fmic or not to fmic.. that is the question..

[oh-b-1g]

I am building a moderate power 4g63t and have heard that below a certain boost level I would be better off with the factory side mount as I would loose throttle response due to the lack of flow because there wouldn't be enough pressure and cause more turbulance than the cooling would offset. Is this b.s. or is there a fomula to determine the appropriate size fmic? I like the way they look, but if its going to kill throttle response I don't care how "cool" it looks. I would like to run around 14 to 16 psi and up my compression to achieve around 300 hp with snappier throttle and little to no lag. Love turbo, but not lagging when accelerating out of a 90 degree corner.
-thanks

Also any suggestions on a good reliable set up would be most welcome.

 

[91stocker]

The stock sidemount becomes insufficient the second you up the boost over stock. The average street fmic kit will not noticeably hurt throttle response. 2.5" piping with a "street" core is with out a doubt the way to go.

My 14b heats soaks the smic half way through a pull. Ive seen intake temps over 200* by the end of a pull.

Personally i recommend the vrspeed kit. Its pretty hard to beat for the price.
VRSF 2G FMIC Front Mount Intercooler Kit : 95-99 Eclipse & Talon Turbo 2G DSM

 

[rcarbajal4]

The stock sidemount becomes insufficient the second you up the boost over stock. The average street fmic kit will not noticeably hurt throttle response. 2.5" piping with a "street" core is with out a doubt the way to go.

My 14b heats soaks the smic half way through a pull. Ive seen intake temps over 200* by the end of a pull.

Personally i recommend the vrspeed kit. Its pretty hard to beat for the price.
VRSF 2G FMIC Front Mount Intercooler Kit : 95-99 Eclipse & Talon Turbo 2G DSM

Completely agree. Plus they're having a sale for $290 shipped. Never had a complaint with their fmic. Planning on getting one for my 1g this week

 

[OutKastGSX]

+1 on the vrsf just ordered one from the gb sale and its on its way. i have heard many good things about it. For the price it seems unbeatable.i will soon be able to testify to this kits quality.

 

[oh-b-1g]

Thanks for the help on the ic guys! What would you recommend for a quick spooling turbo for around 16psi? And do you think I could hit an honest 300 hp with the stock compression/cams if I run 16? Not tryin to spend tons of loot on fuel lines and massive pump and such.

 

[OutKastGSX]

Thanks for the help on the ic guys! What would you recommend for a quick spooling turbo for around 16psi? And do you think I could hit an honest 300 hp with the stock compression/cams if I run 16? Not tryin to spend tons of loot on fuel lines and massive pump and such.

I would say a 16g or evo3 16g. just don't buy ebay .

 

[boost97gst]

If you want a 2gb bumper and want to keep stock foglights you dont need to mod anything with the PR kit. It is more expensive though.
Also, it needs to be mentioned that you can mod the vr kit to keep foglights. Theres a thread on here ive seen with it done.

A 16g turbo or even a 14b will get you to 300whp with minimal mods(relatively speaking). I always tell people to go bigger, but if youre sure all you want is 300 and will NEVER want more , then go with the 16g. Youll be more than happy from what ive read on the hundreds of people who run them.

btw, what year is your dsm? The pic doesnt tell me if its an a or b

 

[andrewshowers]

I second purchasing the PM kit. Mine fit amazing and I would recommend it to anyone.

 

[oh-b-1g]

If you want a 2gb bumper and want to keep stock foglights you dont need to mod anything with the PR kit. It is more expensive though.
Also, it needs to be mentioned that you can mod the vr kit to keep foglights. Theres a thread on here ive seen with it done.

A 16g turbo or even a 14b will get you to 300whp with minimal mods(relatively speaking). I always tell people to go bigger, but if youre sure all you want is 300 and will NEVER want more , then go with the 16g. Youll be more than happy from what ive read on the hundreds of people who run them.

btw, what year is your dsm? The pic doesnt tell me if its an a or b

Its a 96. I just bought it last week, so don't hate. I know it looks like crap and that rear bumper is disgusting to me. The only reason I would shy away from the 16g is that I have had 3 1gs with 14bs and they all seemed to spool faster than my 96 talon tsi with a 16g. I don't really want to boost the hell out of this car ever. When I get ready for a real track car I would have to go with a 1g. I figure they would be lighter and I wouldn't care about ripping all the interior out and going for broke! (Cause that's what id be... broke. haha!) If I want more power from this car ill go with more compression probably.

 

[airforcegsx99]

ETS all the way. Can't beat it's quality. The 7 inch Intercooler will suit your needs perfectly.

 

[Theturdburgler]

A 16g used to it's full potential is more than enough turbo for %75 of the people out there. If they would only make it work instead of bolting on a 6262 or the latest and greatest thing out this month. If you want to keep your side mount at least have a bigger inlet and outlet put on and duct it really good. It will help a bit bit still not as good as even a chinabay fmic.

 

[oh-b-1g]

A 16g used to it's full potential is more than enough turbo for %75 of the people out there. If they would only make it work instead of bolting on a 6262 or the latest and greatest thing out this month. If you want to keep your side mount at least have a bigger inlet and outlet put on and duct it really good. It will help a bit bit still not as good as even a chinabay fmic.

