evo 8 turbo on 1st gen

[wevo1985]

hi, i cant seen to find a thread on this and im sure im putting this in the wrong area, but it wont let me post this anyplace else. so if this needs to be moved, sorry mods.

but awhile back i saw a manifold to put the stock evo 8 turbo on a 1st or 2nd gen and was wondering if that was out on the market. if so can anyone point me in the right direction to purchase it or if someone has one they want to sell just let me know.

or even if anyone has done this can give me any info, like numbers and pics of how it looks.

thanks
martin

 

[bastarddsm]

Can you? Yes. Does it make much sense to? No.

Your a dickbeater. Superfast spool, 47lb/min, less backpressure, better scavanging, all seem to make pretty good sense to me, but then again I don't have a stock 2g, so what do I know.

 

[SpawnedX]

The OP's "goals" here today were to find my manifold.

Re-read the original post my man...

You addressed me, not vice versa. I think I am just going to change my post to say "can't be done" just to burn your nerves.

It still is a waste for a stock Evo turbo...unless of course you sell that manifold for $500.00.

 

[wkmitsu]

The only manifold I see looks pretty pricey for results that have been achieved off simple direct bolt on turbos with these cars for years. Last I checked, I didn't say it couldn't be done.

I mostly agree with this. That is an expensive manifold to buy to bolt up a stock part from another car. If someone started producing an affordable cast manifold, like the FP Race manifold, that would make an evo VIII or IX turbo bolt up like this, a lot more people would become interested in running it I think. I would use it then. But like Spawned said, there are perfectly good alternative options that are going to not involve buying an $800 manifold, to get similar results.

 

[DSMraver]

It still is a waste for a stock Evo turbo...unless of course you sell that manifold for $500.00.

In your opinion.

Shearer makes one for the Evo, and it's ~$1100: Shearer Fabrications - Products

 

[SpawnedX]

In your opinion.

This is opinion:

2G DSMs are better looking than 1G DSMs.

This is a fact:

The power and goals you can get out of a stock Evo turbo and a very expensive manifold, could have been achieved for less on a traditional setup.

Tell me the difference between the guy running this Evo setup pushing an 11.5 and a 20G pushing an 11.5? Other than technical specifications and numbers, they both did the same damn thing in the end, one cost half the price.

 

[wevo1985]

This is opinion:

2G DSMs are better looking than 1G DSMs.

This is a fact:

The power and goals you can get out of a stock Evo turbo and a very expensive manifold, could have been achieved for less on a traditional setup.

Tell me the difference between the guy running this Evo setup pushing an 11.5 and a 20G pushing an 11.5? Other than technical specifications and numbers, they both did the same damn thing in the end, one cost half the price.

what if i was looking to be cost efficent in the future and have a better street car? who are you to say what i should and should not do. just selling a 600hp evo and having 10sec timeslips on a 37r, only 1 sec faster than an fpgreen, maybe i think this is a better setup for what i want.

 

[DSMraver]

This is a fact:

The power and goals you can get out of a stock Evo turbo and a very expensive manifold, could have been achieved for less on a traditional setup.

No, it's not, and that's where you're getting it all wrong.

Tell me the difference between the guy running this Evo setup pushing an 11.5 and a 20G pushing an 11.5? Other than technical specifications and numbers, they both did the same damn thing in the end, one cost half the price.

The difference will be UNDER THE CURVE, which is the entire point.

 

[SpawnedX]

what if i was looking to be cost efficent in the future and have a better street car? who are you to say what i should and should not do. just selling a 600hp evo and having 10sec timeslips on a 37r, only 1 sec faster than an fpgreen, maybe i think this is a better setup for what i want.

No one is telling you what to do. I don't personally care that you don't like your money.

And at the end of the day an 11.5 is an 11.5, one cost less. Your other numbers are meaningless, unless your goal is to just produce a pice of paper that says my car should theoretically be fast and efficient. It doesn't change the fact that an 11.5 is an 11.5.

But as usual OP has mysterious goals. I am all for finding new ways to do things, but not when the result is the same.

 

[1990AWD]

Mike, I agree with you on most everything.

This set-up is pointlessly expensive for the ultimate HP numbers you could get, but for someone doing autocross for example, an Evo9 twin scroll will flow more and spool faster than an Evo3. That's what matters.

It all depends on the situation.

 

[wevo1985]

No one is telling you what to do. I don't personally care that you don't like your money.

And at the end of the day an 11.5 is an 11.5, one cost less. Your other numbers are meaningless, unless your goal is to just produce a pice of paper that says my car should theoretically be fast and efficient. It doesn't change the fact that an 11.5 is an 11.5.

