gt3076R or GT3082R or GT3571R

[CrazyGSX]

hi i been working on the plans to buld my car up, i have all the parts that i want on tap.
what im bulding is:

A/T 98 GSX with a 2.3L and with all the fuel you can thow at it with AEM EMS
and 3" intercooler piping, 75mm throttle body and jm itake manifold and ported head
with 1mm oversize valves and a full race Ex mainfold with 44mm wg.

i like to use my car as a cornering car and road race style of driving.
and it will be a car for summer driving. (i have a car for winter and for boomin' around in)
what i need to know is witch turbo i should ues. and im trying to make as but power as a can on pumped gas. i have a GT3571R but i dont know if it will work and be consistion with the throttle body opening and closing at diffrion times, rpm's and not always at full throttle.
i will have a tq converter with a 4000rpm stall i think that will got good with a gt3571r.i guess im asking with turbo will i have more fun with. GT3076R or GT3082R or GT3571R

 

[allwheelTSI]

I think you'd be best of with a bolt-on 50 trim...

 

[95 TsiAWD]

hi i been working on the plans to buld my car up, i have all the parts that i want on tap.
what im bulding is:

A/T 98 GSX with a 2.3L and with all the fuel you can thow at it with AEM EMS
and 3" intercooler piping, 75mm throttle body and jm itake manifold and ported head
with 1mm oversize valves and a full race Ex mainfold with 44mm wg.

i like to use my car as a cornering car and road race style of driving.
and it will be a car for summer driving. (i have a car for winter and for boomin' around in)
what i need to know is witch turbo i should ues. and im trying to make as but power as a can on pumped gas. i have a GT3571R but i dont know if it will work and be consistion with the throttle body opening and closing at diffrion times, rpm's and not always at full throttle.
i will have a tq converter with a 4000rpm stall i think that will got good with a gt3571r.i guess im asking with turbo will i have more fun with. GT3076R or GT3082R or GT3571R

All of those are great turbos, but your question can't be answered until you state some of your goals. (horsepower, 1/4 mile, spoolup time) And we don't know if your car is a track car, or if you drive it daily. Also, is your exhaust manifold setup for a mitsu turbine housing,T3 turbine, or T4 ?

It sounds like you have alot of the same modifications that I have, so maybe I can be of help to you. I had to go through the same thing and do research on all of these turbos.

 

[CrazyGSX]

All of those are great turbos, but your question can't be answered until you state some of your goals. (horsepower, 1/4 mile, spoolup time) And we don't know if your car is a track car, or if you drive it daily. Also, is your exhaust manifold setup for a mitsu turbine housing,T3 turbine, or T4 ?

It sounds like you have alot of the same modifications that I have, so maybe I can be of help to you. I had to go through the same thing and do research on all of these turbos.

my full race ex mainfold is flanged for a T3.
with hp i was thinking i could get 500whp + on pumped gas as long i can put alot of fuel to it and have high flowing intake parts like 3" ic piping, i think it will work out ok.
i want the trubo to spool up at or befor 4000rpm's but i think a GT3571R will do that
with a 2.3L motor and my full race mainfold. they say the mainfold i got spools up the trubo
800 rpm's sooner.
i will be driving the car alot but it want be my every day car. but i will still like to drive it to work only in the summer time.

 

[definitiveno]

When you say spool up by 4000 rpm or sooner is that in first gear? You know with an automatic transmission our cars do not spool as soon rpm wise with high stall torque converters as they do not apply as much of a direct load (unless brake torquing). However, spool up does happen ALOT sooner in time since greater RPM can be achieved sooner.

Anyway if you have to have 4000 rpm spool in first without brake torquing I would take the GT30R however a 2.3 with a gt35r is where it's at IMO. Perfect balance spool and raw nasty power. 500 on pump is not easy but should be attainable with your ems and a big cam (might look into an fp3x) but definatly, without a doubt, GT35R.

 

[CrazyGSX]

yes for sure i well be getting some cams. witch im thinking i my get hks 272's
i will tho look in to the fp cams too just to see what they are all about.

i will be shifting this car at 9000rpm so i can keep the trubo spooled up and keep the motor in power band. and with tho auto tranny. will not me so auto ether haha. im going to be shifting it all the time.

 

[definitiveno]

i will be shifting this car at 9000rpm so i can keep the trubo spooled up and keep the motor in power band.

Well your powerband wont be decided until you pick a turbo.....

and with tho auto tranny. will not me so auto ether haha. im going to be shifting it all the time.

and this drible didn't really produce any intelligable information WTF

 

[CrazyGSX]

yeah its small talk. but anyways. back to witch turbo, im told a GT3076R supports 550whp
my GT3571R can do 610whp. but the GT3076R has a 2" outlet ont the cold side and the GT3571R has a 2.5" outlet. so will it be samthing to think about with using 3" intercooler piping?

 

[definitiveno]

yeah its small talk. but anyways. back to witch turbo, im told a GT3076R supports 550whp
my GT3571R can do 610whp. but the GT3076R has a 2" outlet ont the cold side and the GT3571R has a 2.5" outlet. so will it be samthing to think about with using 3" intercooler piping?

The S-trim housing is available on the gt30r as well.....

 

[CrazyGSX]

yes the s-time is available on the all the turbos i listed. but the GT3076R has a smaller housing then the GT3571R or GT3082R. the two bigger turbos have T4 housing and the
GT3076R has T3 housing with 4" inlet and 2"outlet

 

[definitiveno]

yes the s-time is available on the all the turbos i listed. but the GT3076R has a smaller housing then the GT3571R or GT3082R. the two bigger turbos have T4 housing and the
GT3076R has T3 housing with 4" inlet and 2"outlet

It is not t3 or a t4 housing it is an s-trim housing. The S-trim housing has a 4 inch inlet with 2.5 inch outlet, the same housing that comes on the larger turbo's, is also available on the gt30r.

