FMIC fitment

[napkinthief]

I have a 57 trim t3/t4 and want to run a FMIC setup. What size core would be good for my 8 lbs? Also, a FMIC that doesn't need a/c removal or modification of the frame, but I can cut into the bumper cover.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I have a 57 trim t3/t4 and want to run a FMIC setup. What size core would be good for my 8 lbs? Also, a FMIC that doesn't need a/c removal or modification of the frame, but I can cut into the bumper cover.

24" x 9.5" x 3"

Actually, that's probably much bigger than what you need, but those are the dimensions of the Hahn FMIC. I'm running it and I love it. The brackets are fitted specifically for our cars so there's no cutting or anything like that. It practically bolts right up, you just might need to hack the bumper cover and support a little.

Like I said, it's probably a little bigger than what you need, but it'll be perfect if you ever want to upgrade. Plus, you'll never experience heat soak, and the inlet and outlet are on the same side to minimize complicated intercooler piping routes.

It's a little pricey ($600 for the core and mounting brackets), but it's worth it.

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/hahn/parts/intercool.htm

 

[XMasta19]

http://www.johnnyracecar.com/

 

[DSMcrazy3]

http://www.johnnyracecar.com/

Agreed..That's who I'm going with.

 

[XMasta19]

...already have it

 

[napkinthief]

That looks pretty good, what size is it and did you need to modify anything to make it fit?

 

[DSMcrazy3]

as for size its their biggest core the 8" Specs are 25 wide X 7.75 tall X 2.75 deep

That one is only $215 shipped.


Go to their site...www.johnnyracecar.com and search. They have from 5" to 8" cores. Good prices too.

 

[XMasta19]

nothin to hard, trimming of bottom of bumper cover, hacked off like half the center frame what not, then just some brackets from lowes...

 

[Talon ESI-T]

The hahn one for 600 is a steal. Normally its 800.00, makes me wish i didnt have the universal one i bought.

Terry

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Is the Hahn one for $600.00 a steal even though the JRC 8" is $215?

I just don't see how that deal is better. I know for the JRC you have to factor in piping, but that's only around $100, so that's $315 total..$285 less than the Hahn...Most people turboing the 420a now-a-days are doing their own kit, on a budget...Which is why JRC is so great..

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, there may be some factor with the Hahn FMIC that makes it better than the JRC..I know Hahns is bigger..Any other factors..Please fill me in.

 

[napkinthief]

Yea hahns may be bigger but what is the point if even the JRC one is too big for most of us anyway. Unless there are internals and the boost is being pump up, a FMIC from JRC, even the smallest one they have would be enough for our application.

I am either going with the JRC intercooler, or an ebay i/c w/ piping if I can find one under 200. The JRC intercooler is probably the best deal out there without having to get a used one or going to ebay for a no name i/c. Just my .02

 

[VelocitàPaola]

The hahn one for 600 is a steal. Normally its 800.00, makes me wish i didnt have the universal one i bought.

The IC I bought didn't come with piping. I was planning on making my own, so I called and asked if I could buy just the core. It was $600.00 with mounting hardware.

Their normal price for it was actually $900.00 with the LICP - but I couldn't see paying $300 for just that one pipe... especially when they sell the pipe separately for $109.

I don't get their pricing strategies... but I do like their IC. JRC may be the best choice for you napkinthief, I'm just saying that I'm happy with the choice I made.

 

[napkinthief]

I am not worried about the piping because I can make my own, I have a welder and pipe bender that I can access any weekend. If its not too hard, I can see myself starting a small business to support the 2gnt turbo people, and help pay for my rebuild. I just want something where I can keep my stock bumper and not have to make too much mods on the car to put the IC in. Thanks a lot for your help, and I think I am going to get one of these FMICs, probably the biggest they have.

 

[cs82685]

I am not worried about the piping because I can make my own, I have a welder and pipe bender that I can access any weekend. If its not too hard, I can see myself starting a small business to support the 2gnt turbo people, and help pay for my rebuild.

I could use some real intercooler pipes, you'll see what I mean if you check my gallery

 

[napkinthief]

Id have to say thats the cleanest ghetto rig I ever seen I know there is a market for some 2gnt piping, I will see how hard it is to make the pipes.

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Id have to say thats the cleanest ghetto rig I ever seen I know there is a market for some 2gnt piping, I will see how hard it is to make the pipes.

There certainly is a market for IC pipes. I've said it before though, the main problem is that everyone's set up is a little different than the next person's, so making custom piping is a hassle unless you have the car actually in front of you.


By the way, that is a pretty clean ghetto rig, cs82685.

 

[napkinthief]

Yes but if I make the manifold , the piping should only be off by the different turbo sizes and intercooler, which can easily be accomodated for by a small coupler. This way you can buy the whole kit at once (Pipes, manifold, i/c), and not have to get a manifold here, pipes there, i/c somewhere else, then hope everything will fit. Problem is would it be cost efficient. I think I can do it for 150 for the pipes. Ic would be another story, maybe I can get a vendor to help me out with a discount if I make a deal with them. Lets say JRC for this and their 215$ one. A manifold can be bought for 200, so I can probably offer them a little bit less around 180$. Add that up and its 545$ already. As a n/t in the process of turboing, I would not purchase this, although it is still less than the hahn fmic alone. What do you guys think?

