimage]

Are you done gloating, or do you feel the need to call all your friends and tell them that you were right, and some guy on the internet was wrong?

I possibly could be done, not sure yet.

My qualm is that people try to reinvent the wheel a lot and then get upset when something doesn't work. A lot of us have been around the block more than enough times and can give newer guys such as yourself great advice on how NOT to fk your stuff up. Things many of us have learned through either experience, other known cases or trial and error. There is no reason we should have failed at something only to learn an expensive lesson then sadly, for the new generation of guys to make us look bad by disregarding what we already know and adding to the fickle stereotype that DSMs are unreliable when 95% of the time its the owner. the other 5% simply deals with the age of these cars and conditions. Hell we have pulled Junkyard motors and ran 10s with em personally.

Which i have said multiple times.

The purpose of this thread was not to blame Crower for my loss after pushing limits.

My only intent was to let people know that these springs are no better than OEM, and do not perform in a manner consistent with their marketing.

Check your thread title... It is misleading. Bottom line is the Crowers DO offer an improvement over OEM. Just enough to safely take cams that many run on OEM springs and be able to rev them higher.

This is a fact.

These springs have been around for ages and have been tested on all sorts of things. Your single solitary findings wont by themselves refute that. you had a 16g setup with 264/272s... I've ran 35r and 40r setups on Crower (hell even OEM) revving damn high (9-9.5K) just fine on FP3s, FP2xs and even FP3sI wouldnt have dare done the FP3s or 2Xs on OEMs and when we tested the valve train it was indeed an improvement that was actually closer to 20% than the advertised 15%.

There is a possibility running those Kelfords could have fatigued the springs, ya never know. The REAL lesson that people should learn from your mistakes is not to go around thinking that you're new and know more about the Arc than Noah, the second you do you're liable to sink. From the get go it seemed as if you had NO idea just how big those Kelford cams were compared to the tiny 264/272 HKS setup you came from, I guess ya know now .

The springs are great, cheap, and PROVEN. they do their job and have done so for a long time now. Hopefully this time around you've learned something and you'll have a properly built car next time.

I wish you the best bro.

 

[BigBeans]

here is no reason we should have failed at something only to learn an expensive lesson then sadly, for the new generation of guys to make us look bad by disregarding what we already know and adding to the fickle stereotype that DSMs are unreliable when 95% of the time its the owner.

Oh, it was me. The under-performing springs certainly didn't help, but they didn't mismatch themselves either.

Check your thread title... It is misleading. Bottom line is the Crowers DO offer an improvement over OEM. Just enough to safely take cams that many run on OEM springs and be able to rev them higher.

This is a fact.

Is that primarily due to the reduced retainer weight?

These springs have been around for ages and have been tested on all sorts of things. Your single solitary findings wont by themselves refute that. you had a 16g setup with 264/272s... I've ran 35r and 40r setups on Crower (hell even OEM) revving damn high (9-9.5K) just fine on FP3s, FP2xs and even FP3sI wouldnt have dare done the FP3s or 2Xs on OEMs and when we tested the valve train it was indeed an improvement that was actually closer to 20% than the advertised 15%.

Improvement in what? We know the lightweight retainers will allow for more rpm, and the springs will tolerate more lift, but according to the math by Bogus, even if they meet spec the tension will only be about stock.

There is a possibility running those Kelfords could have fatigued the springs, ya never know. The REAL lesson that people should learn from your mistakes is not to go around thinking that you're new and know more about the Arc than Noah, the second you do you're liable to sink. From the get go it seemed as if you had NO idea just how big those Kelford cams were compared to the tiny 264/272 HKS setup you came from, I guess ya know now .

The setup made it 20 minutes coy, and is well within the max lift spec for the kelfords. Any fatigue had to be from the HKS cams.

I knew how big they are, i wouldn't have bought them if they were only a mild increase. The 16G has been gone for awhile, so i've been slowly changing the setup to work with the current turbo, hence the big cams.

I wish you the best bro.

Thanks.

The car will be back together soon enough.

 

[turboglenn]

For clarification, these are Crower, NOT Brian Crower.


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glad you pointed that out cause i take my 264/272 with BC springs and retainers to 9k daily and yesterday when i checked the head bolt torque they were all in good order thankfully

 

[TSimage]

glad you pointed that out cause i take my 264/272 with BC springs and retainers to 9k daily and yesterday when i checked the head bolt torque they were all in good order thankfully

Please learn to read or GTFO already.. This has been covered a MILLION tiems in this thread alone.

Brian Crower products are PROVEN junk... Look up the name and you will see multiple issues with springs and cams.

Crower however is a standup company and makes some of the best products for our cars. This case was a rare occurrence and partially (i.e. mostly/probably) owner induced.

You are worse off with your BC springs than someone to stock, which I too have taken to over 9K so go figure..

 

[GORBS88]

Please learn to read or GTFO already.. This has been covered a MILLION tiems in this thread alone.

Brian Crower products are PROVEN junk... Look up the name and you will see multiple issues with springs and cams.

