Does this power level sound correct?

[G Curlz]

SO i got a full dyno tune for my 2g and im running a fp3052 with all supporting mods and it made 355whp 314wtq on a mustang dyno at 24psi. he brought it up to 33psi but there was no increase in power due to no timing so he tuned it on 24psi with peak 11 degrees of timing he said maybe im having phantom knock. Well anyways i took it to the track and my best run was a 12.3 at 116 with a 1.8 60ft shifting at 7500 i am running a mbc just bought a tru boost because i was losing 3-4psi through the gears so im hoping i can hit 11s this season i just want input to get me into the 11s without breaking the bank hah.

 

[ErikTande]

My scouter says yes, power level is good.

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[Greedy Pimp]

If your running 91 pump gas?, if so then that's at least one of your problems if not all.

 

[G Curlz]

im running pump 93 in my area we have cam 2 but i dont know what octane that is and its 8 a gallon

 

[Jon91TSi]

SO i got a full dyno tune for my 2g and im running a fp3052 with all supporting mods and it made 355whp 314wtq on a mustang dyno at 24psi. he brought it up to 33psi but there was no increase in power due to no timing so he tuned it on 24psi with peak 11 degrees of timing he said maybe im having phantom knock. Well anyways i took it to the track and my best run was a 12.3 at 116 with a 1.8 60ft shifting at 7500 i am running a mbc just bought a tru boost because i was losing 3-4psi through the gears so im hoping i can hit 11s this season i just want input to get me into the 11s without breaking the bank hah.

You ought to be able to get away with quite a bit more than 11 degrees of timing at only 24 #. Can you post a log? My thought is whoever tuned your car left a lot on the table.

 

[G Curlz]

i dont have a log at the moment but i told him to push it as hard a possible and it started seeing knock i dont think he would screw me like that due to there the best dsm evo shop in my area. it must be my knock sensor thats my guess.

And im on a stock lower end

 

[Bud92gsx]

340 HpHP and running a 10.4..Id say your numbers look fantastic.

 

[Jon91TSi]

a car that has a bad knock sensor should never be tuned in the first place. The knock sensor is a very important piece of the puzzle in making a safe tune.

 

[G Curlz]

it was seeing knock thats why its on 24psi with 11 degrees of timing thats when it was seeing knock and my car did 12.3 i wish i did 10s

 

[Bud92gsx]

Ohhh 12.3 I read the wrong number..

someone insert how to run 12s on an almost copletly stock awd Dsm.

 

[G Curlz]

well i know the car is capable of 11s because i trapped 116 and people see 11.6 at that mph i just need more traction and be able to hold boost till redline

 

[turtleb00st]

Timing is way too conservative. Every car is diff but that's too soft.

Find some e85 crank up th boost to 33 run 10-13 degree at peak torque and 20-22 at 7500 (all if your car allows) and you will see a huge diff.

Also what are your afr? Too rich will cause knock too

 

[ZenkaiRacerDsM]

That timing is right inline with 2g compression and pump gas. Most people saying you should be able to run 1827 degrees of timing on pump gas are either running low compression 1G's or don't know the definition of pump gas and are thinking rocket fuel.

 

[Jon91TSi]

That timing is right inline with 2g compression and pump gas. Most people saying you should be able to run 1827 degrees of timing on pump gas are either running low compression 1G's or don't know the definition of pump gas and are thinking rocket fuel.

That timing is very conservative. I've tuned countless cars with 8.5:1 and higher compression ratios on pump 93. I never said anything about running a gajillion degrees of timing, I simply said 11* seemed low for his setup. The reason I asked for a log was see the entire picture. Asking someone about their tune that knows nothing about tuning is pretty much worthless. There are also many other factors that play in to how much power a car will lay down aside from just boost and timing. I'm also well aware of the limitations of E0 and E10. I've tuned many cars, DSM platform or not with 30r and 35r frame turbos, with similar compression ratios, same fuel, and have run as much as 16*-17* of advance at 25+#, never had a problem. Most of the cars were daily driven and had the snot beat out of them. Not turning this gentleman's thread into a pissing match, just stating the facts.

 

[turtleb00st]

Jontsi is 100% correct. A crap fmic may be the issue but as w said I have seen tons of logs with cars running very similar turbos with 15-16 degrees up top and 25psithe issue may be that your running that same timing at 4-5500rpm aka peak torque which will down times cause knock and that knock will continue through the power band.

A general rule of thumb is about 10hp per degree but that totally depends on compressor efficiency and many other variables

 

[ZenkaiRacerDsM]

Ok, the numbers are still in line with what I've seen. Why? Because most people's setup's aren't part matched to the goldilocks zone of efficiency needed to run high timing numbers on pump.

My personal experience is all with 91oct E10, maybe my views are skewed due to that? Then again I see many people's logs that are struggling to get more then 10-11 degrees all the time on pump.

 

[95talongirl]

Manual transmission car? WOT (or as close as you can) shift it, and you'll be in the 11's. That's what did it for mine. Went from 12.3 to 11.7 with same mph.

 

[turtleb00st]

huge diff 91 octain is crap. sorry for you man. Get some e85 and your car will be a monster.

 

[G Curlz]

I'm going to get a new knock sensor I'm running a 6 bolt block

It's a 5 speed and in shifting at 7500 fast as it'll alow me

It's a 5 speed and in shifting at 7500 fast as it'll alow me

 

[Derail20T]

I'd say that your time is pretty good. You just have to work on your launch. A 0.1 seconds on your 60' is good for 0.2 seconds in the quarter mile. If you can drop to a 1.7 60', you would hopefully break into the 11's.

 

[Afizzle]

Get off that garbage 91 oct and open the car up.

e85 is a gift from God, and you have to respect that.

Get off that garbage 91 oct and open the car up.

e85 is a gift from God, and you have to respect that.

No but really, if you want to get serious, you need to switch to a better fuel. E85 is both cheap and available almost anywhere. You can run much more aggressive timing and lean it out a lot farther than 11.0.

With your same mods + E85, I could retune your car and make over 400whp in less than an hour.

Not to mention the car will idle/cruise better, smell better, and it's a renewable energy source..

The FlexFuel badge is also a plus

What are you tuning with?

If Dsmlink, post a log.. that is your best bet.

 

[Sitro4g63]

im running pump 93 in my area we have cam 2 but i dont know what octane that is and its 8 a gallon

Didn't know they had a 93 gas type, what area is that in? Ive only seen 87 89 and 91

 

[bastarddsm]

You can run much more aggressive timing and lean it out a lot farther than 11.0.

With your same mods + E85, I could retune your car and make over 400whp in less than an hour.

I agree E85 is Jesus Nectar. But E85 likes to be run Fat. My car makes best power near 11.0 If I retuneded it I could get well over 500whp in 10min, and probably close to 600 by the end of the day.

 

[Afizzle]

I agree E85 is Jesus Nectar. But E85 likes to be run Fat. My car makes best power near 11.0 If I retuneded it I could get well over 500whp in 10min, and probably close to 600 by the end of the day.

Hmm, now youre making me think.

Are you saying that its possible to make more power on a (more) rich mixture and more timing, vs a lean mixture and less timing?

Im already running 22-25* timing advance at 12.5:1 at WOT, can I even up the timing any more than that? I assume more fuel will be added to avoid knock but figured leaner was meaner.