Just bought my first eclipse!

[Tifflusk]

Well about a week ago I bought a 1998 eclipse RS with some aftermarket parts like turbo, blow off valve etc. It also has a apexi thing on the steering wheel. Well it drove good when we test drove it and the very next day my husband noticed a sound in the engine in which he thought a rod was knocking. We took it to the mitsubishi dealer, they started it up and said yep, engines junk. Well now I am so confused what to do. I have found a decent priced rebuild motor. Now I don't know what to do with all that aftermarket stuff. I live in middle MI and no one around here works on that kind of stuff. Also that apexi thing I have no idea how to adjust it for my car. The dealer said that could be why its chugging too, becasue of the air fuel mixture. They said they have no idea how to work on anything after market. Any suggestions?????

 

[Mikael]

Not a car to be taking to the dealer. Try and find a local member who might help you out for cheap. And get a second opinion on the engine, a car that drives doesn't have a junk motor. One part is bad, not the whole thing.

 

[02BLUR]

thats all they said ? its junk? No details?

 

[Tifflusk]

they said they think its a rod or piston

 

[jibberishballr]

if its a private party and they gave it to you telling you there were no problems you might be able to get some money for them misleading you..hehe...

Id have a rebuild i guess...thats the only other solution

 

[Tifflusk]

yeah it was private party, they made sure they wrote AS IS on the paper work, is that still something that could be fraudelent?

 

[02BLUR]

Ugh. What a pain in the butt...If you pay for the rebuilt motor, now you have n/t again...maybe fix it, sell it, by a turbo Eclipse thats in good shape (they are still out there). I would not pay to rebuild...So throw some 90W oil in the motor and sell it... All good used car salesmen do that...

 

[Eclipse98_RS]

I bought my 98 GS-T from a private party and he told me the car was in perfect shape. Turns out the downpipe was rubbing on the oil filter and it punched a hole in it. I ended up getting money from him to fix it, but only because i kept everything he ever sent me on msn. If you have any statements from the person you bought it from saying the car was in good shape you might be able to get some money, otherwise id say you are kinda screwed. Try finding some shops around your area, im sure michigan has at least one shop that could look at it.

 

[Tifflusk]

one problem I have though is all the after market stuff If I decide to drop a rebuild in it, will I still be able to use the aftermarket turbo, etc.I really don't know much about aftermarket stuff. I have a 1990 eagle Talon TSI AWD and it is just all stock turbo.The dealer said I should take that Apexi thing off it, what do you think?

 

[02BLUR]

You can use the aftermarket parts, but its a big job. I'm sorry , I think its just a big waste of time to do any more to that car. Sell it to someone. Lesson learned. Get that 90 Tsi running that has MUCH more potential...Even if you drive it sane, its a better car...

 

[Tifflusk]

now is it possible to drop a turbo engine in this?

 

[TalonESIT]

Hey I saw this thread and i'd love to help but I live all the way in las vegas... I have a talon esi with a turbo conversion. I bought a whole rebuilt engine and built that one instead, because when I first bought this car it already had about 130,000 miles on it. I was messing around with the old motor but I really don't see myself rebuilding it, for a turbo, anymore. It ran perfect before I took it out just don't need it anymore. PM me for more details because I would be more than happy to give you the motor for free, if you just pay for shipping.

Just PM me and I will take some pictures and give you more info about the motor if you're interested...

 

[TalonESIT]

now is it possible to drop a turbo engine in this?

If you search these forums you will see that swapping to a turbo motor is not advisable and not worth it, very expensive compared to selling your car and buying a turbo model. The two engines have two completely different ways of mounting into the engine bay =(... sorry

 

[jibberishballr]

one problem I have though is all the after market stuff If I decide to drop a rebuild in it, will I still be able to use the aftermarket turbo, etc.I really don't know much about aftermarket stuff. I have a 1990 eagle Talon TSI AWD and it is just all stock turbo.The dealer said I should take that Apexi thing off it, what do you think?

You have a 90 TSI AWD!!! Id be putting my money into that. It has much more potential. Did you get a 98 because you like the look better?

 

[SloWPanda]

your best bet is to buy another 420a and just maintain it or swap over the turbo parts after maintance ( timming belt, waterpump, ps belt, etc.)
i bought my N/T motor for $200. with only 62k on it.(so they are cheap ones out there)
what turbo and supporting mods do you have?

 

[spyderturbo007]

Please do not remove the "Apexi thing" on the dash. It is most likely a SAFC. This allows the user to modify the fuel delivery to the motor through manipulation of the MAS signal to the ECU. It is normally used to compensate for larger fuel injectors, which I'm guessing that you have (But without looking I can't tell for sure).