Crower however is a standup company and makes some of the best products for our cars. This case was a rare occurrence and partially (i.e. mostly/probably) owner induced.

You are worse off with your BC springs than someone to stock, which I too have taken to over 9K so go figure..

WOW! Settle down!!

Actually have read tonnes of good stuff about BC cams and yet to hear all this "JUNK" talk you bring up...
I don't know anything about their springs but DON'T bash their known good cams..The crap your saying is how companies and vendors get bad names for NO REASON at all.

 

[jjgrizz73]

WOW! Settle down!!

Actually have read tonnes of good stuff about BC cams and yet to hear all this "JUNK" talk you bring up...
I don't know anything about their springs but DON'T bash their known good cams..The crap your saying is how companies and vendors get bad names for NO REASON at all.

Dont know much about their springs on my end but known good cams? Every test Ive ever seen ended up with BC cams under-performing the competition. Where have you been reading?

Back on topic though, OP, sorry to hear about your car. Its tough trying to put the blame on anything since they were not being used in the proper way but either way goodluck with your new setup man!

 

[GORBS88]

Dont know much about their springs on my end but known good cams? Every test Ive ever seen ended up with BC cams under-performing the competition. Where have you been reading?

Back on topic though, OP, sorry to hear about your car. Its tough trying to put the blame on anything since they were not being used in the proper way but either way goodluck with your new setup man!

Well i'm not going to get into a pissing match on here and take the thread over, but i have been searching for the last HOUR on this forum and yet to see ANYONE crying about how these cams are JUNK!
They function GREAT for the price. You CAN'T compare them to the kelford cam of the same "272" rating cause the kelfords have WAAAY more lift.. Sooooo comparing these cams to other cams of the SAME lift and duration they perform GREAT!! especially for the price.

 

[300dollarGSX]

Interesting. I'm using the Crower spring and retainer kit with my Comp 101200 cams. I've been using them for years. Depending on how much coolant I loose once I get the car back on the road, I'll be bringing my head to BogusSVO to check. If it doesn't push much coolant, then it won't be until early next year, but if it pushes too much for my liking, he'll see it in a couple of months or so. Maybe we can provide more data then.

 

[BigBeans]

This case was a rare occurrence and partially (i.e. mostly/probably) owner induced.

There is absolutely nothing i did to these springs to cause premature fatigue. They were never used with more than advertised max lift (not even close), and never with rpm over 7700.

Back on topic though, OP, sorry to hear about your car. Its tough trying to put the blame on anything since they were not being used in the proper way but either way goodluck with your new setup man!

I'm not trying to blame Crower for the failure. In hindsight, this setup was destined to crash and burn even if the springs met spec.

My concern however, is that due to marketing, people are using these springs under what appears to be a false pretense. Crower claims 15% increased tension. I don't have the opportunity to test a new set, but my slightly (and properly) used set is nowhere near their figure.

Thanks for the wishes. I can't wait to have it back together!

Interesting. I'm using the Crower spring and retainer kit with my Comp 101200 cams. I've been using them for years. Depending on how much coolant I loose once I get the car back on the road, I'll be bringing my head to BogusSVO to check. If it doesn't push much coolant, then it won't be until early next year, but if it pushes too much for my liking, he'll see it in a couple of months or so. Maybe we can provide more data then.

I'd love to see more data.

I'm not trying to badmouth a product because of my stupidity, but i want people to be aware that in my personal experience, the product's performance does not match the claims.

 

[TSimage]

WOW! Settle down!!

Actually have read tonnes of good stuff about BC cams and yet to hear all this "JUNK" talk you bring up...
I don't know anything about their springs but DON'T bash their known good cams..The crap your saying is how companies and vendors get bad names for NO REASON at all.

You can hop on a ferry with the other guy and GTFO, you obviously have no idea wtf you are talking about either...

 

[GORBS88]

You can hop on a ferry with the other guy and GTFO, you obviously have no idea wtf you are talking about either...

If you have NOTHING construtive to add to this thread then SHUT IT!

 

[TSimage]

If you have NOTHING construtive to add to this thread then SHUT IT!

Then why are you even posting in this thread? You have no expertise on the matter so as I mentioned before, go away.

 

[GORBS88]

Then why are you even posting in this thread? You have no expertise on the matter so as I mentioned before, go away.

HAHA!

If you go back and read you will realize that you didn't post anymore useful info in this thread then i did!
All YOU did was come on here and bash on the OP and laugh in his face! So take your own advise!

 

[TSimage]

HAHA!

If you go back and read you will realize that you didn't post anymore useful info in this thread then i did!
All YOU did was come on here and bash on the OP and laugh in his face! So take your own advise!

We get it, you are but hurt because your budget built car runs BC272s.. Ok, get over it and move along. Try to find someone you know more than or have accomplished more than and possibly you can persuade them to think you aren't full of sh*t.

Life goes on.

 

[kmj 4g63t]

We get it, you are but hurt because your budget built car runs BC272s.. Ok, get over it and move along. Try to find someone you know more than or have accomplished more than and possibly you can persuade them to think you aren't full of sh*t.

