Garret GT40 on a 2.3L

[ProjectTalon92]

I'm working on my project, and i'm at a debate! GT35R or GT40R. I'll be running a 2.3L and i'm sure this thing will be a beast. I'm sure that many people will shy me away from the GT40R and GT35R on a 2.3L. i know what i'm going for , but i'm not sure if it would be worth the time to put it in if i don't get the result that i'm trying to get. thanks for the input

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i do appreciate all the advice, but you Clutch. i don't care about. if you're not interested then move on. just cause you went that route, and cause i'm not going that way, don't get upset. i don't believe in the word CANT. for you that may be different. the link solidifies that those kind of #s are possible in a 2.3. i don't care about the link, i don't pray to it in my dreams. it's just evidence that it's possible. and just cause everyone isn't as smart as you, doesn't mean you need to blow a bra strap or get you panties in a bunch. but for anyone else who thinks this is a great idea, keep posting. next time i see your name, i'm just going to keep on moving, cause everything else everyone says is so much more interesting.
I RETRACT MY STATMENT ABOUT 11k ON A STROKER. MY GIRLFRIEND MUST HAVE BEEN CLOSE. THE OBVIOUS JUST WAN'T OBVIOUS AT THE MOMENT.

 

[Clutch GSX]

Well everyone else is pretty much saying the same thing as i am so i dont see why youre attacking me but whatever dude I tried to help but you are in denile. Good luck, hope you dont waste 10 grand by blowing up your motor. Honestly i was only trying to help you realize the unpracticality of your 800+Hp goals on a daily driver. If you get butthurt cause I disagree with you then thats your problem.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

enough man. lets put it behind us. thanks for you what you have to. let agree to disagree and when one or the other turns out to be right, then one or the other will admit it. sound good?

 

[ProjectTalon92]

okay, one last thing i want you to look at. i'm sure you've been to AMS before.
AMSPerformance.com
if this doesn't convence you, then i'm not sure what will. and the video is with a bigger turbo then what i want.
and before you say "IT AN EVO" remember that they came from DSMs.
and if that 4 cylinder can do it. almost any 4cylinder can.

 

[Clutch GSX]

Im not saying its not possible im saying its not realistic for you especially as a daily driver. Like I said earlier if you have the money to do it fine but you should buy a daily driver because that much power on an old engine is going to cause all sorts of probalems. As for the AMS evo, evos have miivec which will add a lot more HP, Evo engines are newer and can withstand that type of torture, that car probably has over 30 grand into it, and it is not daily driven.

I dont mean this to be offensive I guess Im just blunt in the way I say things. Just think about what Im saying and Ill do the same, thats all.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i get what you're saying about the engines, and only the evo 9 has MIVEC. that's why we clash, cause we're both blunt. now we understand each other. i'm not sure if that car is daily driven or not, but from the looks of the video, it very well could be. it wouldn't make any sense to have full interior, and have four people with no cage in the car if it weren't.

 

[Clutch GSX]

Oh i didnt see it was a VIII. Another thing to think about is do you really want to spend all that money and risk getting into an accident and losing it all? Also, why is your goal so high? Whats wrong with 500 or 600HP? Thats more than almost all ferraris and porsches have. Also why are you sure you want a stroker? Usually a daily driver stroker and over 800HP dont go together so thats why im having a hard time here. If you really want to go through with it id make sure you have atleast 15-20 grand saved up to start. I personally am in the process of building a 2.3 stroker with a GT35R and shooting for 500Hp on my daily driver. Im planning on spending 15 grand on engine and exhaust/turbo alone and im not building the head for high revs. Not to mention the replacement of stock parts like thermostat, alternator, brakes, intercooler, coilovers, build the tranny, or anything else you want to do. The problem with stroker engines revving high is that the way the stroker works there is a lot more lateral pressure on the rods which puts more stress on them and causes it to bend or break easily at higher RPMs. There was a very detailed writeup of all the physics and calculations comparing 2.1, 2.3, and 2.0 although I dont have the link maybe someone else here has it. If you want 800+ HP on a 2.3 stroker you are going to have to look for a big turbo and youre going to have to rev the engine high which seems to be a bad idea for a DD. If you really want over 800HP on a 2.3 it can be done but it is not the best way to go. Maybe if I understood why you want those HP numbers and why you want a stroker Id have a better understanding of what youre trying to do. It just seems like a bit of a waste to me when a 2.1 would get you there cheaper and more reliably.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

