FP green vs. HX35w/HX40

[626freak]

im done with my motor now all i have to do is decide on my turbo setup i alredy have an fp green and fp race mani and a nice o2 set up with a tial 38mm
but im not sure i wanna go with the green now.i did have a big 16g and i bought the green
and now im considering getting a hx35w or possibley an hx40w
i know an hx40w makes more power than a green but how does the hx35w compare
you can check out my setup on my profile and let me know what you think i should go with
also im gonna end going with 1050cc's and link here soon...or if you know anybody with injectors bigger than 680cc's let me know ....i got tons of stuff for trade and i got $$$...

im just looking for some honest opinions/advice and if anybody wants to post info/tips or pics of holset installs feel free to

 

[Aaron91RS]

Your right it spools quicker. I mean I actually had one and ran it, so my info is based on actual first hand knowledge, but I am sure your answer is the correct one.

I swear why do I even bother, every post I just get another person telling me something I said is wrong while they pull info out there ass.


Fine it spools just off idle runs on magic dust and dreams. Just squirt some grease in the center cartridge and seal the holes. It will run forver.

 

[626freak]

i was just basing what i said off of what ive been told/ what ive read and based on my setup, and i threw in some "honda humor".
obviously the spool time is not gonna be exactly the same for everyones' setup.
and i wasnt trying to offend you and i wasnt saying you info was bs,i just thought they spooled faster than what you posted. I apologize

 

[AndrewD5418]

Your right it spools quicker. I mean I actually had one and ran it, so my info is based on actual first hand knowledge, but I am sure your answer is the correct one.

I swear why do I even bother, every post I just get another person telling me something I said is wrong while they pull info out there ass.


Fine it spools just off idle runs on magic dust and dreams. Just squirt some grease in the center cartridge and seal the holes. It will run forver.

. We don't pull information out of our ass. It's a proven fact that PTE turbos will fail if the oil pressure is too high, and that being water cooled has absolutely nothing to do with shaft play.

 

[FonZ454]

Your right it spools quicker. I mean I actually had one and ran it, so my info is based on actual first hand knowledge, but I am sure your answer is the correct one.

I swear why do I even bother, every post I just get another person telling me something I said is wrong while they pull info out there ass.


Fine it spools just off idle runs on magic dust and dreams. Just squirt some grease in the center cartridge and seal the holes. It will run forver.

Any reason for the attitude?

I've had a Green sitting here for about a year, and in all the reading and research and feedback I've recieved has been that it will hit full boost in the high 3000 to low 4000rpm range. I haven't had a chance to run it yet.

 

[Aaron91RS]

and that being water cooled has absolutely nothing to do with shaft play.

Any reason for the attitude?

I get sick of people who heard something thinking they know better then a person who has actually done something.
BS info doesn't help anyone, it just promotes my BS information from people passing on what they 'heard'

I've had a Green sitting here for about a year, and in all the reading and research and feedback I've recieved has been that it will hit full boost in the high 3000 to low 4000rpm range. I haven't had a chance to run it yet.

Put it on 2L and show me it hitting 27psi by 4000rpm's. I would love to see it.

and that being water cooled has absolutely nothing to do with shaft play.

your right mitsi just wanted to spend money running water lines to their turbos.
Cause oil never bubbles or cokes and it certainly isn't helpful to have a secondary means to remove heat from the turbo.
You know what do me a favor. E-mail forced performance and ask them for all out reliability do they recommend the FP green in oil and water cooled or just oil cooled and see what they say.
That would be the easiest way to settle this.

 

[toofast82]

It definitely won't hurt to run water lines to the turbo. Plus they are so easy to hook up, its just as hard to block them off,etc. Mitsu definitely did things like that for a reason. Just like the heatshields on manifold and o2 housing. They could have saved millions of dollars by eliminating these parts but they are there for a reason.

 

[dsm-onster]

Run water lines. They are there for the sake of the bearings for hot shut down. It's good to have. And you have the plumbing. Yes, the water feed/return is there for a reason.

Put it on 2L and show me it hitting 27psi by 4000rpm's. I would love to see it.

I'm sorry you never saw it with your setup. But the td06h 20g and the fpgreen both spool to over 20psi before 4K for most 2.0L setups using 272style cams. On stock cams, I've seen quicker. The 20g and the fpgreen use the same hotside. If you need proof you can search.

PTE themselves tell you over the phone, or they did when they were having problems, that high oil pressure was the cause for their frequent failures.

