FP green vs. FP red vs. GT 35R vs....

[BulletShiftTSi]

The first Question I had is,
My buddy has a:
95 talon 7 bolt awd 5 spd
680cc injectors
272 cams
mls 4 layer with arps
SAFC-II
255 walbro

And wants to run an fp green, what other turbos are close to that size and power? what other mods would he need?

2 question is I have a:
1992 tsi awd 5 spd 6 bolt
check my profile for list of mods
I would like to run my car in the mid tens say a 10.5 would be good but still have a little room for improvement/increase

I know i should get rods and pistons and bigger injectors and I will be running DSM link soon.

I would also like to know your opinions for other turbos for the same goal becuase I just don't know alot about turbo sizes and there abilites. Would a turbotechnecs turbo be good cause they have the Ball bearing option?

let me know please
You guys are the best!

 

[BulletShiftTSi]

And another side question,

I know hp doesn't equal 1/4 times or anything I'm just asking the about range

Becuase I know most people say a stock bottom end is only capable of holding about 450hp so about how fast would lets say my first gen awd 5 spd good driver and tire and cltuch and lanch run?

I know I probaly sound dumb but thats what this fourm is for i guess.

 

[JusMX141]

The first Question I had is,
My buddy has a:
95 talon 7 bolt awd 5 spd
680cc injectors
272 cams
mls 4 layer with arps
SAFC-II
255 walbro

And wants to run an fp green, what other turbos are close to that size and power?

Any 50-trim Garrett variant is a similar turbo (the Green actually uses a 50-trim Garrett compressor wheel), although the Green will flow better in an MHI DSM bolt-on turbine housing because the larger TD06H wheel is designed to be used in a Mitsu housing unlike the Garrett T31 turbine.

He's going to need more injector to run a Green or 50-trim to it's potential, and to do that he's going to need something that will allow more injector compensation than just an AFC. This will either mean losing the AFC in favor of DSMLink, or getting an EPROM chip burnt with his injector settings then fine-tuning with the AFC.

2 question is I have a:
1992 tsi awd 5 spd 6 bolt
check my profile for list of mods
I would like to run my car in the mid tens say a 10.5 would be good but still have a little room for improvement/increase

I know i should get rods and pistons and bigger injectors and I will be running DSM link soon.

I would also like to know your opinions for other turbos for the same goal becuase I just don't know alot about turbo sizes and there abilites. Would a turbotechnecs turbo be good cause they have the Ball bearing option?

Holset HX40 in a T3 .70 a/r turbine housing, or a Garrett GT3582R if you have deep pockets.

I wouldn't buy anything from Turbonetics or Precision if you're spending big money as their turbos don't seem to have the greatest reliabililty on DSM's. Nothing beats a true Garrett or FP turbo if you're dumping lots of money- they're proven winners!

 

[Dsmj89]

It all depends if he wants an all out race car or a streetable daily with good power. I personally like the fp green out of all of the above mentioned. It's a good street turbo and has quick spoolup yet has good power up top. It's a great all around turbo.

 

[JusMX141]

I personally like the fp green out of all of the above mentioned. It's a good street turbo and has quick spoolup yet has good power up top.

If he's seriously looking for 10's, quick-spool is out of the question....and the Green is probably out of the question as well. He'd be better-suited with something in a T3 turbine housing.

 

[BulletShiftTSi]

Holset HX40 in a T3 .70 a/r turbine housing, or a Garrett GT3582R if you have deep pockets.


Last time i checked the difference between a fp red and a gt3582r isn't that different in price.

I want a turbo with the lowest boost threshold with the abilty to hit a good solid 10 sec pass.

If I got lets say a fp red could i get away with a act 2600 with street disc?

My orignal plan was to buy the fp red with matching fp exhaust manifold eagle rods wiseco pistons and dsm link and a good tire. maybe some q16

but with these turbos what will the car be like on the street on 93 or 100 octane?

Thanks for the help so far.

And remember there are two different cars with two different set ups in the question.

thanks!