well, the reason i want to build a 2.3 with 800+ HP is cause it's not the normal thing you see all the time. you see thousands of people who have built 2.0 or 2.0 with 350+ whp. i agree that those applications have more of an appeal. but i don't want something that you see every day. i've never been that way. i'm sure you still get shit about driving a DSM. that's why i drive a DSM. all my friends are honda fanatics, i like DSM. all my friends are in love with Power Strokes ((Power Chocks), and i'm a die hard Duramax fan. i really would love to build a 2.1, a 2.0, a 2.4, a 2.6, and a 2.3. but i want to just have something that i can say i built that no one else around me. and do something that someone says "Cant be done"

 

[crazy_skier]

hey, I say go for it. But from all the research that I did before going to my stroker, the 2.4 has a little bit better rod/ratio because the block is designed as a 2.4. I would say if you want some huge numbers and want the stroker either shoot an email or give a call to magnus motorsports. Those guys like building high revving strokers, even magnus agrees though that the 2.4 has better rod ratios. I know that their 2.2 can rev above 9K, but I dont the exact numbers.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i was at a crossroads of if i should get an AMS or Magnus intake manifold. and what are you saying about a 2.2?

 

[crazy_skier]

the 2.2 is a stroker engine that magnus makes, and it is able to rev alot higher than a 2.3, in other words it is perfect for a huge turbo like you are looking at. Have you been on dsmstyle.com before? There is a guy under the name of JET and he makes alot of custom parts with his intake coming out this spring and priced around the same as a JMFAB. It sounds like it will pull more power than the JMFAB and it will be stronger than the magnus'. If you go with a brand, I like my magnus but there are some complaints about the older ones splitting. I believe that is fixed though. oh and if you stay 35r take a look at this 35r version, more power than a 37r but with an earlier and stronger powerband.

FP/Buschur's new HTA GT35R turbo - MitsuStyle

 

[Clutch GSX]

well, the reason i want to build a 2.3 with 800+ HP is cause it's not the normal thing you see all the time. you see thousands of people who have built 2.0 or 2.0 with 350+ whp. i agree that those applications have more of an appeal. but i don't want something that you see every day. i've never been that way. i'm sure you still get shit about driving a DSM. that's why i drive a DSM. all my friends are honda fanatics, i like DSM. all my friends are in love with Power Strokes ((Power Chocks), and i'm a die hard Duramax fan. i really would love to build a 2.1, a 2.0, a 2.4, a 2.6, and a 2.3. but i want to just have something that i can say i built that no one else around me. and do something that someone says "Cant be done"

Well heres how I see it. If it hasnt been done then theres probably a reason it hasnt been done and if it has theres a reason the only people that have done it are very successful shops with the knowledge, tools, and money to do it. Im sure none of the Honda guys have 550HP and they definately dont have AWD and youre already unique having a DSM so I would shoot for a 2.3 stroker with a 35R and that will get you 500-600HP with the right supporting mods and will be much cheaper, more reliable, and better for street driving. Trust me, youll stand out.

 

[booostedGSX]

35R or 37R. I wouldn't go any bigger unless you don't care about some lag. I've ridden in a 35R car and it was pretty snappy, albeit it was a 2.0. And a friend has a 37R waiting to go on (eventhough its a 4g63 conquest...) can't wait to see what that things runs like.

 

[Black_Bullet]

the 2.2 is a stroker engine that magnus makes, and it is able to rev alot higher than a 2.3, in other words it is perfect for a huge turbo like you are looking at. Have you been on dsmstyle.com before? There is a guy under the name of JET and he makes alot of custom parts with his intake coming out this spring and priced around the same as a JMFAB. It sounds like it will pull more power than the JMFAB and it will be stronger than the magnus'. If you go with a brand, I like my magnus but there are some complaints about the older ones splitting. I believe that is fixed though. oh and if you stay 35r take a look at this 35r version, more power than a 37r but with an earlier and stronger powerband.