 

[r1ashad]

The S-trim housing is available on the gt30r as well.....

Where online can you purchase the S-trim compression housing for the GT30R?

 

[Stapl3]

I think you'd be best of with a bolt-on 50 trim...

Hi, my name is typical to0nerz member and I dont know any other answer than 50trim.

 

[Stapl3]

The S-trim housing is available on the gt30r as well.....

are you referring to the t04s compressor housing?

 

[r1ashad]

are you referring to the t04s compressor housing?

Yes, the T04S compressor housing.

 

[Scrymerr]

How about the anti-surge ported S housing? Pros, cons, is it worth an extra $100?

Dan

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I think you'd be best of with a bolt-on 50 trim...

Care to explain why? It just seems that EVERY turbo thread I read anymore, Always says get a "50 trim". I remember when it was the 16g era and now a ''50 trim'' plague going around.

 

[Stapl3]

A/T 98 GSX with a 2.3L and with all the fuel you can thow at it with AEM EMS

2g ATs can have AEM EMS now?

 

[Slippi84]

I understand this guy is from canada and I can't understand half the stuff he's talkin about but i'll let that go, but the fact that he thinks a gt35R or any other turbo that size that will make 500hp on pump gas is gonna spool before or at 4k 2.3 or not is humorous. Especialy on a A/T. Something to add since when can you stay in a gear up to 9k in an A/T without like a shift kit and chip or something? I agree with the 50 trim but not because everyone suggests it but because with all the mods he has it will be ok for a autoX turbo which by the way he says cornering and w/e sounds like that's his goal not drag anyway.

 

[Rick@AP]

I understand this guy is from canada and I can't understand half the stuff he's talkin about but i'll let that go, but the fact that he thinks a gt35R or any other turbo that size that will make 500hp on pump gas is gonna spool before or at 4k 2.3 or not is humorous. Especialy on a A/T. Something to add since when can you stay in a gear up to 9k in an A/T without like a shift kit and chip or something? I agree with the 50 trim but not because everyone suggests it but because with all the mods he has it will be ok for a autoX turbo which by the way he says cornering and w/e sounds like that's his goal not drag anyway.

Really?

I guess my 447whp @ 20~21psi on pump gas, with full spool up by 4000rpms was a fluke? The 500whp number was less than 5 psi away and easily obtainable.

The wonders of the 2.3l.

 

[Slippi84]

Good for you buddy. How bout you put up some other info like which turbo and such cause I def think I said that a turbo that will make 500whp easy on pump not 447whp isn't spoolin before or at 4k. It will take you another 2-300pms to get that 5psi and that's if you get the 53 more whp out of it. This looks more like a good 50 trim pump gas tune than a big turbo anyway which is what he's talkin bout.

 

[Rick@AP]

Good for you buddy. How bout you put up some other info like which turbo and such cause I def think I said that a turbo that will make 500whp easy on pump not 447whp isn't spoolin before or at 4k. It will take you another 2-300pms to get that 5psi and that's if you get the 53 more whp out of it. This looks more like a good 50 trim pump gas tune than a big turbo anyway which is what he's talkin bout.

The turbo makes 500whp easily as I tuned it at 10.5~11.0, with very little advance and not a lot of boost on that dyno run and on later runs I made 502whp on a little more boost and hardly any more tuning.

Why would I need to rev it another 2-300 rpms to make more boost? That makes no sense at all. I already was making full boost at or before 4000rpms.

I've never owned a small 50 trim and don't ever plan on putting something that small on a 2.3l. The smallest turbo ever on that car was capable of 65 lb/min which is the equivalent of a GT35r.

Face it, you were wrong. Just let it go.

 

[Slippi84]

your an idiot. I wasn't saying rev 2-300 rpms higher I was syaing to hit full boost it will take you another 2-300rpms if you run 5 more psi How am I wrong you put up a dyno that isn't the hp level I said and claim you hit full boost by 4k when on the dyno it looks more like 4200 but i'll take your word on the 4k either way he said before or AT 4k not 4300 and he said 500whp not 447whp. Face it your wrong


By the way was this with a 5spd car or a automatic as the thread starter has a auto and that will play a factor in spool too; )

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I hate to tell you bro, but no 50 trim will make 500 whp on pump gas. Except Dre's, but his wasn't on a measly 21 psi either.

 

[Rick@AP]

your an idiot. I wasn't saying rev 2-300 rpms higher I was syaing to hit full boost it will take you another 2-300rpms if you run 5 more psi

That is not what you typed although it could have been what you meant. You should learn to communicate better.

Now to address what you meant, your still wrong. You can bearly see 5psi difference on the graph. 10psi or more yes, but 5 psi is too small to clearly show up.

How am I wrong you put up a dyno that isn't the hp level I said and claim you hit full boost by 4k when on the dyno it looks more like 4200 but i'll take your word on the 4k

I guess you've never learned to read a dyno sheet either. To see where full boost occured is very easy. If you look at the torque portion of the graph, you can see the point where the graph stops pointing upward at the same rate (a little before 4k) and begins to level off. That is usually the best indication on where full spool up occured.

either way he said before or AT 4k not 4300 and he said 500whp not 447whp. Face it your wrong

By the way was this with a 5spd car or a automatic as the thread starter has a auto and that will play a factor in spool too; )

Your so typical of the kiddie tooners today that are plauging the community. You spread misinformation, get called out on it, and then want to throw insults without ever providing any proof to back up your statements.

By the way, you ever heard of brake boosting?