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Yes but if I make the manifold , the piping should only be off by the different turbo sizes and intercooler, which can easily be accomodated for by a small coupler. This way you can buy the whole kit at once (Pipes, manifold, i/c), and not have to get a manifold here, pipes there, i/c somewhere else, then hope everything will fit. Problem is would it be cost efficient. I think I can do it for 150 for the pipes. Ic would be another story, maybe I can get a vendor to help me out with a discount if I make a deal with them. Lets say JRC for this and their 215$ one. A manifold can be bought for 200, so I can probably offer them a little bit less around 180$. Add that up and its 545$ already. As a n/t in the process of turboing, I would not purchase this, although it is still less than the hahn fmic alone. What do you guys think?

Start a new thread for this.

You could probably sell the manifold, IC and pipes all together, but compensating for different turbos and ICs can't be compensated for by a just coupler.

For instance, my IC has the inlet and outlet on the same side. JRC has theirs on different sides.

Then, people have all sorts of turbos. Some are oriented like the one in Hahn's kit, others are clocked. Some are center-mounted and some are pushed to the right.

The only way you could effectively make and sell IC pipes is if you sold a kit, like Hahn. It would need to include at the very least, the manifold, pipes, and IC. Then you would probably also need to specify which turbos it will and won't work with.

 

[napkinthief]

Yea this is getting a little off topic, I will give it some more thought and start a new thread after I make my pipes and see how long and how much effort it takes me, thanks for the input though.

 

[Booster2k]

sorry to go off on a tangent but at 8lbs you dont need an intercooler! And a 57trim turbo wouldnt be a good choice at 8lbs. A t25 would be better, IMO

 

[DSMcrazy3]

sorry to go off on a tangent but at 8lbs you dont need an intercooler! And a 57trim turbo wouldnt be a good choice at 8lbs. A t25 would be better, IMO

Disreguard this.^

At any boost you need an intercooler. Better safe than sorry, even if it is just alittle bitty Sidemount. Get SOMETHING. There are issues with T25s and 14bs amd such fitting properly with the o2 housings the way they are, with our turbo manifolds how we have them made.

 

[napkinthief]

sorry to go off on a tangent but at 8lbs you dont need an intercooler! And a 57trim turbo wouldnt be a good choice at 8lbs. A t25 would be better, IMO

Yea well your opinion is wrong. Thanks for the help, but it clearly says if you dont know the answer dont try to help. There are people with 60 trims boosting 8 -10 psi, why cant I boost it with a 57 trim? And why in the world would I go without an intercooler? Would you take the intercooler off your car? I think you may be in the wrong part of the forum.

And for the record, a 57 trim flows more air at any psi than a t25, therefore having 2 benefits. It wont overheat the air from working too hard, and it flows more air than a t25, meaning more power.

 

[selmerguy]

Yea well your opinion is wrong. Thanks for the help, but it clearly says if you dont know the answer dont try to help. There are people with 60 trims boosting 8 -10 psi, why cant I boost it with a 57 trim? And why in the world would I go without an intercooler? Would you take the intercooler off your car? I think you may be in the wrong part of the forum.

And for the record, a 57 trim flows more air at any psi than a t25, therefore having 2 benefits. It wont overheat the air from working too hard, and it flows more air than a t25, meaning more power.

I would like to see that chart posted.
You don't need a I/C. I went 7 months without one at 6 psi on a stock bottom end. Would I do it again.... hells no but I was stupid.
As far as the t 25 being a better turbo at 8 psi I would agree with that. 8 psi should be nothing for that 57 trim but it will take it alot longer to spool then the t 25. The t 25 would spool sooner and at 8 psi it would pull you to red line with no problem. Look at the people with star kits running close to the same turbo. When they do dyno pulls at low psi they get lower numbers then people with the smaller t3's and smaller MIT. turbos. This is just a fact of life. Now at 15 to 20 psi the 57 trim would blow the t 25 away.

 

[Talon ESI-T]

You def need an intercooler. When at 8psi during 85 degree days, my intake temp is 150 degrees after a couple real long pulls on the highway. This is with the star intercooler, which as everyone knows here is way to small. 17psi is to the point i can only make one pull before everythign is way to hot.

I havent tested out the new IC yet so cant comment there.

Terry

 

[Booster2k]

Okay okay I see you guys are all on the defense about the intercooler, let me explain where I was coming from. On an 85 degree day At 8psi boost and a 70%comp effeciency on the turbo, the outlet temp at 8psi would be about 170F thats not that high! Therefore you dont NEED an intercooler. could one be of benefit, YES but its not required, def not a big expensive FMIC a good used sidemount would work fine. Now at 20psi your looking at temps closer to 300psi now see the big difference there! So all you guys that dont do the math, should figure that stuff before you go jumping ont he you have to have thing. Sorry to step on toes but I was just trying to save some headache and money for you!