Jake H's 1G Rear Wheel Drive Build

[topstreet]

That would be something to see if you cut the front axles to make a rwd..

Thanks though!

Mr Peepers- Its good to hear that there are aspects of the "moderate rwd" build that you prefer. I feel like I had many of the all out drag car aspects (not all, but many) and I am ready for something that is more fun... Even if it doesnt break records. I am only starting the project though so be patient for the build pics! Tomorrow I am going to pick up a sheet metal bender so I can start on the intake manifold, and fuel cell.

Paul V- I will give you a call to bs later, but I am glad you are happy with the setup.

Jake Hanhardt

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Sweet project! I obviously have a soft spot in my heart for the RWD DSMs now. My car is definitely track only, but for some street fun that the cops won't easily notice, I took the easy route and bought a super clean 88 mighty max. It's also getting a GM auto tranny (4 speed) and some other parts similar to the RWD. Should be done soon, it's nearly there. The only thing that steered me away from the bolt on 5 speed options is that they will all break eventually. I'm getting to old to be swapping trannies all day like I had to with the 2g.

I'm looking forward to seeing the progress on this car, especially the rear suspension, motor mounts, etc. Good luck! It's gonna be a blast when it's all done.

 

[92awddsm]

Whats up with the 6 lug axles?

 

[topstreet]

Sweet project! I obviously have a soft spot in my heart for the RWD DSMs now. My car is definitely track only, but for some street fun that the cops won't easily notice, I took the easy route and bought a super clean 88 mighty max. It's also getting a GM auto tranny (4 speed) and some other parts similar to the RWD. Should be done soon, it's nearly there. The only thing that steered me away from the bolt on 5 speed options is that they will all break eventually. I'm getting to old to be swapping trannies all day like I had to with the 2g.

I'm looking forward to seeing the progress on this car, especially the rear suspension, motor mounts, etc. Good luck! It's gonna be a blast when it's all done.

Thanks Kevin!

Hey... In your opinion, how well does the might max (mainly thinking about the trans) hold up to some extra power? Keeping in mind the weight.

The 4 link is going to go together right after I get the axles and brakes done.


92awddsm- The axles I am using are 6 lug in their stock form. I am going to stick them in the lathe to cut down the OD and then remachine the hubcentric for the rotors. After this they are getting sent to Moser engineering to get "pluged and redrilled" for 5 lug. You noticed the lug pattern before I could get the work done. The pics will be up before you know it.

Jake Hanhardt

 

[Kevin Jewer]

MM tranny is very weak. Starion internals are stronger but will still break eventually, and they aren't making any more of them. And this is pretty sad when you consider that you don't get much traction and the truck only weighs ~2600 lbs. A DSM with the same tranny would break even sooner. The EVO drivetrain starting in 05 is damn near bullet proof though as far as 5 speeds go, but of course it doesn't help us in a RWD application at all. From here on out it's all auto trannies for me.

 

[KYNgsx]

What kind of rear axle is that? 4wd Toyota truck? Those can handle a ton of abuse. 2wd axles are 5 bolt and swap right in.

 

[Car_guy_09]

That thing looks way to big to be out of a Toyota IMO Im guessing its a Ford 9inch or something along those lines. Could be wrong though.....

 

[RipperXX]

Looks like a ford 9" to me. They use a flange & bolts to hold the axles in place where as Chevrolet rear ends use C clips for example. I do not know what the Toyota rear looks like, so it's only an educated guess though.

 

[topstreet]

MM tranny is very weak. Starion internals are stronger but will still break eventually, and they aren't making any more of them. And this is pretty sad when you consider that you don't get much traction and the truck only weighs ~2600 lbs. A DSM with the same tranny would break even sooner. The EVO drivetrain starting in 05 is damn near bullet proof though as far as 5 speeds go, but of course it doesn't help us in a RWD application at all. From here on out it's all auto trannies for me.

Thats too bad that they are so weak... I might set the thing up for the supra 5 speed then. It would work well for making a driveshaft then, because I have the end yoke of one of these already. Thanks for the info Kevin!

This is a Toyota IFS 4x4 V6 rear axle. They use a 8" ring gear in a removable third memeber. These are 30 spline 1.250" axles. Ford 9"s are 28 or 31 spline from the factory. For a car that only weighs 2500lbs and is not using a trans break or anything like that... This will hold up great. This is the same size as Supra independant rear axles. The dsm only uses 1" axles stock.

I will go into more detail when I get there, but this is going to suit my needs (weight, strenth, cost, parts availability, size, ect.) exactly the way I want it to.

Jake Hanhardt

 

[92awddsm]

92awddsm- The axles I am using are 6 lug in their stock form. I am going to stick them in the lathe to cut down the OD and then remachine the hubcentric for the rotors. After this they are getting sent to Moser engineering to get "pluged and redrilled" for 5 lug. You noticed the lug pattern before I could get the work done. The pics will be up before you know it.

Jake Hanhardt

I assume it is a relatively cheap process? I know Moser will build custom axles pretty cheap. I know they are less than half of Strange or Mark Williams counterparts.

 

[topstreet]

Strange isnt all that bad. I might have them do it if I cant find the 2wd ones cheap enough. Moser lists it on there website as $85/pair to do the plug and redrill.... I dont exactly know what they mean by plug, but I trust them. Otherwise, a custom set would be right around $300.