FP/Buschur's new HTA GT35R turbo - MitsuStyle

I forgot about the 2.2, if you have the money and are serious id do that instead.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/str...ng-2-2-a.html?highlight=2.3+stroker+high+revs

Trust me, youll stand out.

Ha, are you kidding me, a mildly gutted awd dsm with even a well tuned 50trim set up on stock block will stand out when its running high and mid 11s trapping over 120 when the honda guys have their huge 60-1 turbos on their 1.6s running what a dsmer would call, "low boost" scared to crack their blocks while spinning tires all the way thru their traps... 800whp goals sound more like the stuff you see dsm pioneers achieveing like Shephard, Kiggly, Jake montgomery, ams or buschur racing etc. Like i said earlier it would be tough to handle a 800hp dsm reguardless of which path used to make the power in the first place our drive trains arent ment for that type of brutal torture, getting it to that power is just half the battle....

For op
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...-0-2-3-a.html?highlight=2.3+stroker+high+revs

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bol...er-range.html?highlight=2.3+stroker+high+revs

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...-stroker.html?highlight=2.3+stroker+high+revs

 

[Boo5t_Addict]

Someone mentioned the Adobe file about the differences/advantages of a 2.0, 2.1, and 2.3. I actually have that saved on my laptop. I can't find the thread (yeah, I searched), but if someone can tell me how to upload an Adobe file I can post it up here. There's a lot of good info, as apparently the author (and a member of these forums) is a mechanical engineer or something. Very well written, and can help to set a lot of things straight on this thread regarding the shortblock. So yeah, I can't find it here, but have it and can load it whenever I figure out how. Or I can just email it to someone and they can repost.

 

[Clutch GSX]

Ha, are you kidding me, a mildly gutted awd dsm with even a well tuned 50trim set up on stock block will stand out when its running high and mid 11s trapping over 120 when the honda guys have their huge 60-1 turbos on their 1.6s running what a dsmer would call, "low boost" scared to crack their blocks while spinning tires all the way thru their traps... 800whp goals sound more like the stuff you see dsm pioneers achieveing like Shephard, Kiggly, Jake montgomery, ams or buschur racing etc.

I was actually refering to 500HP setup when I said he'll stand out but obviously 800+ would blow peoples minds. Its just not practical for ProjectTalon92 while 500HP is practical.

 

[olmytsi]

My buddy Tony runs a 2.3l with a gt4094. Car is a 95 gsx with full cage, full interior. Only things removed are a/c and power steering. He has gone a best of 9.9@141 on slicks. He does low 10s on drag radials....same traps. He shifts the car at between 8 and 8500. Dsmlink, 2g mas (+ fake mas option), 33 psi, c16. No nos or injection.

Pics and detailed mod list. EXTREME PSI : Your #1 Source for In Stock Performance Parts

I have a few vids of the car hosted on youtube, let me know if you want to see.

 

[ProjectTalon92]

i'd love to see those videos. 9s is what i'm shooting for. just as you explained, full interior on slicks, etc. i'll consider the 2.2. but there isn't much difference than the 2.3 i'm sure. and a 8500 redline wouldn't bother me one bit. what was it like for most of us when our cars where stock and were redlining at 7000. we wanted more power, but the redline didn't matter. atleast not to me. don't get me wrong, it would be awesome to run a 2.0 or 2.1 well into the 10,000 and close to the 11,000. But when you're wanting to build a 2.3 like myself you kinda don't worry about the redline. with the result i'm hoping for, that 8,500 will feel awesome under my right foot.

 

[Black_Bullet]

i'd love to see those videos. 9s is what i'm shooting for. just as you explained, full interior on slicks, etc. i'll consider the 2.2. but there isn't much difference than the 2.3 i'm sure. and a 8500 redline wouldn't bother me one bit. what was it like for most of us when our cars where stock and were redlining at 7000. we wanted more power, but the redline didn't matter. atleast not to me. don't get me wrong, it would be awesome to run a 2.0 or 2.1 well into the 10,000 and close to the 11,000. But when you're wanting to build a 2.3 like myself you kinda don't worry about the redline. with the result i'm hoping for, that 8,500 will feel awesome under my right foot.

Seriously, maybe you should just get a Fbody fully build it, and super charge slap on some monster slicks and have your torque and 9 sec passes without all the freakish drivetrain launching worries....