 

[toofast82]

PTE lost my business forever. I had a brand new 60-1 that lasted about 20 minutes and they wouldnt cover anything. I tend to like the mhi turbos because they seem to last forever and all my friends like to laugh at how small it looks, but you never know whats inside of it.

 

[bsbllfit7]

id just like to know for personal reasons which turbo would be the better bang for the buck, sure ive searched but i want to find someone that has ran both turbos and can attest to which one they liked better, preferably backed with results. Im thinking im going with the green for bolt on friendliness and reliability but the 35/40 sound nice too, just a little more work on the oiling but can be had for less $$$

 

[Indian]

PTE lost my business forever. I had a brand new 60-1 that lasted about 20 minutes and they wouldnt cover anything. I tend to like the mhi turbos because they seem to last forever and all my friends like to laugh at how small it looks, but you never know whats inside of it.

I agree. I have the 68hta,and I play it off as a stock turbo.

 

[DSMTyson]

I agree. I have the 68hta,and I play it off as a stock turbo.

Haha people probably don't know wtf hit them

 

[bsbllfit7]

but given the green is mhi would you still go with that over the 35 or 40

 

[dsm-onster]

Personally I wouldn't. Considering that the hx35 flows alot more air than the fpgreen and spools a bit faster. Also it is an oem turbo built for truck use. So it's very reliable.

But that is opinion.

 

[bsbllfit7]

even on pump you think so, im trying to make my final decision today to order the turbo

 

[dsm-onster]

Pump gas and seeing the limit of the green or hx35 is going to be a feat. Both flow similarly at the same boost. With the hx35 pulling out several 500+ whp results and 10second runs. I feel the green can do that too; though it will be more difficult with its smaller compressor. But none of those two can go flow that high with pumpgas without some magic (but possible) tuning.

But they both can easily make 400whp on pumpgas and bolton. To me, the nod is to the hx35 for its greater overall flow and slightly faster spool. Some day you might want to put some race gas in it and see the limit of either. The one with the higher limit is more appealing since everything else is close to equal.

 

[abaum565]

In my personal experience with the 35 and 40 - they both like a lot of boost to be happy. Anything below 25ish psi and it wasn't much fun. Anything past 30 psi and they start to make some serious power.

I have no experience with the green. But if you go with a holset, make sure you are prepared to run a lot of boost.

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I believe the guys make the power that dsm-onster quoted where in the 35psi range on the hx35, and dacowod made something like 680hp on the 40 but at almost 40 psi.

 

[dsm-onster]

Correct. Boost and pump gas dont mix.

But a bolton turbo like the fpgreen (16g turbine housing) and pumpgas don't mix when you want to push it to similar levels that the hx35 sees when you really raise the boost with an hx35. You have to push that fp green to close to that high boost to see similar results with a typical 2.0L build. 30psi, 35psi. Still you need to be an ace tuner or run alcohol, injection, or race gas.

Both can do 400whp rather economically with pupgas. You don't need to run over 25psi to see a little over 400whp with either turbo. After that, you're looking at a more and more finicky tune. You have to go over 23psi using an fpgreen to see 500whp with a typical build. Since 23psi is about 2.6pr and about the farthest to the right in flow on the map as you can get with the fpgreen's 50-trim compressor and is where the highest referenced shaft speed on the map falls to, you're going to have to go off the map to run it with a 2.0L and a typical build. Frankly, the hx35 8blade compressor sees the same flow as the maximum flow of the fp green's compressor at the same 2.6PR. the 7blade hx35 sees 56lb/min at 2.6PR . So you won't go off the map to see 450+ whp with a 2.0L and say stock intake mani and hks 272s.

With any turbo, pump gas friendlyness is as much about the build and tune as it is about the turbo. . . actually more dependent on the build and tune. Big cams/smim and rpm or big cams/smim and big displacement makes achieving desired power occur at a drastically lower boost.

A bigger turbine housing helps. The fpgreen is a bit limited in the turbine housing options.

But really if you're goal is below 450whp you can't go wrong with either turbo. And you can bolt them on to your stock manifold! The fp green has been a quality built turbo in years past.

 

[bsbllfit7]

i have got a great deal on a green right now and i think im gonna take it, this has the potential to show some great light on the hx35s if i decide to switch, i could have dyno numbers with no changes from one to the other and possible e85 switch for both as well. English Racing recommended the green to me for my setup so im going to take their word and go that route. It will be a slightly easier install and the price is very competitive with an hx35 setup. I got the turbo for 650 in perfect condition

to be more clear if i decide to go e85 the 35/40 will definitely be my turbo of choice!