horrible problem after timing belt change

[pauleyman]

Always have crank correct. I can already see your cams are off RELATIVE to crank. Theyre never going to line up because your timing has already skipped. I was only pointing out what probably happened.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Ohh. lasthope made it seem like I had to rotate it multiple times To check timing. Well good thing I bought valves. What components need to be changed out for a head rebuild and will stock retainers work with supertech single springs?

 

[pauleyman]

Take it to a machine shop and have them do it. Why are you using considering springs?

 

[wolf alchemy]

Are they not good?

 

[pauleyman]

No. Im asking why you think you need upgraded springs. If you cant answer you dont need them.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/project-management-and-building-a-dsm.421705/
http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/newbies-stop-making-a-list-of-parts.486115/

 

[wolf alchemy]

The upgreaded spring pressure will allow the valves to pull back to the block quicker, but Tyne possible adverse affects would be the extra pressure could wear out the lash adjuster, the rocker arms, and if the rocker arms goes. Then the camshafts will go. Correct?

 

[lasershark]

Remember your goals! If the part doesn't suit the goal...
Look at this thread while remembering the goal you set for the car.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/basic-horsepower-upgrades-1g-4g63t.476796/
I know you have already looked at this, but now look at it with the threads pauleyman posted in your head. And remember one step at a time, and one day at a time.

 

[ThunderChild]

Higher spring pressure is for higher lift cams, generally with an agreesive ramp rate, to combat valve float at high rpms. In rare cases they will combat against extreme boost pressure.
your engine I don't see you needing springs really.

 

[wolf alchemy]

<_< And if they are already bought?

 

[wolf alchemy]

So hold onto them till I get upgraded cam gears. Got it.

 

[wrencher]

Paulyman is right that thing looks to have skipped @ the crank pulley.
Nothing else matters now.
Don't worry bout springs....your good.
You have enough money to spend given your current situation.
You need to;
Get a price on a headset & head bolts. >Rockauto fel pro
Find a good machine shop, not a hack.
Expect to pay at least $250 easy for the head to be gone thru completely.
Depending upon the amount of damage/if you supply parts.
trust me 250 is likely too low for what your gonna need.
If you chill out I may even be able to come way out there on assembly day.....

 

[wolf alchemy]

Well thank god I have parts to sell....selling interior dash parts and awd components.

 

[pauleyman]

Cam gears? No.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Oh....so what do springs go with upgrade wise(for future. Not now)

 

[pauleyman]

As stated above cams. Not cam gears. Higher rpm also.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Yes....that's what I meant. Cam gears only adjust the specific timing of the exhaust or intake valves.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Cam shafts. That's what I meant to say.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Ok. So buy stem seals, valve guides are a 50/50. PO said head was rebuilt. He also nearly destroyed the engine. checked retainers, the look fine under the rocker arms, but will need through examination, and lifters I have no idea if they need to be replaced. Or should I replace all valve train components excluding anything above rocker arm? Just trying to get all the information I can.

 

[pauleyman]

Take it to machine shop. They will tell you what you need. End of story.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Oh....ok. thanks every body, and sorry for the trouble...

 

[Mauispyder]

You want to first look at the crank and make it TDC/0 . You want to be turning the engine by hand with a 22mm socket in the clockwise direction. When the crank is at TDC stop and look at your cam gears. Dowel pins near the centers should be up and timing marks near the edge of the gear should be close to each other and level. If the dowel pins are facing down, rotate the crank one more time. Stop, check the cam gears and see if the dowel pins are now up with timing marks next to each other. That's all you can do to check cam/crank correct position. Every one crank rotation equals one-half cam rotation.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Thanks mauispyder. Though a little late. It was perfectly said.

 

[Mauispyder]

Sorry I was a page behind on this thread. Good luck Wolf. Like Pauleyman said, stiffer springs can prevent valves from floating at high rpm, so they don't contact the Pistons.

 

[wolf alchemy]

I know, but I can only use them with aftermarket cam shafts....well that's what I've been seeing and reading.

 

[pauleyman]

You can use them with stock cams, you just dont need them.