Delta Cams Kelford grinds.

[Modified_GSX]

For people that have been wondering when they are coming out with them, they are here. I just ordered my set today. They have to be made of the billet cores, so they are going to cost 350 plus your shipping. If you still want to send in your cores, they will pay you 20.00 a piece for them. I just figured I would let everyone know because there has been some talk about them for some time now.

 

[TSimage]

Interesting... Tell me how that works out

I take it only the 272s ill be offered and not the 280s?

I'm looking for something between an FP4r which is the biggest drop in cam that FP sells and the FP5r. The 276/280 Kelford setup seems to be the largest cam we can use without major clearance issues period.. But if all else fails I guess the 272 spec will be ok. Almost on par with the FP4rs... Being billet cores, this means this cam is 100% drop in, no degreeing and no shims correct?

This just might be my next new purchase. Still gotta sell my FP3xs though.

 

[keltalon]

I will be testing a set of delta hks 272s and their kelford 272 grind. I have a very good feeling about the delta kelford grind I will also be testing a set of bc 272s .The dyno will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth if you now what i mean we will video the dyno and post the results when testing is complete.

 

[99gst_racer]

Being billet cores, this means this cam is 100% drop in, no degreeing and no shims correct?

Any camshaft will benefit from degreeing. Afterall, every engine will differ from the next, so "drop-in" will only get you so close to being correct. But, if they're starting with new cores, then no shims at least.

 

[Strm Trpr]

^^^ Exactly!

 

[turbotalon1g]

The no shims will be a huge plus, I know that I would run them without shims.

 

[TSimage]

Some how I must need to clarify... a drop in cam such as everything FP makes bellow the 4r is a cam that doesn't. Need to be touched to work as advertised. Cams such as the BCs on the other hand must be matched to their card. Of course there is always benefits with fine tuning.

Either way I'm interested in the results. I wouldn't hesitate to try out a set myself if they hold true to their design.

 

[99gst_racer]

The term "drop in" is typically reserved for cams that you can install without the need for any other engine modifications like springs, retainers, etc... "Drop-in" cams will work with factory valve train components/geometry. Some cams will have tighter tolerances (IE: FP vs. BC, etc...), but that doesn't mean they don't need to be degreed. Even a pair of FP 4R's should be degreed to reap full benefits. Afterall, even FP can't predetermine your head gasket's compressed thickness, or how many times your head has been resurfaced, or your block decked. This is why degreeing is recommended for each particular set of cams on each engine, whether they're listed as "drop-in" or not..

 

[turbotalon1g]

^Thanks I didn't know that.

With your statement regarding "drop-in" cams then these would not be drop in, as Kelford 272 spec cams DO NEED upgraded springs and retainers per Kevin@Kelford Cams.

 

[99gst_racer]

Right, if these Deltas are a direct copy of the Kelfords (same lift, ramp rate, etc), then they won't be drop-ins.

I'm using Kiggly behives and ti-retainers with my Kelford 272's and it's proved to be a solid combination for 9K shifts thus far.

 

[Modified_GSX]

To answer the first post right under my OP, they will be offering the 280's, in fact they are available now. It is the same deal, they are made from the new billets and cost the same 350.00.

 

[Strm Trpr]

Their website leave a little to be desired.
How can we find what they offer?

 

[Modified_GSX]

Best way is to call them, or pm them on here. I pm'ed him and he gave me a lot of the information I was looking for and was actually really decent to deal with. When I called it was the same. So I suggest doing either to see what would help you best.

 

[Delta Cam]

Thanks, and as for the website, yes a bit underpowered as far as information on all we do, partly because we do it ALL.
After We move into our new building, the website will be addressed.

Jon

 

[TSimage]

I never knew that the terminology of "drop-in" changed. Even FP uses this wording for their FP4r and lower cams. Drop in simply refers to a cam that doesn't need special degreeing or customized geometry of the head internals due to the aggressiveness of the came and vale to piston clearance. Any cam will benefit from degreeing to some point, so by that definition, no cam is a drop-in.

Either way it goes, this is pretty huge if they also offer the 280s. As soon as my FP3xs are gone, I will be grabbing a set of these, nice to see this progress. I'll be sending in my stockers as well. Can't beat the price!

 

[99gst_racer]

I never knew that the terminology of "drop-in" changed. Even FP uses this wording for their FP4r and lower cams. Drop in simply refers to a cam that doesn't need special degreeing or customized geometry of the head internals due to the aggressiveness of the came and vale to piston clearance. Any cam will benefit from degreeing to some point, so by that definition, no cam is a drop-in.

That's why I don't associate "degreeing" with the term "drop-in". Because every cam should be degreed on the engine after being installed, whether it's a drop-in or not because being labeled "drop-in" doesn't change the fact that each cam needs to be set-up for the engine that it's installed in.

We can agree to disagree, but you'll never convince me that installing a pair of "drop-in" cams straight up is always just as good as degreeing them.

Also, I just checked FP's site. The only time they mention "drop-in" is when talking about the FP3's and they say "This is a drop in cam in the sense that no issues with geometry or interference exist." This is pretty much exactly what I said in post #8 where I mention that a "drop-in" cam will work with factory valvetrain geometry. It has nothing to do with degreeing at all. I'm sure the guys at FP would agree that degreeing is beneficial for any camshaft, as I'm sure they even degree their own when installing them.

 

[Delta Cam]

We can agree to disagree, but you'll never convince me that installing a pair of "drop-in" cams straight up is always just as good as degreeing them.

It's always better and more beneficial to degree the cams without a doubt, however, over 80% of the general public do not have the facility or do they have the adjustable cam gears.

To put this in easy terms to understand....

"drop in cams" like having a fat juicy steak right off the bbq, tastes great, works well

"degreed cams" like having the same steak with seasoning and ice cold beer to compliment it.... BETTER if you have the seasonings and beer!