Dual BB 50 Trim VS Green

[SFRacingGST]

Please give me some advice. I am finally in the market for a new turbo upgrade. I have followed all of the upgrade paths and finally have ALL of the supporting mods (including 280 cams, 3 inch exhaust, Fully built block, fully built ported head, SBR front mount, 3 inch MAFT, DSM link etc.) I have been running the EVO 16g until now. I am very interested in keeping it street able with a quick spool up time. My HP goals are mid 4’s on pump and high 4s on race hitting low 11’s possibly. I want to keep the turbo setup a mitsu style and use my SBR exhaust mani and EVOIII 02 housing. Right now I am trying to research the FP green series turbo (http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...Code=NTDSMFPGREEN&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo)and the SBR dual bb 50 Trim (http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=5273&). I was wondering if anyone can give some info about these turbos. How do they compare for track times and HP?

 

[TurboDSMer]

As far as i'm aware the Green is faster down the 1/4 mile and can produce around 430whp on pump not sure about race gas. No real experience with the two turbos. I have researched the green because i have thought about getting it and my goals are similar to yours. The difference between the two turbos is probably very minimal in the numbers your looking to achieve.

I am personally going to go with an FP3052 or what and see what the new FP31 series is all about. I know you said that you don't want to change the manifold or the O2 housing but some times you have to give a little to get some thing way better. The FP 3052 can produce around 500whp on pump and around 550 on race gas. just some other information for you to think about. But between the two other turbos like i said before your are looking at almost identical numbers being produced by the two. Not sure if you are on a budget thing but if you are go with the one that is cheaper.

 

[TurboDSMer]

1/4 time Trap 1/8 Trap 60' Turbo
#28 Matt Glavich 10.862 129.68 7.035 102.00 1.689 fp green int. w/g w/ nitrous
#32 Carl Vonnegut 11.127 130.98 7.266 101.79 1.743 FP Green 8cm
#50 Jessica Striffler 11.513 119.60 7.416 95.56 1.645 SBR G50

Those times were taken from www.dsmtimes.org from the 2g section as that is what you have and these would interest you the most.

 

[slugsgomoo]

Frankly, I don't like internally gated 50 trims. I'd sell the evo3 o2 housing, and look at one of those turbos with an external gate. I don't know a ton about the other turbo, but the green definitely makes terrific pump gas numbers.

 

[twinkiemobile]

Speaking from experience.

Green has incredible spool.
great torque.
made lots of power up top as well.
I ran it with the 38mm tial gate off of the o2 housing worked perfect.
had a great experience with the FP turbo that's why i'm upgrading the the 3065

 

[snooopy365]

stupid question: is the green a BB turbo?

 

[90blacktsiawd]

No the green is not a dual BB turbo. Either can probably get you to your power goals. I'd have to lean towards FP because of personal issues with SBR. There are several other 50 trim variants out there. You don't have to limit yourself to just these 2.

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

stupid question: is the green a BB turbo?

FP Green is NOT BB turbo, it is journal bearing type in either wet or dry bearing housing.
I'm using the Green in wet bearing housing for more than 4 years and I love it.

 

[LaN-]

I also am in the market for 1 of these turbos. One big thing for me is spool. I want a BB obviously for the spool but i also want a bolt on turbo that i can keep my O2 housing without spending insane amount of money on the FP V clamp setup.

Anyone that has posted so far saying they have a green could you post info about how well the turbo spools?

I may be considering to build up a 2.3 which will help but either way i'm new to alot of this and just trying to learn

Thanks

 

[Drifter27_04]

I would like to get in on this thread to as I am in the market of a 50trim. I am looking at a internal WG from Precision and was wondering if anyone can speak for a internal WG and there experience with it.

 

[SFRacingGST]

Does the FP3052 come with a 3inch inlet? that is a pretty sweet turbo? Can you run a wastegate off the manifold or does it have to do off the 02?? Does forced performance sell the 02 housings needed??

 

[SFRacingGST]

I am not typcally on a budget route, however i am not looking to spend crazy money with the setup. I just bought a SBR Manifold ported and drilled for a wastegate and ive always has an EVO III o2 housing. Will the green bolt up to my setup i have already? Will the FP3052 bolt up to the mani fold? I would need a new 02 housing, but could i still run my wastegate on the manifold?? Please let me know alittle more about this turbo. I have about 2grand to spend, however i am going to need a Wastegate and Injectors as well as the turbo.

 

[TSIMonsteR]

Have you thought about any PTE turbos? Personally, I am going with the Bolt on GT30R (3076r I believe). Dejon has a good deal on them. Spool should be similar, if not a little later, but the potential power is greater.

 

[90blacktsiawd]

The FP30 turbos are all designed to run a wastegate off the 02 housing. I'm sure you could come up with something to block off the wastegate outlet on the turbo if you really wanted to. They will bolt up to and mitsu flanged exhaust manifold.

The green will bolt right up to your current setup.