 

[19BLACKGST98]

Holset HX40 in a T3 .70 a/r turbine housing, or a Garrett GT3582R if you have deep pockets.


Last time i checked the difference between a fp red and a gt3582r isn't that different in price.

I want a turbo with the lowest boost threshold with the abilty to hit a good solid 10 sec pass.

If I got lets say a fp red could i get away with a act 2600 with street disc?

My orignal plan was to buy the fp red with matching fp exhaust manifold eagle rods wiseco pistons and dsm link and a good tire. maybe some q16

but with these turbos what will the car be like on the street on 93 or 100 octane?

Thanks for the help so far.

And remember there are two different cars with two different set ups in the question.

thanks!

If I remember correctly a local guy named Kane was running 11.0 in the 1/4 with an FPred. The good news for you is that he did this in a GST. I think he said he hit full boost close to 5 grand though.

 

[AshTsi]

S362 FTW Or the hx40 both are good choices!

 

[JusMX141]

Comparing the Red to the GT35R is like comparing a Cobalt SS to a Corvette- they're two completely different cars that serve two completely different purposes. Your thoughts should only involve one of the two turbos....you're either trying to stay with a DSM Bolt-On turbo, or you're not.

The Red is a highly modified 20G featuring a Garrett 60-1 compressor wheel mated to a clipped TD06H turbine. This is about the most aggressive turbo you can get that retains a 100% bolt-on platform; it literally uses the stock 1G oil supply and return lines and will bolt to a stock DSM manifold. This turbo will be super-laggy for a DSM bolt-on because of it's enormous compressor wheel and butchered TD06H turbine....all of which are attempts to get this thing to pump some major airflow. I'm curious to know if Red users are seeing airflow numbers that the 60-1 compressor is capable of generating- when talking about such a large compressor wheel, you can be limited to what your turbine is capable of flowing. I actually own a FP Red that I had planned on using prior to charting the somewhat undiscovered Holset waters.

The GT35R is pretty much a full-race turbo that can be toned down for occasional street use. The turbine housing is rather large and can flow very well, making this turbo better suited to higher-compression or higher-displacement engines, or lower compression engines running very high boost. The 35R will require a complete makeover of your manifold / o2 housing situation, as well as oil supply and drain lines. Added to the price of the turbo itself these parts can be a rather costly investment, but generally hold their value rather well should you ever decide that's not the route you wanted to take.



Either turbo has the potential to get you to a 10.5. Curt Brown has taken the Red into the 9's; of course Curt is one of the best drivers there is. The key point here is your setup is only as fast as the driver....there are guys with 450-500hp cars running 10's, and guys with 600-650hp cars running 12's.


Just for sh!ts and giggles, here's my Red...freshly rebuilt and ready to boost. I have no plans to ever sell it unless the right offer comes along....I have alot of time and money wrapped up in it to let it go cheap. If nothing else I'll keep it forever and someday build a car to use it on.

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[BulletShiftTSi]

thanks for the advice jusmx141 that is a very true statement about the car only being as fast as the driver very VERY good point.

but that point aside how limited would I be if i deicded to go with a fp green? is it that much better than my E16G? and what is the about range of the boost threshold on the fp green and the hx40? and what mods are needed for the holset?

And another question is about the fp3052 and the fp3065. would either of these get me to my goal? there boost thresholds and mods needed? how are they compared to the fp red and compared to the garrett gt30r. I'm not any good at reading compressor maps or understanding what they mean to me. any help is much appericated. remember my set up is the 1gen

 

[JusMX141]

but that point aside how limited would I be if i deicded to go with a fp green? is it that much better than my E16G? and what is the about range of the boost threshold on the fp green and the hx40? and what mods are needed for the holset?

I don't have any airflow numbers specific to the FP Green, but the 50-trim Garrett compressor wheel is good for around 10 lb/min more airflow than the Evo III 16G and it's more efficient at higher boost.