One more thing you should keep in mind, most of the Dsmers doing 9 second passes are also revving high due to the short gearing, and taking each gear so high dramatically helps make it to that 9 sec pass in the first place. A 10 sec awd dsm properly set up will be able to trap 135-140,mph ish or more and some of these guys finish their pass only using up to fourth gear sending it to high rpms without using 5th. Every shift generally slows you down at the track. With the limited revs of a stroker, a 10 to 9 somethin second pass will probably need all 5 gears down the track. A 800whp+ dsm probably needing slicks on all four just for managble traction ( poor drivetrain.), were talking traps of about 160mph + and I dont know the extent of 5th gear at 8500rpms but from my knowledge the dsm top speed is nothing like these new high end performance 6speed cars . So basically im saying just keep in mind the gear ratios vs/ revs at the track and how that could effect your time/mph...

 

[ProjectTalon92]

well since no one thinks i can be done. i'll give some thought to the 2.2 or 2.1. on the other hand, it gives me more motivation to do what many said cant be done.

 

[Bender]

Check out twicks69's setup. He uses a 2.3 with a GT4088R. He also doesn't rev high. View Profile: twicks69 - DSMtuners.com

 

[ProjectTalon92]

That's what i like to see. Maybe i have been wrong in saying i want 800+HP. My main concern is 9's in the 1/4. i don't care if it's 9.99. But it's obvious that you don't need 800+HP to get to 9's. I do appaulgize to anyone i offended. but the real test is........
IS THAT CAR A DAILY DRIVER? reliability is what i'm going for. maybe i'm not the only one to hear this but..... "making big power isn't the hard part. making big power that's reliable is the hard part" there have been plenty of people who have made big power reliable, and many who have tried and failed. difference between the two is, the ones who succeed, dont cut corners when it comes to building the car. i'm not going to cut corners, i'm not going to settle for anything less. i'm not saying i wont take EVERYONES advice, but i'm not going to do what everyone says i should. because if i did, i would be straying away from my original plan.

 

[Turbo Monk3y]

This is real life though, Honestly how many people have you seen go from the 12/13 second range into the 9s on thier next setup? I havent seen any... It takes a few trial and errors on different setups to do this and tons of money.. I have seen people go from the high 10s low 11s into the 9s like the ETS Evo and get 1000Whp but you can guarantee it was upwards of 20K+ for all the parts + his experience with owning and building a low 11 second evo.. If you have got there then I have no doubt you will have the ability to get to the 9s but this goes back to the basic rule. Don't ask about running 9s if you havent even been 10s-11s.. or 12s for that matter... If money is not an option I could see you doing this by giving your car to an experienced dsm/evo shop and having them tune and build it..

Look at me for example, I have gone low 11s for the past 1.5 years @ 128-130mph traps I have over 400+ timeslips racing on my stock 6bolt short block and hundreds of street races not to mention traveling to your city/ oklahomo city, denver, and nebraska to street race.. I retired this old setup when all It really need was some tires to break into the 10s.. The new built 2.4L t-67dbb setup is almost done and I have set my goals resonably. I wanted 1 of 3 things. Either a low 10 sec timeslip, 140mph trap speed, or 680-700awhp. Now people have gone 9s with this setup but Im not trying to jump the gun and speculate.. Hell I might only get 575awhp and maybe a 10.9 @ 133 or 134mph pass for all I know.. You see where I'm going?

 

[ProjectTalon92]

yeah i get what you're saying. and i know i'm not going to get in the car and run 9 on my first pass. and i'm sure i'll break something! but i'm willing to give it a try and see what kind of results i can get. if i don't cut any corners, and put things together how i want, then i run an 11 or 10, then i'll be happy. i'm sure the car will be plenty of capabule of those times. i'm not going to put the car on the road till i know it will stop and handle like i want it to before it has any go. then i'll make sure it has all the best things to make the "big reliable power" that i mentioned.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I'm in the same position as you. I just bought a new 2.3 stroker longblock, But I don't know what turbo to get because I don't really have any goals at all. I was going to get a shearer top mount mani and a gt42, But after that's all said and done that's going to be over 5k for just the turbo setup alone, And I need fuel/tuning/drivetrain, Etc.