As far as the motor, I would look in your area for a reputable speed shop and see what they think. The dealer has a tendancy to tell you anything when they have no idea what's going on. The most likely heard a noise, saw the turbo modification and decided to tell you it's junk. A speed shop will have more of an idea of what the problem is and can point you in the right direction.

Good luck and post back if you have any questions.

 

[4UH8ERS]

Please do not remove the "Apexi thing" on the dash. It is most likely a SAFC. This allows the user to modify the fuel delivery to the motor through manipulation of the MAS signal to the ECU. It is normally used to compensate for larger fuel injectors, which I'm guessing that you have (But without looking I can't tell for sure).

Only problem is the 420a does not have a MAS. You run SAFC from the MAP sensor in the 420a and its practically useless. outside of leaning out the fuel on idle.
Stay away from the safcII on the 420a when boosting, because the S-AFC works by modifying the stock MAP signal. As you know, since our cars are naturally aspirated from the factory, our MAP sensors only operate in the vacuum range. Hence, the S-AFC can make changes to the fuel curve under vaccum, but while in boost, it's relatively useless since the fuel curve is now being modified by other means (FMU, S-FMU, MS, etc.).

Whether your car needs an FCD or not isn't relavant because either way, the S-AFC is only effective in the vacuum range, where the FCD isn't even activated.

ohh BTW. Dealers will Own you! stay away from them. They have screwed many people i know, and i simply asked them why they didn't ask a second opinion. Ask around your local area and find a trustworthy mechanic.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

As you know, since our cars are naturally aspirated from the factory, our MAP sensors only operate in the vacuum range. Hence, the S-AFC can make changes to the fuel curve under vaccum, but while in boost, it's relatively useless since the fuel curve is now being modified by other means (FMU, S-FMU, MS, etc.).

Whether your car needs an FCD or not isn't relavant because either way, the S-AFC is only effective in the vacuum range, where the FCD isn't even activated.

This strangely sounds like something I wrote once before... plagiarism=bad

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Here's my advice. Take TalonESIT up on his offer, and have his motor shipped to you (under $150). Take your car and the engine to a local, independant shop and have them install it. If they're good, it can be done in two to three days. You shouldn't pay more than $1500 - $2000, tops for this.

Of course, have them diagnose the problem and give you their opinion first (even before taking TalonESIT's motor). If it is a cracked piston, they might be able to replace it (without pulling the motor) and hone the cylinder wall for less money. If it is a spun bearing, pay them for swapping the engines and be done. You can even sell the busted block on 2GNT to someone looking to start a build project.


To everyone suggesting she focus her energies on the car with "more potential," stop it. Stay on topic.

 

[4UH8ERS]

This strangely sounds like something I wrote once before... plagiarism=bad

! you did write and it is very informative. so I like to use to clear things up for people.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

! you did write and it is very informative. so I like to use to clear things up for people.

That's ok, just put this at the end of all my quotes:
"-(R)2003-2006 VelocitàPaola"

 

[spyderturbo007]

Only problem is the 420a does not have a MAS. You run SAFC from the MAP sensor in the 420a and its practically useless. outside of leaning out the fuel on idle.
Stay away from the safcII on the 420a when boosting, because the S-AFC works by modifying the stock MAP signal. As you know, since our cars are naturally aspirated from the factory, our MAP sensors only operate in the vacuum range. Hence, the S-AFC can make changes to the fuel curve under vaccum, but while in boost, it's relatively useless since the fuel curve is now being modified by other means (FMU, S-FMU, MS, etc.).

Whether your car needs an FCD or not isn't relavant because either way, the S-AFC is only effective in the vacuum range, where the FCD isn't even activated.

ohh BTW. Dealers will Own you! stay away from them. They have screwed many people i know, and i simply asked them why they didn't ask a second opinion. Ask around your local area and find a trustworthy mechanic.

Thanks for the info! I had no idea there was such a difference in the air metering system between the GS & the GST. I assumed that they would be the same. I'm going to go back to my corner and take my foot out of my mouth. Please excuse me for a minute.

 

[Tifflusk]

So after all this, is it a good idea to talk off my SAFC II.

 

[TalonESIT]

So after all this, is it a good idea to talk off my SAFC II.

In a short answer we would say yes, but if you don't know what size injectors your running, and you put the same ones back in, you car may not start if they are a lot bigger than stock. Get some stock injectors if your going back to a stock system, I have extra stocks if you want them(i'll ship them to you at no cost if you need them), and take off that safc.

 

[Tifflusk]

would it be helpful if I uploaded some pictures of the inside dash part and the engine?