FFWD Cams..??

[Flavor-DSM]

Hey guys.. I'm in the middle of a rebuild and was thinking about dropping in some cams.. I know everyone swears by HKS but.. I am still considering my options.. FFWD Cams have a decent price.. I know they are reground and all but is it REALLY that huge of a deal? They look very appealing.. since my budget isn't Donald Trump big.. I want to get the L2

They say-
A SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT OUR CAMS: There has been some talk within forums and whatnot that these cams are "spray welded" or exhibit some other cheap crap done to them during the regrind process. These cams are NOT welded on and are just as hard on the outside as they are on the inside. The grinding process does not detract from its surface hardness. Period.

In fact, cams that have already been run for years and years (such as in regrinds), have proven themselves in longevity whereas the brand new stuff, might have manufacturing flaws within the casting or billet that will certainly rear its ugly head during useage.
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Also it comes with a full 1 year warranty..Sooo

Anyone have any experience with them?

 

[iboostdoyou]

The website says "*Note: 2nd Generation cars will need to modify these camshafts to accomodate the OEM cam angle sensor* " Any idea exactly what they are referring to here? Not just a guess as to what they mean, I need answers from people with 2g's that have installed these, or people who have gotten this information directly from ffwd themselves. Thanks

 

[i1nk83]

I believe it is refering to the 95-96's that didnt have the external CAS. Not positive on that tho.

 

[andymoraitis]

The website says "*Note: 2nd Generation cars will need to modify these camshafts to accomodate the OEM cam angle sensor* " Any idea exactly what they are referring to here? Not just a guess as to what they mean, I need answers from people with 2g's that have installed these, or people who have gotten this information directly from ffwd themselves. Thanks

What they mean is that the intake cam will have to pre-tapped to accomodate the cam angle sensor. Darren can perform this service for you, for a small fee, prior to shipping. I've already discussed doing this on mine and it's not a hard thing to do nor is it expensive.

Hope that helps,

Andy

 

[iboostdoyou]

Oh alright, so basically you just tap the end of the cam itself for the cas correct? That's exactly the kind of response I was looking for, thank you Andy

 

[Stratus]

Its probably easier to have them tap it. I must have overlooked that when I bought mine. Its not hard to do but make sure you have a good tap. I had 2 cheap taps that would not cut at all. I finally went and got an Irwin tap from home depot and it cut like butter. It also comes with the correct size drill bit for the tap. If you do it your self, put the cam gear on the end of the cam so it will stand up staight while you drill and tap.

As far as how the cams are holding up, its been almost 2 months and I love em. I dropped my idle back down to 750 with DSMlink and it idles NICE with just enough lump to know its cammed.

 

[Boostin16gGSX]

aright...sorry to bring this thread back to life....but i finally got the cams installed in the car....i got to start it one time due to me not having an o2 housing right now....and they sound awesome.....so now im just waitin for an o2 housing....after 1 MONTH!!!! of waiting for RNR to ship one to me....i finally decided to cancel my order today and order one from victory performance instead.....but ill keep u guys posted on the cams plus a video so ya'll can see how they sound....

 

[THE_ARTIST_]

zombie thread!

sorry to bring back from the dead, but any updates 2 years later? longevity, power, how are they holding up? thx.

 

[Black99gst]

+1 interested!!!! i just read the whole thread... i'm almost sold for the 97!

 

[mrtalon40]

I got the DKS 272's, my build is pretty much new, I have 400 miles on my motor with the cams, they work excellent,farrrrrr better than stock!! I am loving ever minute if them, they sound real good plus I am making a bunch more power than my stock setup!

 

[mochilli]

I just got some 264/272 HKS cams for $320 shipped. I am just wondering how much work will be involved, i want to Rev past the redline, so ill probably get bettert valve springs and retainers. When i drop them in, will i have to tune the car? or is it just drop and play?

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

sorry to bring this back up but this thread seems to be the most informative when it comes to DKS cams.. even has the rare video of someone who has it.

admins and mods please add "DKS" to the title so it comes up with title search only. I knew there had to be more information on DKS cams so i did entire message search.

Anyways I was going with the BC 272s, but after some reading, i'm starting to lean towards these DKS cams. (272/272)

They are regrinds and near identical to the HKS, and the hks are the tried and true.

Looks like they are $297 + shipping, but only after you return a good core of stock cams. I believe its a $30 core charge. Does FFWD just credit back your card once they get your stock cams?

I'm leaning towards these as mentioned because they mirror HKS, and HKS with the proven results, i could go with the BC which are a bit cheaper (no core to exchange), but (I know this is just a guess) after seeing this thread: Ams Evo Cam Test - evolutionm.net

yes they are evo cam comparison, you can see the HKS 272s still make more power than both the BC2 and BC3 cams. And again since DKS are supposedly HKS mirrored regrinds, it would make more power than the BC cams in the DSM sense. Unfortunately the old AMS DSM cam test didn't have the BC cams..