But as usual OP has mysterious goals. I am all for finding new ways to do things, but not when the result is the same.

well, me being the op. i know what the goals are that i want. i didnt tell them because i was just asking about a manifold i knew i saw and im interested.

here is where i stand right now. i but the manifold and o2 and it cost around 1400 shipped and all. have the turbo already.put it all in and find i want to go faster, ok. i send the turbo to fp and have it upgraded. cost 2000 for a black, which is a 35r that spools super fast, and is great on the street. in the end im in just over 3k for a turbo kit that is all new stuff and good for over 600hp with supporting mods that i already have as well. that doesnt sound too bad to me. and having use these turbos and the way they are on the steet doesnt compare to the t3 or t4 turbos at all. they really still spool close to stock.

Mike, I agree with you on most everything.

This set-up is pointlessly expensive for the ultimate HP numbers you could get, but for someone doing autocross for example, an Evo9 twin scroll will flow more and spool faster than an Evo3. That's what matters.

It all depends on the situation.

the situation is, its a street car so quick spool and good tq are what im looking for. so yes, more of an autocross car would be an example

 

[SpawnedX]

well, me being the op. i know what the goals are that i want. i didnt tell them because i was just asking about a manifold i knew i saw and im interested.

here is where i stand right now. i but the manifold and o2 and it cost around 1400 shipped and all. have the turbo already.put it all in and find i want to go faster, ok. i send the turbo to fp and have it upgraded. cost 2000 for a black, which is a 35r that spools super fast, and is great on the street. in the end im in just over 3k for a turbo kit that is all new stuff and good for over 600hp with supporting mods that i already have as well. that doesnt sound too bad to me. and having use these turbos and the way they are on the steet doesnt compare to the t3 or t4 turbos at all. they really still spool close to stock.

Yes you spent a whole lot of money to make the same power you could have for nearly half the price. Look I own a GST as well...why in sam's hell you want that much faster spool is beyond me.

It's your money, do what you want, but that money would have been better served on a transmission rebuild with a Quaife.

 

[wevo1985]

Yes you spent a whole lot of money to make the same power you could have for nearly half the price. Look I own a GST as well...why in sam's hell you want that much faster spool is beyond me.

It's your money, do what you want, but that money would have been better served on a transmission rebuild with a Quaife.

this isnt going on the gst, i have 3 dsm's in all. and i have an hyundai genesis coupe r-spec too. this set up is going on one of the 2 awd talons i have.

 

[SpawnedX]

Well I find your argument moot still, considering what Andrew Brilliant has done and the turbo he has done it on. Your gains are going to be marginal.

 

[Dsm4lyfe12]

Yes you spent a whole lot of money to make the same power you could have for nearly half the price. Look I own a GST as well...why in sam's hell you want that much faster spool is beyond me.

It's your money, do what you want, but that money would have been better served on a transmission rebuild with a Quaife.

+1 on stupid idea, considering you could put that money to buy many more things to make more power. But if you have the turbo laying around, fab a new manifold. And send the turbo out.

Also, i wouldnt touch that manifold with a 10 foot pole..being a pipefitter and all, those welds look like they were done by a blind two year old. I bet the ebay welds look better than that.

 

[wevo1985]

+1 on stupid idea, considering you could put that money to buy many more things to make more power. But if you have the turbo laying around, fab a new manifold. And send the turbo out.

Also, i wouldnt touch that manifold with a 10 foot pole..being a pipefitter and all, those welds look like they were done by a blind two year old. I bet the ebay welds look better than that.

that i do, the turbo is still pretty much new. i can most likely tig my own manifold and o2. i really just wanted to see the pics and prices, and if they wherent super expensive i wouldve just bought it. this being a car im just playing with to see what really gets me places, ill just take the time and make my own manifold.

wither some of you guys thinks its a stupid idea or not, im one of those guys that cant knock it till i try it. because its a real burn when someone does something you told them they cant.

 

[Dsm4lyfe12]

well, good for you good luck man, Continue on what your doing!

 

[SpawnedX]

that i do, the turbo is still pretty much new. i can most likely tig my own manifold and o2. i really just wanted to see the pics and prices, and if they wherent super expensive i wouldve just bought it. this being a car im just playing with to see what really gets me places, ill just take the time and make my own manifold.

wither some of you guys thinks its a stupid idea or not, im one of those guys that cant knock it till i try it. because its a real burn when someone does something you told them they cant.

No one said you can't do it, which I think is surprising forthe newbie forum, but some of us are saying the cost to benefit isn't that great. I would be more for something like a person trying to fab MIVEC into our cars.

