Garret GT40 on a 2.3L

[ProjectTalon92]

I'm working on my project, and i'm at a debate! GT35R or GT40R. I'll be running a 2.3L and i'm sure this thing will be a beast. I'm sure that many people will shy me away from the GT40R and GT35R on a 2.3L. i know what i'm going for , but i'm not sure if it would be worth the time to put it in if i don't get the result that i'm trying to get. thanks for the input

 

[GVR4592]

hey, I say go for it. But from all the research that I did before going to my stroker, the 2.4 has a little bit better rod/ratio because the block is designed as a 2.4. I would say if you want some huge numbers and want the stroker either shoot an email or give a call to magnus motorsports. Those guys like building high revving strokers, even magnus agrees though that the 2.4 has better rod ratios. I know that their 2.2 can rev above 9K, but I dont the exact numbers.

The 2.3 and 2.4 have the same rod ratio, same rods, same crank, same ratio.

 

[Black_Bullet]

That's what i like to see. Maybe i have been wrong in saying i want 800+HP. My main concern is 9's in the 1/4. i don't care if it's 9.99. But it's obvious that you don't need 800+HP to get to 9's. I do appaulgize to anyone i offended. but the real test is........
IS THAT CAR A DAILY DRIVER? reliability is what i'm going for.

I hope your not talking about daily driving a 9 sec dsm as your only car or expect to be catching the bus a lot...

This is real life though, Honestly how many people have you seen go from the 12/13 second range into the 9s on thier next setup? I havent seen any... It takes a few trial and errors on different setups to do this and tons of money.. I have seen people go from the high 10s low 11s into the 9s like the ETS Evo and get 1000Whp but you can guarantee it was upwards of 20K+ for all the parts + his experience with owning and building a low 11 second evo.. If you have got there then I have no doubt you will have the ability to get to the 9s but this goes back to the basic rule. Don't ask about running 9s if you havent even been 10s-11s.. or 12s for that matter... If money is not an option I could see you doing this by giving your car to an experienced dsm/evo shop and having them tune and build it..

Exactly.... A car with only high power isnt fast,at that level youll be spending more time trying to figure out how to launch/hook, and how to keep it straight down the track. The horsepower isnt the only thing that makes you run those times. Have you seen AMS in there trial and error stages getting their evo to hook ON SLICKS. Breaking stuff over and over again...

Look at me for example, I have gone low 11s for the past 1.5 years @ 128-130mph traps I have over 400+ timeslips racing on my stock 6bolt short block ?

Id be happy if I obtained your current timeslips, no to the moon dreams for me .

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i'm not saying i want to build a 9 sec dsm to drive around on the street every day of the week, in the rain, in the snow, and when ever i want to go to california for a week or so. i've asked many people ON THIS SITE, that run 9s on a 2.3 AND DAILY DRIVE THEIR CARS that doesn't mean they do all the above things that i describe, but they can very well drive their 9 sec 2.3L around all day and not have any issues. and no that wont be my only DSM to drive around. i'm hoping to buy a 2G GSX and leave it mostly stock with a couple bolt ons. when the weather is bad, or when winter rolls around is when i will put the car away and drive the 2G
Also, i've always been told that it isn't just the horsepower that gives you the times down the quater mile, but you have to have the right suspension setup or all that horsepower isn't worth a damn thing.

 

[booostedGSX]

Traction is key in a good 1/4 mile ET. If you don't have traction you aren't going anywhere... That being said, a good rear-end (4-bolt), and LSD are a must with any high HP application if you want to have good 1/4 mile ETs.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

That's what i like to see. Maybe i have been wrong in saying i want 800+HP. My main concern is 9's in the 1/4. i don't care if it's 9.99. But it's obvious that you don't need 800+HP to get to 9's. I do apologize to anyone i offended. but the real test is........
IS THAT CAR A DAILY DRIVER? reliability is what I'm going for. maybe I'm not the only one to hear this but..... "making big power isn't the hard part. making big power that's reliable is the hard part" there have been plenty of people who have made big power reliable, and many who have tried and failed. difference between the two is, the ones who succeed, don't cut corners when it comes to building the car. I'm not going to cut corners, I'm not going to settle for anything less. I'm not saying i wont take EVERYONES advice, but I'm not going to do what everyone says i should. because if i did, i would be straying away from my original plan.