AMS Infamous DSM Camtest | HKS | Crower| Jun | Web

I believe Crower cams they test there are not BC. So yea I'm going by assumptions based on EVO cam testing, but if there are some hks/dks comparison to BC I did not see it. But this is why I'm solely leaning toward FFWD DKS cams..

any thoughts?


EDIT, i found a similar thread..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/296409-hks-272s-vs-briancrower-280s-2.html

 

[stuckwithgsx]

Just to chip in my .02 i personally have bought product from ffwdconnection.com I spent a well over a grand for one thing and recently went to put it in and as i further inspected the product was faulty so i email ffwd and they refuse they ever sent this product out in such a condition and on top of that refuse to help out in fixing this. Mind you still that is not the only thing i've bought from ffwd. I've spent well enough to where i should of been taken care of and problem fixed at somewhat of a discount for ffwd's mistake. But since they don't sell bad product and don't ever miss seeing anything wrong with something they ship out ffwd just leaves some people over $1200 in a bind for leaving yet another dsm stuck in a backyard somewhere staying off the road..... what a dissappointment

 

[turboglenn]

I currently run the DKS 264/272 combo and besides the shims under the lifters to compensate for regrinding the center journals i think they are a great buy! I've had mine in for bout a year and a half and i beat my car constantly and they take all the abuse and never cry a bit.

and Darren's (ffwd's) service is top nothc

 

[stuckwithgsx]

Well you can tell me Darren's service is top notch all you want but you can't prove it as i do have first hand experience now. But not going to lie that it does SEEM to be all top notch at first, and probably stays top notch until something goes wrong. I'm no liar or trash talker just someone trying to help someone else out who may possibly get screwed like i did from darren at ffwd.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

You can see on the top of this page I was thinking about going with FFWD, but I found out about another company who does HKS regrinds as well for less.. they offer it in the same profiles 264s, 272s, 280s..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cyl...ta-camshaft-4g63-272-cams-preview-review.html

After I get these running and tested to work well, we can finally have another competitor in regrinds which are close to $100 less.. no more monopoly

 

[cruisintalonawd]

You have to shim the lifter? how much?

 

[jstgon]

Bringing back the dead. How are these cams doing now? Looking at getting a set for next season.

 

[LTUSPE]

I just got a set from Darren (DKS 264/272). I'm hoping to have the motor put back together next weekend IF a certain vendor gets off their ass and ships my timing parts. I'll save that rant for when/if they actually decide to respond to me.

I'll update this if I remember but from my initial impressions of just looking at them they seem to be great quality for regrinds. There was no pitting, nicks or anything of the sort when I got them. They looked like brand new, never run cams. On a related note, it would be nice to have open/close degree specs at .050" lift so we could zero out the cams to have a good baseline to start with. If these specs are out there I haven't seen them. All I've seen is the duration and center specs.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

Check out DELTA camshafts. They are the same cams, But VERY VERY GOOD PRICES. I just ordered 280's.

 

[LTUSPE]

Check out DELTA camshafts. They are the same cams, But VERY VERY GOOD PRICES. I just ordered 280's.

I wouldn't exactly say they are the same cams. DKS cams are not spray welded.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I wouldn't exactly say they are the same cams. DKS cams are not spray welded.

Weird, I were told right from the ''horses mouth'', FFWD connection sells' delta cams... As for delta, They can give you brand new cams for $300, Or regrinds for $180.

Who knows, We'll see how these 280's work, I plan to push them far.

I've used DKS 272 regrinds about 4 years ago, never had a single problem with them.

 

[DSMtsi23]

Just got my head back from the machine shop with the new DKS 264/272 cams installed. Be putting the car back together this weekend. I'll Let u guys know what my impressions of them are. PLus ill see if i can get a video posted

 

[Delta Cam]

I wouldn't exactly say they are the same cams. DKS cams are not spray welded.

Spray welded? where oh where did you get that info? Please post a link if it was posted.

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[Jimmer307]

Dead thread revival for the 3rd time...

I was just curious if anyone has any kind of updates for either the Delta Cams or DKS Cams?

I'm about to start building a head, and was commited to buying HKS or FP cams. After reading on and on about Delta's & DKS, I have been pursuaded to go with one of the two.

 

[blackGSX2g]

I've been on my DKS 264/272 combo for several years now with no major issues. There is a bit of what looks like pitting on some of the lobes that I noticed last year, but it hasn't affected anything or scuffed up the rockers at all.

As far as power, I have my dyno sheet and mod list up to date in my profile if anyone wants to see, as well as my timeslip from over the summer. I do have an idle video in my Varex muffler thread if anyone wants to see it, but it's probably not the best demonstration of idle sounds/characteristics.