 

[wevo1985]

No one said you can't do it, which I think is surprising forthe newbie forum, but some of us are saying the cost to benefit isn't that great. I would be more for something like a person trying to fab MIVEC into our cars.

i know you didnt say i cant do it, but you are hitting at it being the worst thing in the world you think i can do.

you may think that cost to benefit isnt great, but what if i do. its all a preference.

for example, your MIVEC thery, you like it. but i dont, im aware of how hard it is to tune the car and some of the problem that happened, but for autocross the MIVEC did perform well. but the amount of time and labor and headachs that their would be, i dont think its worth it

 

[SpawnedX]

i know you didnt say i cant do it, but you are hitting at it being the worst thing in the world you think i can do.

you may think that cost to benefit isnt great, but what if i do. its all a preference.

for example, your MIVEC thery, you like it. but i dont, im aware of how hard it is to tune the car and some of the problem that happened, but for autocross the MIVEC did perform well.

I don't like MIVEC, I just like that it hasn't been done, it's a challenge.

The worst thing in the world you could do by the way is punch baby Jesus.

 

[wevo1985]

I don't like MIVEC, I just like that it hasn't been done, it's a challenge.

The worst thing in the world you could do by the way is punch baby Jesus.

but anyway, like i said, this is just stuff i want to play with and see where it goes. you never know till you actually try it. and i have alot of the stuff.

but just so you know, im the kind of person that if i did have an extra evo 9 engine, i wouldve tried to put it in already. .

 

[Deuce_three]

On ebay ive seen a dsm-evo flange adapter that are sold for a fairly cheap price. Not sure if it will work right since i havnt seen anyone use it yet. But if i does, that would be a really cheap setup then buying that manifold

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[wevo1985]

On ebay ive seen a dsm-evo flange adapter that are sold for a fairly cheap price. Not sure if it will work right since i havnt seen anyone use it yet. But if i does, that would be a really cheap setup then buying that manifold

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that would work, but than its not really a twin scroll setup than, so than it would be pointless.

 

[Detroit Style]

This is opinion:

2G DSMs are better looking than 1G DSMs.

This is a fact:

The power and goals you can get out of a stock Evo turbo and a very expensive manifold, could have been achieved for less on a traditional setup.

Tell me the difference between the guy running this Evo setup pushing an 11.5 and a 20G pushing an 11.5? Other than technical specifications and numbers, they both did the same damn thing in the end, one cost half the price.

The difference and benefit is, power under the curve. Having torque down low where you need it, is something you must not understand. But, this is coming from a guy who has been playing with v8s that run 8s all day on the street, with full interior and on pump.

I hate to break it to you but, the OP says he wants a street car and guess what? To have a fast street car you DO NOT want a laggy 20g, or any other turbo that you need to wait for. Its just wasted RPM and time, getting you no where but behind the person next to you.

How would that 20g at 11.5lbs compare to a twin scroll 16g at 11.5lbs? Well, how about we run two identical cars minus the turbos and find out.

Yes you spent a whole lot of money to make the same power you could have for nearly half the price. Look I own a GST as well...why in sam's hell you want that much faster spool is beyond me.

It's your money, do what you want, but that money would have been better served on a transmission rebuild with a Quaife.

Owning a turbo FWD car, if I was going for something killer. I would want a twin scroll. And, I may even go that route with a FP(insert color here). The whole stock turbo look is something that matters to me as well. But, I have an auto and I'm not afraid to play with boost by gear/speed for a form of traction control. For me, having a big fancy turbo that is out of place, just screams race car. Its hard to get races if you don't have a street car.

I don't like MIVEC, I just like that it hasn't been done, it's a challenge.

The worst thing in the world you could do by the way is punch baby Jesus.

Why would you not like variable valve timing?! Look at Honda, it just works. Have more power under the curve, and a more street-able setup then when you need it. BAM! Power! Granted Honda does it with the cams and a more aggressive lobe profile but, the concept and result is the same.

On ebay ive seen a dsm-evo flange adapter that are sold for a fairly cheap price. Not sure if it will work right since i havnt seen anyone use it yet. But if i does, that would be a really cheap setup then buying that manifold

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That is what it is, an adapter. You will not get the benefits of having a twin scroll housing.

Sincerely,
Stock Talon Street Car Guy.

 

[Revshift]

Also, i wouldnt touch that manifold with a 10 foot pole..being a pipefitter and all, those welds look like they were done by a blind two year old. I bet the ebay welds look better than that.

Really? A blind two year old? I don't think so.

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Maybe you should make manifolds 4lyfe if you are so awesome.

 

[wevo1985]

Really? A blind two year old? I don't think so.

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Maybe you should make manifolds 4lyfe if you are so awesome.

they look pretty dam good to me.