I have personally talked with him, and he has helped me in my decisions. Yes he daily drives it... but he has C16, with slicks ALL the time. He told be that he has taken it on 250+mile trips without incident.

Also another person that you might want to talk to is Jake Hanhardt. His profile on here is topstreet... heres his website as well... JHRacine Home Page

His 1G has 9.5 passes @ 150+, drives it on the street, is a 2.3L...Oh yeah, and he revs to 9350 for a couple of years with nothing happening with breaking rods, or ovaling the cylinder walls.

 

[Spln_Hrd]

I feel the benifit of the 2.3 is for daily drivability and not having to build a transmission to take a 10000+ rpm shift. But with the horse power it takes to run 9's I would suggest a dog box, I am confident that my 600 horse power setup will gernade any w5m33 trans with syncros in it after a few seasons.

If I had a dog box or a shep stage 4(or something comparable) there is no way I wouldn't build a high revving 2.0 or 2.1.

Horse power is a formula based off of torque that basically says if you can keep the engine from choking up top the more you rev the more ponies you will make.

Also shifting into 5th gear would suck.

I am not trying to cut you down or sway you from building YOUR car the way YOU want to. I think you can build a nasty stroker and daily drive it, but I think a 2.1 or 2.0 is a better drag strip engine. Look at what magnus, shep, ams, evil eagle, and all of the other guys that consistantly kick ass at the dsmshootout run.

Also go larger than a 35R, or use it and a shot of nitrous because I don't see mine taking me to the 9's on a full interior.

 

[Mikael SS]

well since no one thinks i can be done. i'll give some thought to the 2.2 or 2.1. on the other hand, it gives me more motivation to do what many said cant be done.

how about you write of the reply you would like to see, i'll post it and you can go on your way.

No matter how many times people tell you a stroker is not the best way to go, you continue to ignore them.

 

[Clutch GSX]

how about you write of the reply you would like to see, i'll post it and you can go on your way.

No matter how many times people tell you a stroker is not the best way to go, you continue to ignore them.

Hahahahaha Amen to that. Thats what ive been trying to say. Ask for advice then argue with the people that give it.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i'm not aruging with you. i'm not saying i haven't taking what everyone has said into consideration. but i'm not going to just follow the normal thing that everyone wants to do. what would be the purpose of individuality? i'm not going to just build a crazy 2.0 just cause everyone is to scared to venture past what seems to be "safe" and step past the idea that there is something else out there that is just a capable as the 2.0. if i were building a drag car and nothing else, then yeah i would have finished this thread and been done a long time ago. but i'm not building a 2.0 now am i? the thread title didn't say "2.0, a2.1, a 2.2, a 2.3, a 2.4, or a 2.6 WHICH ONE SHOULD I CHOOSE?" no. i asked about the turbo that's it.

 

[JayRolla]

I just want to add if you build a 9 sec car its not really going to be reliable. Thats a lot of power and abuse to your car. It will slowly turn into a race car before you know it. My buddys here have 600+whp cars and they where DD's but now they really dont run them much. Not to mention there motors average 20k miles at most.

