Brian Crower or HKS Cams?

[Sik95TSI]

I'm looking to get some 272-Cams but undecided on which brand to get? HKS Cams are a little expensive and the Brian Crower i can get both Intake/Exhaust for the price of one HKS! quality wise though which would be better? Thanks - Ryann

 

[Sik95TSI]

I just realized OP's car is bone stock.

OP what are the goals for the setup?

Apexi N1 DP,Apexi Cat-Back,Intake,Fuel Rail,Pressure Regulator,Walbro 255 FP,Bigger Injectors not sure what size yet,Innovate WideBand XD-16 LC1, Big 16g Turbo,Evo III High Flow Manifold,FMI,HKS SSQ VER III Recirculated,MBC,ACT2600 Clutch Kit,HKS Cam Gears and probaly HKS Cams 272's all this on a tune - Ryann

I'm looking to get 350-400 WHP hopefully.....

 

[BigBeans]

Apexi N1 DP,Apexi Cat-Back,Intake,Fuel Rail,Pressure Regulator,Walbro 255 FP,Bigger Injectors not sure what size yet,Innovate WideBand XD-16 LC1, Big 16g Turbo,Evo III High Flow Manifold,FMI,HKS SSQ VER III Recirculated,MBC,ACT2600 Clutch Kit,HKS Cam Gears and probaly HKS Cams 272's all this on a tune - Ryann

I'm looking to get 350-400 WHP hopefully.....

The HKS cams are a good choice, If it's primarily a street car the 264/272 combo makes great midrange power and has decent drive-ability, but the 272s will work great also.

I strongly advise you to stay away from the Kelfords and other monster cams. With a small turbo like a 16G you'll have all the drawbacks of big cams but not enough flow to reap the benefits. Ive run both HKS and Kelford (currently using kelfords), and the choice between those two is clear in my mind. HKS.

 

[1 FAST TSI]

x2

Kelford

 

[Sik95TSI]

The HKS cams are a good choice, If it's primarily a street car the 264/272 combo makes great midrange power and has decent drive-ability, but the 272s will work great also.

I strongly advise you to stay away from the Kelfords and other monster cams. With a small turbo like a 16G you'll have all the drawbacks of big cams but not enough flow to reap the benefits. Ive run both HKS and Kelford (currently using kelfords), and the choice between those two is clear in my mind. HKS.

You think these WHP Numbers I'm looking for is possible with this set up I'm going with? Thanks - Ryann

 

[BigBeans]

You think these WHP Numbers I'm looking for is possible with this set up I'm going with? Thanks - Ryann

That will depend on many details, but generally speaking yes you're headed the right direction.

 

[91stocker]

Yeah for your smaller upper RPM HP gain. Ive ran them and wasnt impressed. I would go with a set of Kelfords or DKS 272's "Red Stripes"

Did you properly degree them? And i hope the op knows that kelfords 272's are bigger then most companies 280's, which most consider to be their "full race" cam. The op is stock and in no way needs something as large as a kelford 272. So yea thanks for the terrible advice gsxdsm.

Edit: Seen the later post and that your running a 16g. Alot of people think 272's(not kelfords) match pretty well with the 16g. Like i said earlier most tests have shown BC 272's to be a fav among street car cams. Read my previous link and his thoughts on cams. He tested them all.

 

[DSMTyson]

You think these WHP Numbers I'm looking for is possible with this set up I'm going with? Thanks - Ryann

Definately, make sure you get ECMLink.

 

[Sik95TSI]

That will depend on many details, but generally speaking yes you're headed the right direction.

Cool Thanks - Ryann

 

[BigBeans]

Did you properly degree them? And i hope the op knows that kelfords 272's are bigger then most companies 280's, which most consider to be their "full race" cam. The op is stock and in no way needs something as large as a kelford 272. So yea thanks for the terrible advice gsxdsm.

