Is the stock SMIC killing potential gains from EVOIII 16g?

[EdwardNorth]

Hey all,

I do remember the good things that I said in my review post for the E316G. However, over the last few days I've had lots of opportunity to play with my new EVOIII 16G setup, and I've changed my mind. After seeing it in action for the last few days, I hate to say it but I'm getting pretty disappointed. In all honesty, it doesn't seem like my Talon is any faster at all than it was with the T-2small. The only gain I've truly noticed is in 3rd gear and above if I'm on the freeway at 60-70 MPH and I get on it, and then just a little improvement in pull. I've tried it at 10 psi, not much faster. Installed my fuel pump and turned it up to 15psi, not really any faster than 10 psi on the EVO or 15psi on the T-25. Since installing the fuel pump I've tried every boost setting in between too, and still no real improvement.

What could be the problem? I have a full exhaust, intake, ported EVERYTHING, and the Walboro 190 fuel pump. The only stock things remaining that could be changed are the SMIC, IC piping, injectors, and adding an AFC. But even at 10,12,13, whatever PSI it should be noticably faster shouldn't it? The only thing I can come up with is that the stock SMIC is KILLING any possible gain this turbo could have given me. I am therefore looking at maybe the Hahn or Dejon Tool SMIC to solve my problems. FYI, I'm not interested in going FMIC. Besides, the Hahn SMIC will support 400 horses, which is more than I will be trying to squeeze out of her.

I was under the impression that with the mods I already had (and especially the fuel pump upgrade) that my Talon would become an entirely different animal. But in all honesty this setup has let me down so far. I was expecting a much faster car and what I actually got is a car that feels much slower. I hate to say it but there it is. So what do you guys think? Would a good SMIC bring out the power of the turbo and take my Talon where I was expecting it to already be?

Thanks guys.

 

[TheTSiGuy]

Well, I decided to go with the Dejon Tool Super SMIC and ordered it this morning. The ADFX was very appealing @ $360 shipped but I feel that I will have better overall success and potential with the Dejon. I also ordered their Lower IC pipe as it looks to significantly smooth/straighten out the path between the Turbo outlet and the IC inlet. In my opinion it can only help. The last stock parts aside from fuel will then be my "accordion" intake pipe and the "S" portion of the upper IC pipe.

I understand that Injectors and an AFC can only help as well, but in all honesty my EVOIII 16G setup @ 15 psi with just a pump and 94 octane should be much faster and more powerful than my T-25 was. And until I get it there I won't be upping the boost any higher than 15-16. Eventually, when I want to push 18-20 psi, I will do injectors and an AFC.

I'll hopefully get it tomorrow evening and maybe I'll do the install tomorrow night. I'll let you know how it goes and if it solves this "problem" and puts me where I should have been all along with my E316G.

Keep your fingers crossed and wish me luck!

I highly suggest upgrading the accordian intake and the whole uicp. Along with a 2g or same size TB elbow.

I have all upgraded piping on my car, and my 14b spools incredibly quick. Dare I say T-25 quick.

 

[EdwardNorth]

I highly suggest upgrading the accordian intake and the whole uicp. Along with a 2g or same size TB elbow.

I have all upgraded piping on my car, and my 14b spools incredibly quick. Dare I say T-25 quick.

Yeah, it will all be done eventually. I think aftermarket "S" parts of the UICP replace the TB elbow completely though.

 

[gbpkr]

Well, let us know if that does the trick. I went the opposite way so I am interested to see if that will make a difference.
Good Luck

 

[98RedGs]

Waits...

GOODLUCK!

 

[midnght]

The accordian is fine. Save for the injectors and whatever tuning tool you want.

Spool might come a whole 25 rpm (not 250 rpm) sooner. It is a overrated part in my book. I spooled my TDO6H 20G to full boost at around 3,700 rpm.

As for the UICP, that is a VERY VERY restrictive part. Get that replaced with a cheaper Dave Brode piece and ve done with it. The elbow is fine in the 2G.

 

[EdwardNorth]

Well, the SMIC and piping are in and so is the verdict -- all I have to say is

HOLY CRAP!!!

At only 12 psi this thing now pulls like a raped freakin' ape! I took it for a light run this morning, and drove normally for the first few minutes. Then after it had warmed up I gave it the ol' college try. By the time I got my bearings after stomping on it in 1st gear, I had already passed redline by about 100 or so RPM! Then when I shifted to second, it threw me back in my seat all over again!!

Yeah, I'd say the stock SMIC be the problem. But not anymore!

NOW.... now, my esteemed forum compadres..... I LOVE THIS FREAKING TURBO!

 

[sweet97]

Injectors!!!!! 550's will do just fine.I use them with my EVO and I can get my wideband to drop blow a 10:1 A/F which is very rich. I will be going with the small dejon sidemount. I have a 255 Walbre in my bedroom closet, never had the need for it. mark