 

[definitiveno]

FP > all

green = 50 trim, possibly leaning towards the 50 trim

T3 50 trim > green

cost of a green = cost of a fp30xx turbo

fp30xx turbo > all other bolt on turbo's

 

[TSIMonsteR]

FP > all

cost of a green < cost of a fp30xx turbo + V-band o2 housing ($200) + 44mm Tial Wastgate ($350)

fixed

Cost of bolt-on GT30 from PTE which is capable of 580Hp and spools at 3800 = $1189

 

[SFRacingGST]

will the GT30R bolt up to the setup i have now?? So the green spools up at 38, the GT30R spools up at 38, what does the 50trim BB spool?

 

[definitiveno]

fixed

Cost of bolt-on GT30 from PTE which is capable of 580Hp and spools at 3800 = $1189

I would upgrade that stuff anyway, internal gate and stock o2 housing have no place attached to a new ball bearing unit. Granted they work, but they are limiting factors. So whats the grand total difference, even if I stayed internal gate.

add an extra hundred to the listed cost of turbo for an internal gate, let's not even mention the flow of the 5 bolt housing compared to FP's unit, and maintain the 250 for an o2 housing, cause personally I would upgrade that anyways. Difference of 200 dollars for an exponentially better system is livable.


Only difference is that you can't bolt each little part on as soon as you get it.

 

[LaN-]

I would upgrade that stuff anyway, internal gate and stock o2 housing have no place attached to a new ball bearing unit. Granted they work, but they are limiting factors. So whats the grand total difference, even if I stayed internal gate.

add an extra hundred to the listed cost of turbo for an internal gate, let's not even mention the flow of the 5 bolt housing compared to FP's unit, and maintain the 250 for an o2 housing, cause personally I would upgrade that anyways. Difference of 200 dollars for an exponentially better system is livable.


Only difference is that you can't bolt each little part on as soon as you get it.

you also have to remember the 300 bucks for the external wastegate and the 200 bucks to modify your downpipe to bolt up to everything new.

 

[definitiveno]

you also have to remember the 300 bucks for the external wastegate and the 200 bucks to modify your downpipe to bolt up to everything new.

I did add the external but I didn't know the downpipe needed modification.



That sucks that I had a turbo back exhaust welded for 170 and some one is charging you 200 to modify a downpipe. I would shop around if that was the case, but again, didn't realize FP's O2 housing would not bolt up to aftermarket downpipes. Looks like a good fit in this picture...........

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[blcknspo0ln]

Just to chime in for the internal gate BB50 and standard 50 trim guys. I have ran 25 psi on pump gas on a PTE BB5031RLE with no creep/spike. DSMLink logged 1.9second 60-90 runs (good for 116-120 traps) and have ran a 12.7@109 with NO tunning with a plainjane SAFC1. Cost? 850 bucks for the turbo (I got it before the price skyrocketed).

If I did it again? FP3065 with turbine mounted wastegate and recirc (along with their new manifold ) Granted, that's ~1600 bucks I'd be paying, but I would never have to bolt on another turbo. Just an FYI, I will be looking for a larger turbo SOON because the 50 trim will soon not be enough

 

[TSIMonsteR]

$1,289 total for an internally gated Bolt on GT30R capable of 580hp from Dejon
$2,023 for an FP3065 with Tial WG and dump tube and FP o2 housing. (prices from FP with no extra options) capable of maybe 600hp?

 

[TSIMonsteR]

P.S.- I know the FP is a better turbo, I'm not arguing that, but the PTE 30/35r is an incredible value for a street car.

 

[definitiveno]

$1,289 total for an internally gated Bolt on GT30R capable of 580hp from Dejon
$2,023 for an FP3065 with Tial WG and dump tube and FP o2 housing. (prices from FP with no extra options) capable of maybe 600hp?

Dejon measures brake hp, and to keep things even the 3065 would be rated around 700 brake hp. But I Stand by my previous statement, most would upgrade their o2 housing anyway and an fp3052 would be a better comparo. Slanted heavily towards the FP unit still, but better.


I know the FP unit costs more, I do pay attention to that too, but in this instance the benefits outweigh the costs. You guys don't know what that 5 bolt housing is doing to your potential.

Straightline dyno'ed a 50 hp difference from a 5 bolt internal gate bolt on to an external gate full t3 setup. Next to t3 and flowing equally, is none other than Forced Performances FP30 units. Granted not every one has a 500hp car.


Point is if my 450hp car could be a 500hp car due to a different turbine housing I would add it into the equation.

 

[TurboDSMer]

I have heard off a block off plate you can buy so you can run a manifold monted wastegate. But i was once in the postions where i didn't want to change any thing on my set up and every thing had to work out and that really limited me to my options. If it takes you an extra month of saving money it is worth getting the FP3052. Most people will say get a FP3065, which is bigger incase you didn't know, but it honestly isn't worth it. Unless you plan on revving to 8k+ and dealing with spool up time around 4,500rpm it's not the turbo for you. The 3052 will be plenty of turbo for you. If you ask me i think it is on the same level as a Red but spools faster 3,700-3,800 rpm.