 

[hahnsuper16g]

After reading this post and trying to keep my head from exploding from the conflicting statments this poster made i just want to point out a few things. First If relaibility is one of your goals then you really need to reconsider your 800 hp goal. Anytime you put power to moving parts they wear down and relaiblity decreases it's a fact even on built parts. Next it sounds like you are benchracing in that your car is still in project phase and yet you are spouting numbers left and right. The people posting replies are not trying to rain on your dreams they are just being real with you. I mean can 800whp be done? The answer is yes but is this unrealistic with a daily driver? Again the answer is yes because here are some things to take into consideration. What clutch are you going to use? You'll probably need a twin disc or high end puck style clutch and anyone will tell you they are not good for daily driving. You will also need proper suspension and a built transmission as well as good tires. Even with AWD what street tires are you going to use to daily drive this car? Even on slicks you'll be breaking them loose so imagine street tires not to mention that dry grip sacrifices grip in bad weather. Have you ever tried driving in the rain on drag radials? You'll also need proper axles and brakes i mean driving 800whp is going to require a lot of stopping power. What about gas? I mean you do realize you will probably need to run race gas or a good methanol setup to reach your goal and that is a pricey part of the equation in and of itself. I mean i am currently running my setup on 93 octane for 400whp but i can tell you that with my 1000cc injectors i get crappy gas mileage and 93 octane is $3.00 per gallon. I recommend you attempt to build your car so that you can see and exprience the setbacks and all the other costs that come with what you are trying to do. I mean go look at the member times and dyno sheets in this site and see what the average hp is for pump and race gas and then look at the number one person. Finally you can build a ton of power and if you are a crappy driver then your going to have crappy times. I hear you on trying to be different but if that's what you are striving for then try doing a custom fabricated dsm or motor swap because to be honest the only thing that your going to wind up doing to make yourself seem different is to throw away alot of money by not listening to some of the members on this site trying to help you get the most bang for the least buck. The one thing i have learned is that speed costs and unless you have supercar money then prepare to spend some on repairs. I have already spent around 30k total for building tuning and racing my car and i am only at 400whp. Good luck on your build but try being a bit more realistic with your goals and try and think of problems that can arise from having that much power. Once the car is up and running be sure to come back and post and tell us how it does.

 

[JayRolla]

Its like no one has ever seen an enter key. Paragraphs are so much easier on the eyes.

 

[xincubusx311]

This guy is a joke.

Have you even ran 13's yet???? A 9 second daily driven DSM??? I know it can be done, but someone who sits on forums and talks like he does probably does not have the money to do such a thing.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

like i said once, maybe twice before, if you don't like the topic then dont post in it. if you don't think it can be done, move on. but for the ones who actually have advice, even if it isn't something that has to do with the title of the tread, but it still might help me, should post. but if all you have is negative things to say, don't waste yours or my time even posting.

 

[hahnsuper16g]

I am surprised this thread has even lasted this long. I agree with the previous poster that asked has he even done 13s yet.

 

[Clutch GSX]

like i said once, maybe twice before, if you don't like the topic then dont post in it. if you don't think it can be done, move on. but for the ones who actually have advice, even if it isn't something that has to do with the title of the tread, but it still might help me, should post. but if all you have is negative things to say, don't waste yours or my time even posting.

We are giving you advice, stop living in a fantasy land.

 

[GVR4592]

It's obvious to everybody that this isn't going to happen, so let's just let it die.

 

[91spoolin]

I personaly went witha fp red on my stroker setup. Should make some decent power but I would not consider it a daily driver by any means.

 

[1fastlaser]

Im on a g4cs block, built. Im currently running a 60-1 with a choked p trim turbine wheel on a bolt on setup. I have a borg warner s370 (as close to a gt42 as it gets) sitting ready to go on.

I can drive te car on the street as i want, and still plan on street driving the car with the s370, or if i go alittle bit smaller at gt40 or t67. Some topics never get brought up on here, and other guys just nay say and get mad because people post things that havent gone fast yet.

One thing to think about is this is a forum, we all love these cars and are looking for others advice on building them.

 

[Black95awd]

with a crower billet stroker 102 mm crank.

102mm stroke makes a 2.4L in your 2.0 block or a 2.5L in your 2.4 block.