Life goes on.

HAHAHA I love this guy, as much as you guys think he's straight up bashing you. He isn't REALLY! All he's saying is that, just because you own the product DOES NOT mean that it's the best. I own bc272's but I bought my car with them, if it were up to me I would of bought hks regrinds.
You think defiant would be all nice and caring to you if he saw this thread?


A lot of us have budgets though, that we really wouldn't like to exceed. But owning a dsm you always end up doing MORE then you want.

 

[GORBS88]

We get it, you are but hurt because your budget built car runs BC272s.. Ok, get over it and move along. Try to find someone you know more than or have accomplished more than and possibly you can persuade them to think you aren't full of sh*t.

Life goes on.

Don't Get me wrong, I don't think that BC cams are the best JUST because i run them, i NEVER said that. You ARE correct in saying there are better cams out there but i just don't agree that the BC crower cams are CRAP like some people stated.
The cams are GREAT for the price and most people know that, but thats just it.. "great for the price". NOT everyone has to have the biggest and the best of everything, some people only need these cams as they can take you along way.

And just so you know i am looking in upgrading my cams so somthing abit bigger for my set-up. Meaning that these cams were PERFECT for what i WAS doing but i'm now looking at going further and NEED something bigger or better.

 

[TSimage]

HAHAHA I love this guy, as much as you guys think he's straight up bashing you. He isn't REALLY! All he's saying is that, just because you own the product DOES NOT mean that it's the best. I own bc272's but I bought my car with them, if it were up to me I would of bought hks regrinds.
You think defiant would be all nice and caring to you if he saw this thread?


A lot of us have budgets though, that we really wouldn't like to exceed. But owning a dsm you always end up doing MORE then you want.

Nice to see someone gets it.

Don't Get me wrong, I don't think that BC cams are the best JUST because i run them, i NEVER said that. You ARE correct in saying there are better cams out there but i just don't agree that the BC crower cams are CRAP like some people stated.
The cams are GREAT for the price and most people know that, but thats just it.. "great for the price". NOT everyone has to have the biggest and the best of everything, some people only need these cams as they can take you along way.

And just so you know i am looking in upgrading my cams so somthing abit bigger for my set-up. Meaning that these cams were PERFECT for what i WAS doing but i'm now looking at going further and NEED something bigger or better.

Well there ya go buddy. I'll admit I was a little "harsh" in getting my point across but the main one I was making is that when you compare Crowers track record to BC you will find that Crower makes a superior product to BC. I was just shedding light to those who came in here saying "ZZ! Goo thing I havz da BCz, I mus b saf' y0!" Well no, no you're not... There have me more part failures reported with BCs than Crower. I'm jus' sayin.

And BCs are still great for the price, I whole heartedly agree. I believe Delta right now is your best bang for the buck however. They offer grinds that have been proven thus far at a fraction of the price. (I just noticed that Delta needs to write me up a sponsorship, I'm always doin' their dirty work..) but at the end of the day, we all just wanna go fast and I'd love for people not to have to make the same mistakes I made during my various builds. If the OP would have listened to me in the first place, this thread would have never happened and he wouldn't be out of a head. Hell, he'd be at a track somewhere right now with cash in his pocket running some good times.

It is what it is.

 

[GORBS88]

Nice to see someone gets it.






Well there ya go buddy. I'll admit I was a little "harsh" in getting my point across but the main one I was making is that when you compare Crowers track record to BC you will find that Crower makes a superior product to BC. I was just shedding light to those who came in here saying "ZZ! Goo thing I havz da BCz, I mus b saf' y0!" Well no, no you're not... There have me more part failures reported with BCs than Crower. I'm jus' sayin.

And BCs are still great for the price, I whole heartedly agree. I believe Delta right now is your best bang for the buck however. They offer grinds that have been proven thus far at a fraction of the price. (I just noticed that Delta needs to write me up a sponsorship, I'm always doin' their dirty work..) but at the end of the day, we all just wanna go fast and I'd love for people not to have to make the same mistakes I made during my various builds. If the OP would have listened to me in the first place, this thread would have never happened and he wouldn't be out of a head. Hell, he'd be at a track somewhere right now with cash in his pocket running some good times.

It is what it is.

Now that's somthing that we can agree on, well said!

 

[Ludachris]

Some of you need to check the tone of your posts and remember that we don't allow people to flame and act disrespectful here. If you want to talk shit to people, do it elsewhere.

 

[daren_p]

Well I'll just post up, I've been very happy with my Crower springs & retainers for my FP1X cams. The 1X cams are basically a "super duty" "264" cam, in that same duration at the FP1 cams but have the lift of the FP2 cams & an increased ramp rate. I rev mine to 7750 daily (was 7500 before last summer) for the past 4-5 years, summer driven. Last time I was at the track I missed a 4th gear shift for the second time & was so PO'd at myself I somehow managed to put it in 2nd! It was just for a split second but it did pull my rpms to 10200 according to my log . Needless to say I was happy when valves & pistons didn't meet .