DSM's vs. Hondas

[MY_Game]

I have beaten many other cars like regular honda civics, avengers, tiberans, maxima, and accords. I just raced the prelude yesterday and he has intake and exhaust and everything and he beat me by probably 3 cars, but he is fast. There is nobody else in the group just us three and that is one of the best things because everyone wants to be in but nobody can get it. It is about hitting performance hard. Two members on this site Sequel and turboedoutlaser are being #@%#@%#@% and stalkin me around the site with every post I write and every picture I put up but they dont even realize I have not had my body kit on for 2 months and all of my money goes to the stage II hahn turbo i am gettin in May, but they think that is rice.

 

[snake eyes]

I recently raced a honda I don't know what kind but it was heavily modified. I beat him off the line, I heard a really loud hissing noise coming from his car then he blew past me. At the time I had a broken tach, cracked exhaust manifold and my cams weren't lined ud right. Now that my car is fixed I'll be looking for that honda for a rematch. Are honda's faster than dsm's? It depends on the driver and the $$$$ invested in the car.

 

[Bluedragondsm]

i beat an old integra with a dohc vtec swaped into it im lost now?

 

[MaineDSM]

"There is much stupidity in this thread."

In truth, most ricers around this area think Hondas
can beat DSMs. I was just at a race where the Hondas were all smacking around the DSMs. This is because the DSMs were so screwed up, beaten up or just old that they were running about 2 seconds slower than stock. It was really sad.

When I stepped up to the plate, with my high-13sec DSM, and spanked them all, they were stunned. Truely amusing.

 

[Bluedragondsm]

excatly i hear all these people saying there getting spanked by civics and what not then i race these cars and hammer them its just because if your not nice to your car then your car wont be nice to you

 

[Jason]

listen...dsm's weigh a heck of a lot more than hondas do. the stock rs or gs runs about mid 16's on 140 hp. that's not too bad compared to some other cars like sohc hondas, neons, and escorts...the dohc hondas like the si and prelude run in the mid to high 15's stock on 160+ hp. now if you start modding them up the hondas are going to be a lot more responsive to the mods. i'm not saying that dsm's can't beat them, driving has a lot to do with it. that's just my 2 cents.

 

[Jason]

this was on another post http://www.phathonda.com/times/

 

[MaineDSM]

Originally posted by Jason
listen...dsm's weigh a heck of a lot more than hondas do. the stock rs or gs runs about mid 16's on 140 hp. that's not too bad compared to some other cars like sohc hondas, neons, and escorts...the dohc hondas like the si and prelude run in the mid to high 15's stock on 160+ hp. now if you start modding them up the hondas are going to be a lot more responsive to the mods. i'm not saying that dsm's can't beat them, driving has a lot to do with it. that's just my 2 cents.

The sad thing is, I forgot that this is the Non-Turbo part of the board. I was talking about TURBO DSMs getting beaten by Hondas. The Honda guys were *suprised* my TURBO AWD DSM beat their cars.

I live in Maine, people are poor and/or ignorant of imports, so most DSMs up here are in such bad shape, they can't beat a Honda, turbo or no.

So, I'm agreeing with you, I'm just saying the situation in my area is even worse than you can imagine. When a Turbo DSM gets beat by a pretty much stock riced-out Honda, it's a sad, sad, day in DSM World.

 

[4g63tc]

Originally posted by MaineDSM





I live in Maine, people are poor and/or ignorant

how could you say that? Maine is a wonderful State with great family values(where else is it perfectly fine to miss school to go fishing/hunting with your dad?) To say that the People are Ignorant or poor is a generalization.....it could be worse you could be canadian!

besides where in maine do you live?

 

[twoboosted]

First for the guy(2000 si) that said JRSC hits full boost right away is full of @#$#. The kit is set up to boost gradually thru the rpm range it doesn't boost like a turbo.

I have a 97 prelude stupacharged and have beaten a 90 eclipse w/a 50 shot and two gsx's. In the same respect I 've also lost to a gst and a gsx and I think that covers the modded cars in town here. Before I get flamed for this, I'm not saying either car is better just what I have beaten and what I've lost too.