Boost for the 50-trim compressor would do best in the mid-20's. In regards to the HX40- I'm not actually sure....although I'm going to find out whenever my AWD hits the road. There are so many different compressor maps out there for HX40's because of the many different compressor wheels that I'm not sure which ones to trust. I'm probably just going to start out with my HX40 around 25-30psi and see if it's putting out the airflow numbers that I know it's capable of.

And another question is about the fp3052 and the fp3065. would either of these get me to my goal? there boost thresholds and mods needed? how are they compared to the fp red and compared to the garrett gt30r.

I gave both the FP Red and FP3065 some serious thought before finally going with the HX40. The FP3065 is a well-built piece with tons of FP R&D, and it's in a stainless turbine housing that will bolt directly to a stock DSM manifold flange but flows as much as many T3-flanged turbos. That was the part that attracted me the most.....the part that didn't attract me was the price. Not only the price of the turbo itself; the FP3065 requires the use of a 44mm Tial wastegate- which is an additional $350. Between the turbo and the wastegate you'll have $2000 spent, and while I'm sure it's well worth it....I'm a cheap DSMer!

Originally I wanted to stay with a DSM-flanged turbine housing setup for my AWD no matter what turbo I went with, but after I had my HX40 in my hands I realized how restrictive that choice might be. What I don't want is to have a turbine housing that will limit the flow of the compressor wheel. I'm now thinking of going with the HX40 in a .70 a/r T3-flanged turbine housing to better match the flow of the 7-blade compressor wheel.

 

[Kapok6]

back from the dead...when are you guys seeing full boost on the FP Red on a 2.0? How will it handle mid 30's psi?

 

[j_biggz]

I have an fp green and see full boost at 4k and about 43lbs/min @ 20psi. Still working on the tune being this was with v2.5 on a 2G but I am now waiting on v3 full to arrive so it may change. goal is 25 psi on pump and 30 psi on meth. Ill let everyone know what I see after I get v3 installed. Personally the green is an excellent turbo for street/strip but if your straight drag only then a red would probably be the best case.

 

[JusMX141]

The revised "Old School" DSM Red now has a GT35R compressor instead of the 60-1 it once had.

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The revised "Old School" DSM Red now has a GT35R compressor instead of the 60-1 it once had.

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damn that makes the new red bad ass and a bargain!

 

[gprix1]

And now they have the 76HTA budget version that just came out yesterday for $999
They claim 59LB a minute with that compressor and it has the 65mm turbine in an 8cm housing and that price is with it internally gated... damn.

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[JusMX141]

Well the 35R compressor is a 65lb/min wheel, so for the same money you'd get 5lb/min of additional airflow...also internally-gated (see photo).

Basically the new Red will stomp PTE's SCM6152 by having better reliability thanks to a MHI-style center housing, and better turbine flow due to a larger turbine wheel which will actually allow the 35R compressor to generate more airflow than the PTE unit.

Good job, FP.

 

[mattasi]

Man all this talk about the FP red makes me want one. I run the green, but if I upgrade someday then the red has a good chance with me.

 

[rr06rs]

So would it be possible to get the red with the hta 3582 wheel then? Or dare I say even the 3586hta wheel?

 

[JusMX141]

^ Not sure on that one. It appears the Red's inlet is machined as thin as it can safely go, and I believe the HTA wheel has a slightly larger inducer but I'm not positive on that...perhaps Michael will spot this thread and fill us in.

 

[rr06rs]

What do you think is the max lb per min of compressor flow that the turbine wheel and housing can support?

 

[JusMX141]

Direct that question toward FP- I have no idea. I've seen no more of this turbo than the photo above, but on paper it will outperform the 6152 hands-down by turbine wheel specs and turbine housing design.

 

[phunny]

I know my red flows 65lb/minute.

 

[talondave]

I know my Hx40 flows 72lbs per/min.... just messin^^^

 

[phunny]

I know my Hx40 flows 72lbs per/min.... just messin^^^

Yeah it's almost time to upgrade, I've maxed out this old school red