horrible problem after timing belt change

[BogusSVO]

I can not tell if that is a head bolt washer or a spring seat.

If a head bolt washer, you should have 10 of them

If a spring seat you should have 16

 

[wolf alchemy]

It's the head bolt washer. Sorry I did t specify. Previous owner bought a shiny silver one and it stuck out immediately when I removed the valve cover.

 

[BogusSVO]

well now you have the proper washer, not the .10 cent one from the hardware store

 

[wolf alchemy]

I'm just kinda worried about the spring that was crushing the washer, and lastly the PO did not equally torque down the head bolts. He could've killed this car horribly.

 

[BogusSVO]

Why are you worried about the valve spring? You have a new set of ST to install when you have the head built.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Well. I was told by someone to not I stall them without upgraded cam shafts, and someone else said I'd be fine installing them. So not sure what to do wity them.....

 

[pauleyman]

You bought the springs? You can install them. You just didn't need them but it kind of looks like you do now. The point earlier was stock cams don't require anything but stock springs.

 

[wolf alchemy]

Well. Not every one hate me or get what ever, but I'm doing the head rebuild myself. Checked the head for warping and there is none on the bottom, not sure about exhaust though. There was a leak on only one side and it could have been a loose bolt, manifold, or head. Any way. I'm currently lapping away at my valve seats by hand. Do I need to do anything to the lifters before I put them back in?

 

[wolf alchemy]

And all valve stem seals are perfectly keeping oil out of cylinders. Plus this was rebuilt with bronze guides and possibly aftermarket springs.

 

[pauleyman]

I am begging you, do not do this. A proper machine shop need to measure this thing, check for cracked guides etc. You need a machinists edge to check for flat etc. valve job and deck is likely 250 or so including assembly.

 

[BogusSVO]

Please just stop.

Read everything to do with head building and springs.

BogusSVO- How to links and other info.

 

[wolf alchemy]

I don't even have that much money. I'll at least take it in to have it to check for warping, but that's maybe it. If you think I'm cheap I'm not. I love this car, but also love learning. Is this the best way to learn. No. But honestly. I'd rather say I tried to fix it and failed, than have a shop fail. (Referencing Mosers)

 

[wolf alchemy]

Should I mention the head was rebuilt and only has 3,000 miles on it?

 

[wolf alchemy]

Or maybe 4000.....

 

[BogusSVO]

Matters not how long ago the head was built.

I have had to go back thu heads that were rebuilt and never fired up.

Having bronze guides, if you really have them, may be your only saving grace at this point, they do not tend to crack like oe/cast guides do.

 

[wolf alchemy]

They are. Got a head with stock shattered guides.

 

[wolf alchemy]

How about I get the head to long block surface checked for even flatness, and I'll lap the valves to seats.(each valve stays with the seat I lapped). And then check valve stem hight? Does that sound ok with you guys? At least in checking in with every thing I do,(always will) is a good thing. Right?

 

[SrKegler]

Wolf, Bogus is the guy we always go to for advice. If the head was just done 3-4K ago, why did it need a timing belt change in the first place. The belt is always replaced after a head job.

It's your car, do it however you want. You have received some excellent advice over the past 8 pages. These are high performance engines, You can't really cut corners doing repairs. We would rather see the job done right the first time so you can enjoy years of driving instead of continual breakdowns.

At least have a machine shop check the head for warpage. All that oil got on top of your pistons somehow. Follow Bogus's advice and you'll have a sweet running engine.

 

[BogusSVO]

Well good. That will save you the price of a valve job

Go read....
BogusSVO- How to links and other info.

 

[Type1DSMr]

Hey man, I'm all for learning how to do your own work as well but you should really listen to Pauleyman and BogusSVO, they know what they are talking about and have a machine shop help you. At least a good one not like Mosers. Either way Goodluck bro and happy learning

 

[wolf alchemy]

Read that before, bogus's link. Change of plans. Check for warpage, pressure test, and surfacing. How's that sound?

 

[wolf alchemy]

Could the oil have gotten onto the pistons from unequal head bolt torquing....which...that would also allow the head to warp.

 

[streetraceboi]

Sell the car if you can't afford it. You've got to pay to play. If you're not going to do it right the first time, dont do it at all. Not everything can be done by you. Some stuff needs to be done by experienced professionals...with the proper tools...such as machine shops.

 

[wolf alchemy]

I'm aware that I can't do every thing and I'm not going to sell the car either. Have you ever had over 8 people say they'll help you. Yet days turn into a month without a word. that's the point where I'm at so instead of waiting for people who know what they are doing. I'd rather do what I can, and check in here before doing extreme things. And I'm sorry I also was f***ed over by my doctor and lost my job. So instead of having a steady income for the car. I lost it. So forgive me for being in a rut and trying my best to compensate.

 

[pauleyman]

Theres a big difference in knowing what to do and not doing it and not being able to (for any reason). that being said you appear to have thought this through with what resources you have. I would still recommend machine shop but ultimately that is your decision. I think everybody understands youre in a bind. The articles bogus provided speak for themselves.