Right now I have a 90 gs turbo that I'm building for the track this season and so far my gs can't touch my prelude. But I feel I can comment on both. Also neither car is better than the other it's a personal prefference on what car you like and that should be it.


97 prelude stupacharged 8.9 in the 1/8 running really,really rich.
90 gs turbo as soon as the track open up you'll be the first to know.

 

[ytwithsi]

two boosted, are you stupid or what? jackson racing supercharger is a roots based blower, roots based blowers are torque superchargers. a roots blower makes alot of torque and its power as soon as you hit the gas its boosting at almost its full capacity. i mean dude come on, you claim to have a blown prelude and you dont even know how it works. its funny watching you come on trying talk you sh!t and you are the who looks stupid.

two boosted heres a little cheat sheet for you ok:
jackson(roots type made by eaton, also makes them for the ford lightning and mercedes) positive displacement blower(torque instant boost.)
vortech, paxton, powerdyne, and all turbos(centrifical the more rpms, more exhaust the more boost you get.) but then again i am the one who is full of sh!t right.

why dont you go to jacksons site and look at the torque numbers and hp numbers. then go to vortechs site and look at their numbers. its funny how it works but that gradual jackson you have sure does have flat torque curve doesnt it. and wow look at the vortech dyno, the torque curve doesnt curve it just GRADUALLY

 

[ytwithsi]

sorry hit the enter button, anyways the vortech dyno gradually goes up unlike the jackson that you claim is a gradual boost. i dont understand how you can come on here talkin you crap like that and be wrong. that has to suck.

 

[MaineDSM]

Originally posted by 4g63tc
how could you say that? Maine is a wonderful State with great family values(where else is it perfectly fine to miss school to go fishing/hunting with your dad?) To say that the People are Ignorant or poor is a generalization.....it could be worse you could be canadian!

besides where in maine do you live?

Wow, thanks for telling me how it is, buddy. I've lived here my whole life, except for a few years I spent in MA, near Boston.

Maine is A VERY POOR STATE, moneywise. Also, people ARE VERY IGNORANT of imports here, at least in central Maine, the Bangor area.

I went drag racing at the local 1/8th mile strip and was THE ONLY 4cyl THERE. I ran a 8.6sec 1/8th mile, and people were in SHOCK. They were telling me I set the record for a import at that strip. When I raced down near Boston, that would be a PATHETIC time.

So I stand by my statement. By the way, you edit my post badly. You made it sound like I said everyone in Maine was poor and ignorant. Which is not what I said.

Have I made myself clear, bucko?

 

[DSM-ZERO]

I have seen a prelude run a 14.7 on street tires whit a CAI ,Cat Back and V-tech controller. So Preludes are fast I ran A low 14 CIA,headders,Cat back and, a 75 shot on street tires.

 

[smokinEclipse]

Say guys do you think my 420A,with an air intake and and exhaust could beat a Honda del Sol?? I think he has headers,exhaust and an intake, so what do you think guys?? Just wondering

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Youll bet him

 

[mdre21]

del slows are just that

 

[JohnWH]

Originally posted by smokinEclipse
Say guys do you think my 420A,with an air intake and and exhaust could beat a Honda del Sol?? I think he has headers,exhaust and an intake, so what do you think guys?? Just wondering

Is it Vtec?

 

[4g63tc]

hey i know i edited it badly..that was the point. my dad's from North New Portland, and i have plenty of family from anson, madison, farmington, and i visit them frequently, in fact i was gonna take a job offer in scarborough(?) because i thought it would be a great place to raise my kids.

as for imports in maine, you're right when it snows as much as it does in maine it's kinda hard to own a lowered, raced out anything (honduh or dsm) lack of support from good shops.(unless it's got 4x4 and 350+ cubes...wicked)

so i understand what yer saying... (fishing any good at moosehead?, and hows the snow pack at sugarloaf?)

 

[twoboosted]

two boosted, are you stupid or what? jackson racing supercharger is a roots based blower, roots based blowers are torque superchargers. a roots blower makes alot of torque and its power as soon as you hit the gas its boosting at almost its full capacity. i mean dude come on, you claim to have a blown prelude and you dont even know how it works. its funny watching you come on trying talk you sh!t and you are the who looks stupid.