HERE ARE SOME RWD TOP MOUNT EXHAUST MANIFOLD TEASER PICS!!!

SORRY!!! Forgot to add that I used the 42R for mock up purposes. I am still planning on using a T4 35R.

Jake Hanhardt

 

[92awddsm]

Strange isnt all that bad. I might have them do it if I cant find the 2wd ones cheap enough. Moser lists it on there website as $85/pair to do the plug and redrill.... I dont exactly know what they mean by plug, but I trust them. Otherwise, a custom set would be right around $300.



Jake Hanhardt

I thought $300 for axles was budget. Have you priced Fidanza or Driveshaft shop lately on stock replacement axles?WTF

IIRC, they are plugeed by spay weld and remachined. That was 7-8 yrs ago so they might have changed the process since then.

 

[topstreet]

Thanks for the info.

I am very aware of the prices on some of these "stock style" axle upgrades. Thats the major reason I am doing this the way I am. Half because I want to keep it low cost, and half to prove that it can be done. I am not really saying IT CAN! I am saying I think it can be done.

Jake Hanhardt

 

[RipperXX]

How do you plan on getting the shifter to line up correctly with the MKIII Supra tranny?

 

[15 sec gs]

not trying to steal your thread or anything, +1 on the amazing build but is there anyone who makes a manifold like that with the mitsubishi flange please pm with response incase i lose the message i am very interested and i think that would look amazing.

thanks in advance
mike

once again +1 on the build

 

[90laserRSfwd]

is there anyone who makes a manifold like that with the mitsubishi flange

Jake does... or could, depends how good you are at sweet talking, and getting a hold of him

 

[15 sec gs]

i figured that much i would love to have that sooooooo much

 

[Marc91GSX]

Jake,

Its been awhile since I have been on there but you might want to check out Project Zero G's forums. There was a guy over there building bell housings for the T56 transmissions which are alot stronger than R154 transmission.

 

[topstreet]

How do you plan on getting the shifter to line up correctly with the MKIII Supra tranny?

I am not entirely sure what you are asking. I am going to be cutting a hole in the floor and sneaking the shifter through there. If I need to custom make a shifter that will fit better, I can do that to. I guess the best answer is that I havent planned it all out yet. Some of this stuff gets designed, then redesigned as it is getting built if I find a better way to do it.

Jake does... or could, depends how good you are at sweet talking, and getting a hold of him

This is the important one!!! Shoot me an email. [email protected]

Jake,

Its been awhile since I have been on there but you might want to check out Project Zero G's forums. There was a guy over there building bell housings for the T56 transmissions which are alot stronger than R154 transmission.

Which trans is the T56? Do you have a link to the bell housing by chance? Thanks for the input.

Jake Hanhardt

 

[bastarddsm]

Its the same guy whos doing the R154 bell housings. I would speculate that that bellhouseing would allow almost any domestic RWD tranny to be bolted up. I belive a T56 is factory in new mustangs and newer camaros. its a 6speed if i remember correctly should hold boatloads more power than the r154.

 

[bastarddsm]

also, 9in fords allready have our bolt pattern, as well as a hell of a lot more aftermarket support. I doubt you will break a 9in with good 31 spline axles. just some FYI..

 

[evil_eagle]

Damn! Last time I talked to you, you were talking about doing this. I didn't imagine you would have gotten this far Jake! Looks good!! I really like that manifold design and the rear end setup. Looks like it's coming along very nicely. Good job!

 

[talon96tsi]

Which trans is the T56? Do you have a link to the bell housing by chance? Thanks for the input.

Jake Hanhardt[/QUOTE]

T56 is a Borg Warner 6 speed. Good for quite a bit of power, dual syncros. They can be found in late model mustangs, cameros, corevettes.

 

[talon96tsi]

Modifying an older Borg Warner T5 would probably be a good option too, as they are plentiful (80's, early 90's mustangs and camaros). Not a strong as a t56. If you wanted to go all out get a Tremec TR-6060, thats what all the domestic supercars have in them now (z06, gt500, challenger etc.)

 

[bastarddsm]

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do you still have the 4g63 to toyota transmission bellhousings??

yes, I am building three different styles, the R 154 Supra turbo trans set up, the W -55 non turbo set up and the T 56 chevy 6 speed ste up, you can see all my work posted on Welcome!
or Bill's Auto Fabrication - Toledo, Ohio

Thanks for asking
Bill Hincher
419-367-1758 cell

how much is the bellhousing to mate it to a r154 trns?

the R 154 is an excellent choice, I build that in two different ways, one with an external slave cylinder that uses the Mits first gen clutch fork and a Toyota throw out bearing @ $450.00 and the second with an internal throw out bearing that is set up in my shop @$575.00


do you have a bellhouseing that will fit this transmission? eBay

yeah, thats the W series toyota trans, they have the same bolt pattern from w 55 through w 59 its the non turbo trans, that bellhousing sells for $275.00 and uses all stock Toyota clutch parts, like fork,pivot ball and throw out bearing, it uses the Mits Front wheel drive flywheel and pressure plate with a standard 9 in toyota disc. Its and easy cheap way to get'r done
Bill



you owe me a ride when your done fool... I was gonna do mine awd, but i scored a cheap awd parts car.