Edit: Seen the later post and that your running a 16g. Alot of people think 272's(not kelfords) match pretty well with the 16g.

+1 to this.

"Kelford 272s" and "16G street car"don't belong in the same sentence IMO.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

I would need 3 hands to count the number of people that will disagree with you. I know 11 people off hand that run Kelfords on their DD's with either a 14b or 16g setup. Your both incorrect.

 

[dmj]

Take your pick Hks, Crower not Brian Crower, FP's .which are Comp cams GSC and Kelfords, For a 16G street car you can't go wrong with HKS 264 Intake /Exhaust or 264 Int /272 EXH just drop in and go no need for upgraded valve springs, this combo has been proven a least ten thousand times over.

 

[BOOSTED_95TSi]

Just some input on the guy's original question. STM uses these exact words when describing the BC cams.

"We don't actually recommend these cams. We only sell them because, believe it or not, some people actually want them. They are cheap... but you get what you pay for"

HKS for sure.

 

[dsm-onster]

It's an absolute joke that all of you are recommending any cam grind without discussing the op's intake manifold runner design and head runner shape. And, stroke and turbine side. And, umpteen other possibilities. You don't know what any cam will do for this guy. NONE of you; any more than he does. . . Post results with your cam choice with a similar setup to THIS guy.

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

It's an absolte joke that all you all are recommending any cam grind without discussing the op's intake manifold and head runner shap. and stroke and turbine side. and umpteen other possibilities. You don't know what any cam will do for this guy. NONE of you. Any more than he does. . .

Well actually assuming from his mod list its almost bare ass stock. Sooooooo

 

[BigBeans]

It's an absolute joke that all of you are recommending any cam grind without discussing the op's intake manifold runner design and head runner shape. And, stroke and turbine side. And, umpteen other possibilities. You don't know what any cam will do for this guy. NONE of you.Any more than he does. . . Post results with your cam choice with a similar setup to THIS guy.

Considering when the OP listed his plans in post 26 he made no mention of a ported intake/SMIM, head work, a displacement change, or anything besides a basic bolt-on setup it seems fair to assume those things will remain stock.

 

[dsm-onster]

Ok so what cam set works best with HIS setup? What test results do you have to back your supposition?

 

[Sik95TSI]

Considering when the OP listed his plans in post 26 he made no mention of a ported intake/SMIM, head work, a displacement change, or anything besides a basic bolt-on setup it seems fair to assume those things will remain stock.

My plan is mostly just Bolt-Ons Setup with a really good tune. Would you recommend getting a bigger/better Intake Manifold or Throttle Body? I was thinking getting better internals but like I said I'm only looking for 350-400WHP I'm sure that can be done with stock internals. Thanks - Ryann

 

[standard235]

Lol big boost 16g e85 stock cam.

Trust me. I went 11.95 on my "stock" appearance car.

 

[Sik95TSI]

Lol big boost 16g e85 stock cam.

Trust me. I went 11.95 on my "stock" appearance car.

yeah it's mostly going to be a street car maybe every once in a while take it to the track. I really didn't think alot of work to the head needed to be done ecpecially with the numbers I'm shooting for! - Ryann

 

[BigBeans]

Ok so what cam set works best with HIS setup? What test results do you have to back your supposition?

We both know there are no tests between HKS and BC 272s on the OPs exact setup. If such tests were required for every recommendation, there would be no point to asking for advice on a forum, because according to you without testing on the OPs identical setup no recommendation is valid. We all know this request is BS.

Why did i recommend the HKS? Because they're known for a great blend of drive-ability and power.

They have a bit more lift and duration from .050 than the BCs, while retaining good street manners.

I know you're very knowledgeable about cams, do you disagree? OP said cost wasn't part of the equation, so are you really recommending BCs based on quality and performance?

 

[dsm-onster]

I'm saying that there are no tests to back the claims made by anyone here. . . Yes. You yourself said it. It is BS.