I'm sure a 16g has more than enough boost possibility for my application. I'm mostly concerned with the fastest spool up time. If I need to get a smaller turbo, I'm fine with that. This car didn't come with a working turbo so I have to buy one anyway. I just need a unit that spools fast and hard and reaches 16 or so psi. I want reliable snappy power.

 

[WES_393]

Its a 96. I just bought it last week, so don't hate. I know it looks like crap and that rear bumper is disgusting to me. The only reason I would shy away from the 16g is that I have had 3 1gs with 14bs and they all seemed to spool faster than my 96 talon tsi with a 16g. I don't really want to boost the hell out of this car ever. When I get ready for a real track car I would have to go with a 1g. I figure they would be lighter and I wouldn't care about ripping all the interior out and going for broke! (Cause that's what id be... broke. haha!) If I want more power from this car ill go with more compression probably.

The 1g comes stock with a more aggressive tune, and the 14b is smaller than a 16g, so I'm not surprised the 1g spooled faster. Although my 2g on pump gas and poor tune could still spool the 16g in the low-mid 3000 rpm range. And considering the performance of a 16g, spool time is a drop in the pond.

With a stock SMIC, I would personally focus on the most efficient turbo, not the faster spooling one. Smaller=hotter. A FMIC is not totally needed, but will do nothing but make your 300hp goal easier for you and the car.

 

[oh-b-1g]

The 1g comes stock with a more aggressive tune, and the 14b is smaller than a 16g, so I'm not surprised the 1g spooled faster. Although my 2g on pump gas and poor tune could still spool the 16g in the low-mid 3000 rpm range. And considering the performance of a 16g, spool time is a drop in the pond.

With a stock SMIC, I would personally focus on the most efficient turbo, not the faster spooling one. Smaller=hotter. A FMIC is not totally needed, but will do nothing but make your 300hp goal easier for you and the car.

That's the info I was looking for! Didn't think about a smaller turbo giving a hotter charge. I think ill go with 16g and a small front mount. Thanks!

P.s. love the facia on your talon!

 

[MaNGiNa24]

Our most popular combination is our short route 2g kit coupled with a 16g. We have hundreds of guys running these with fantastic results.

 

[Cox Abele]

spool time would be negligible between a 14b and 16g considering the fact that they both run the same turbine.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Regarding spool differences between the 14B and 16G:

Turbine Shaft Assembly is the same TD05H, yes.. but the Turbine Scroll Casing/Nozzle Area is different (6cm^2 vs. 7cm^2), and the compressor wheel's mass as well as minor and major diameters are different.

I would go with a front mount, back when I ran this experiment myself I found out that complaints of lag/response are widely exagerrated.

Maybe 200rpm difference in 1st and 2nd from what I recall, where theres not a whole lot of load to spool-up to begin with.

At WOT, you will fly through so fast you wouldn't notice anyways.

Even then, the decrease in restriction and increase in charge cooling more then made up for it.

For reference I went from a stock 1G SMIC to a 28X12x3" FMIC, so it was a pretty big change.

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If there was going to be some horrible increase in lag, I would've noticed. This is part of how I completely maxed out my 14B with max airflow at 32-35lbs/min on a routine basis during the winter.

Charge piping was 2.75" as well.

Custom J-pipe off the compressor, intercooler inlets were 3", and the only other transition in size was at the 2G throttle body elbow.

 

[jmartinez1228]

Not sure if you would be interested but a supra side mount intercooler setup could be a possibility. I used one for a short time while back (5+yrs) on my 16g before switching to a front mount setup. Didnt have any issues running 15lbs of boost. I never dynoed the car so I couldnt tell you how much I was making.

 

[cianfar]

you can try the FP T-28 depend on your budget or the availability of the turbos. You can probably find one on here in the classified ads. DSM FP Big 28 Turbo - DSM Turbo Upgrades - Turbo - DSM Performance Parts | DSMparts.com

 

[Jaime818]

I was thinking the same thing for my GST. It'll be my street driver , So I'm shooting for around 300hp. I'm going with a T-28 and would prefer to use an upgraded Sidemount but I can't seem to find one anywhere. Anyone know where I can get one? Or get one made? I contacted HahnRaceCraft, but they don't sell them anymore.

 

[4g63tc]

Umm...

You don't have a working Turbocharger, and I'm assuming zero supporting mods.

Without an Upgraded BOV, and Boost controller. The Stock Bov is lucky to hold 12 Psi.

First things first, Make up your mind, and follow the upgrade path.

Decide on what Turbocharger you want to run, 14b, 16g, T-28, Holset series, Greens, reds etc, etc.
PSi means about nothing, you're looking for flow. at 16Psi they are all flowing at different rates.

Next questions are easy, is your car an Auto or stick? Does it have ABS? these are also deciding factors on which FMIC to choose, some just don't work well with others.

Want to make 300 reliable Horses at the wheels? at a minimum, fuel pump, injectors, intake, exhaust, Safc2, or Link.(with a decent tune) WB O2 sensor, Boost gauge, MBC, aftermarket or 1g BOV. All which need to be geared to the Choice of Turbo. Then you can talk about an FMIC.

 

[danielkile]

you are going to want the fmic for sure

 

[idkiliketurbos]

I like the design/price of both the VRSF and punishment racing fmic kits, but I personally have the PR kit and I have no complaints about it.