Wow thanks for that info I had know idea the charger was a roots type blower I was really confused about that one you little SH*T. Now I can go and tell all my friends I own a roots type blower. Ok let me explain to you the ROOTS TYPE BLOWER at 950 rpms it registers 2 pounds of boost and goes up from there, to 9 psi not the six jackson claims it will have. JRSC kits do not and let me repeat this for ya do not give full boost at a certain rpm range like a turbo simple terms it's linear! Let me know if you'll need me to explain that term to you also!(its funny watching you come on trying talk you sh!t and you are the who looks stupid) Well I guees I can say that writing class really didn't work out for you? Any time you want to discuss the jackson or ride in a real honda let me know and I can work out a little ride for silly little young a#@. Next talk some #@%#@%#@%#@% when you get some real mods on that 1.6l monster you have. email me if you have any other great ideas, hero honda boy, great defender of the honda world!

 

[96esi]

whose got the biggest internet balls?

give it up, no way anyone can gain an edge while looking at a screen.

 

[twoboosted]

Just trying to make a point it has nothing to do with internet balls. I'd still say the same crap if he was in front of me. Trust me I'm not try to be TOMMY TUFF NUTS or anything but I do know what edge I have. Nice reply though. ;{

 

[ytwithsi]

wow, you are the all knowing, no sh!t its not the full boost at 950, im not saying that you get nine pounds of boost at every rpm, neither does a turbo einstien. just do you know all forced induction is technically linear. all im saying is that a positive displacement blower isnt considered a gradual means of forced induction. centrifical on the other hand is. how the hell can you say a turbo gives you certain boost at a certain rpm. why dont you explain to the board how you can set your turbo to give you a certain boost level at a certain rpm. the only thing you can do is once you get enough exhaust going through the turbo then you can set it. you set it a certain boost level and have it always hit it no matter what rpm you are at. unless you have it set at like half a pound. what an idiot. you sure can talk a lot of sh!t behind a computer screen. you dont know me, you dont know what you would say to my face. besides, youre not even man enough to put where you are from. scared that all this sh!t talkin might come back on you or what. i mean how lame is that, talkin all this crap on a computer. tough guy are we. but you are right, im just some scrowny little honda boy.

 

[twoboosted]

From your first post you made it seem that the boost on a jrsc came on all at once. Maybe you should go back and read it again? I've never claimed to be the all knowing, Mr. super honda guy but I know damn will more about this kit then you buddy ol pal. Insted of trying to get the whole board in on this little arguement why don't YOU, just YOU (This is how I know your a little girl you need the board to help defend your crap) explain to me all the workings between a turbo and a supercharger because so far you just talking about crap you've read no real evidence. Like I said before I'm not trying to be some tuff guy just explaining to you what I know not what I've just read that's all. Do me a favor, with your next post read it first before you submit it, please! Last word though, I hope no one else in your family went to the Helen Keller (she was blind you little #$%@,just in cae you don't read much) grammer school of writing too! Or just get a freaking dictionary they are wonderful things if you know what the hell your trying to spell.

 

[ytwithsi]

let me guess an english major? or a #@%#@%#@%? whatever. im a little girl because i need this board to defend me, dude, give me a break, i been fighting and earning my time on this board ever since i started coming here. what the F&ck, Helen Keller, that was the dumbest joke i have ever had thrown at me on this site.

um lets see let me go get my "im cool" book real quick and see if i can explain this. why? i have proven myself on this site as much as needed. i mean give me a brake(thats for you buddy ol pal
) you come out here tryin to talk all this crap and you were wrong from the beginning. how can you claim to know what you are talkin about when you said that you can set a turbo at specific boost level and get that at all points in the rpm range. dude, a turbo is way worse about boost build up then the jackson. thats the point that i was trying to make. even though techinically all forms of boost are linear the jackson is considered a instant style of boost in the forced induction world. and seriously, quit acting all tough on a f&ckin computer its lame dude.