His exact setup is very simple. And there isn't even a test with a common simple setup like his. . . It's not like Im suggesting that you need the exact aftermarket intake manifold and absolutely same turbine side in a particular test to make an assumption on the op's best choice.

. . .Yes, I always lean toward real hks 272s. They ARE different from the regrinds. . . And yes. I do know about harmonics being matched well with the stock manifolds at the 3rd and second going from gear to gear where it counts. Still I would pick fp2s out of them all considering MY setup. But my turbo is significantly different than his. . .

Nevermind my lamenting on a fundamental flaw of this entire automitove culture. Point is, everyone's best guess is rather scattered for such a common setup. And that's rather pathetic considering the platform. There ARE no good comparisons for the average dsmer. Dickflopping takes frontseat to what works for the real world common setup, right? which is 'BS'. So, I stand by my earlier comment. . . No one can help him properly. No one has mix and matched enough with a typical setup like his to offer any advice. And its comical to see the comments. And infer the reason why those were made. No offense to any who made them. It's just the way marketing goes. I'm saying that there's a significant enough difference between the 'average joe's' setup and ALLLL the tests put forth to discredit their worth to the 'average joe'. Some use evo platforms; others use smims; still others have much larger turbochargers and various other nuances that must weigh in to the keen.

 

[Sik95TSI]

I'm saying that there are no tests to back the claims made by anyone here. . . Yes. You yourself said it. It is BS.

His exact setup is very simple. And there isn't even a test with a common simple setup like his. . . It's not like Im suggesting that you need the exact aftermarket intake manifold and absolutely same turbine side in a particular test to make an assumption on the op's best choice.

. . .Yes, I always lean toward real hks 272s. They ARE different from the regrinds. . . And yes. I do know about harmonics being matched well with the stock manifolds at the 3rd and second going from gear to gear where it counts. Still I would pick fp2s out of them all considering MY setup. But my turbo is significantly different than his. . .

Nevermind my lamenting on a fundamental flaw of this entire automitove culture. Point is, everyone's best guess is rather scattered for such a common setup. And that's rather pathetic considering the platform. There ARE no good comparisons for the average dsmer. Dickflopping takes frontseat to what works for the real world common setup, right? which is 'BS'. So, I stand by my earlier comment. . . No one can help him properly. No one has mix and matched enough with a typical setup like his to offer any advice. And its comical to see the comments. And infer the reason why those were made. No offense to any who made them. It's just the way marketing goes. I'm saying that there's a significant enough difference between the 'average joe's' setup and ALLLL the tests put forth to discredit their worth to the 'average joe'. Some use evo platforms; others use smims; still others have much larger turbochargers and various other nuances that must weigh in to the keen.

Do you recommend running a different turbo other than the TD05H EVO III BIG 16G Turbo for my set up? Thanks - Ryann

 

[91stocker]

Do you recommend running a different turbo other than the TD05H EVO III BIG 16G Turbo for my set up? Thanks - Ryann

16g is a great turbo especially for a street car. 16g and any pick of 272's(not kelfords) and you are good to go. They all perform close enough to me that the deciding factor for me was price. I just know i would not pay $700+ for cams in a street car. The amount you will save by going with BC's will pay for your 16g, just a thought.

 

[Sik95TSI]

16g is a great turbo especially for a street car. 16g and any pick of 272's(not kelfords) and you are good to go. They all perform close enough to me that the deciding factor for me was price. I just know i would not pay $700+ for cams in a street car. The amount you will save by going with BC's will pay for your 16g, just a thought.

Well I'm very picky and price isn't really an issue so i don't mind spending a little extra! Thanks - Ryann

 

[brian9397gsx]

I know when deciding which cams to go with its tricky usually theres a trade off somewhere. Personally on my set up Im going with GSC S2. But my set up is far diff from yours but I still suggest checking into the gsc line of cams, visit maps website it has very good descriptions for each set. In their line for your set up I would run s1 s