Brian Crower 280's

[redeclipse7782]

Hey guys! Didn't catch this thread until today, being that we just joined the site last week! I just wanted to say thank you for all of the orders, and let you know that we are here to assist you with any questions or concerns you may have. I'm going to try my best to contribute to this forum on a daily basis, but if I don't get a chance to answer your question don't hesitate to give us a call!

Even after business hours the shop phone forwards to my cell phone. We are here to provide this community with the best pricing out there, while at the same time providing superior customer service.

We completely understand that many DSMers are loyal to one shop or another, it is simply our goal to provide a quality of service that is unlike any other in order to gain your business.

Thanks for the space!

Chris Carey

Do you have these in stock? What is the turn around time from date ordered to date received?

Thanks,

 

[maperformance]

Well the 272's are getting very hard to come by... We are getting another shipment in the middle of next week on those. As far as the 280's those are readily available and ship ground, so 4-5 days max.

Thanks!

Chris

 

[snox135]

MAPerformance is doing the exact same thing as Brian Crower is. They are a new vendor here offering a product for less than others to get loyal customers. I have no ties to any vendor on here, so it doesn't matter to me who you buy from. But don't knock people from buying from them, when you are commintting the same act against manufactors like HKS, Comp, etc...

And it's Walmart's business pratices (how they can sell for less) is what I and alot of others have a problem with.

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

Even after business hours the shop phone forwards to my cell phone. We are here to provide this community with the best pricing out there, while at the same time providing superior customer service.

We completely understand that many DSMers are loyal to one shop or another, it is simply our goal to provide a quality of service that is unlike any other in order to gain your business.

Thanks for the space!

Chris Carey

I can vouch for this. 272s are tough to find right now and Chris has gone out of his way to give me several options to get a hold of them as quick as possible. He has called me several times to update me on the situation and did not charge my visa until he is sure he can get them to me. Also, since 280s are plentiful, I was willing to buy those but he talked to his tech for me and recommended that I not get those and wait for the 272s because I wouldn't rev over 7500 in the forseeable future, nor have the new valve springs. He could have just taken the sale. That's good service in my book.

And it's Walmart's business pratices (how they can sell for less) is what I and alot of others have a problem with.

I work in healthcare, so I am especially torn on this as Walmart is currently moving into outpatient/walk-in clinic services with the potential to shake up the industry where traditional providers are already struggling to meet increasingly tight margins. But unlike retail, the nature of healthcare means that social justice and market justice are competing elements in the provision of care. When 80% of hospitals are not-for-profits, ultra-cheap retailers like Walmart driving prices lower potentially has a real impact on access and quality of care for traditional providers throughout America. Your health isn't one area you want to sacrifice service quality for bottom-barrel prices, unlike camshafts! (sorry for boring anyone, hehe)

 

[blcknspo0ln]

MAPerformance is doing the exact same thing as Brian Crower is. They are a new vendor here offering a product for less than others to get loyal customers. I have no ties to any vendor on here, so it doesn't matter to me who you buy from. But don't knock people from buying from them, when you are commintting the same act against manufactors like HKS, Comp, etc...

And it's Walmart's business pratices (how they can sell for less) is what I and alot of others have a problem with.

Was this directed at me? If so, I think you took my comment the wrong way. I have no problem with MAP since they are an unknown company and as always, I like to give them a chance before I pass judgement. Only time will tell if they are a true DSM company like your Bushur racing, SBR, extremepsi, etc.

From the past testimonial, it seems that MAP will be a good runner in the DSM community. Of course, great prices + customer service = success. For now, however, my loyalty still shy's me away. Perhaps I will try my next order with these guys and see how it goes

anyway, let's stay on topic guys, before it gets locked!

 

[snox135]

Wasn't directed at anybody directly.

I would like to see some reviews comparing the BC 280 to FP3x's. I was thinking of some Piper 300's or 320's or FP3x's for my 2.4. But these BC 280's are a good price.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Alright biznatches, I finally got you a vid/sound clip of the 280s and my 2.0
I made a vid before but it had my tag in it and I dont trust you Internet foo's. I have a little exhaust leak, so I dont need anyone to tell me that. It will be fixed with the new turbonetics cast t3 mani and the SC61 I am upgrading to This is a 2.0 6 bolt, mods in profile.
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BTW: The PTE SCM5031e and the 2G mani w/tial 38mm flange are for sale, PM me.
P.S. I have been driving on the 280's for about 2 weeks now and I love them. I am shifting at 8500 and the airflow never drops off. My webs used to fall off bad after about 7300. I am also making the same airflow at 21 lbs that I did at 24-25 lbs with the webs.

 

[maperformance]

I can vouch for this. 272s are tough to find right now and Chris has gone out of his way to give me several options to get a hold of them as quick as possible. He has called me several times to update me on the situation and did not charge my visa until he is sure he can get them to me. Also, since 280s are plentiful, I was willing to buy those but he talked to his tech for me and recommended that I not get those and wait for the 272s because I wouldn't rev over 7500 in the forseeable future, nor have the new valve springs. He could have just taken the sale. That's good service in my book.

Thanks for the kind words Kevin! And I just got word that your cams shipped out today (Oh, and I waived that $10 shipping charge we spoke about too)...

Enjoy and thanks again!

Chris Carey

 

[CanadianTSi]

Wow sounds like the BC280 Idle is on par/if not better than a HKS 272 Idle.

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

Thanks for the kind words Kevin! And I just got word that your cams shipped out today (Oh, and I waived that $10 shipping charge we spoke about too)...

Enjoy and thanks again!

Chris Carey

Well hells yeah!! Thanks.

Wow sounds like the BC280 Idle is on par/if not better than a HKS 272 Idle.

Yeah no kidding, I don't know why people talk about rough idle anyway. I thought most of us gave up stock ride a loooong time ago. Rough idle doesn't bother me in the least unless it's like a 18 wheeler. The only thing I'm getting tired of is my stiff suspension making these shitty florida roads seem like offroad sometimes.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Wow sounds like the BC280 Idle is on par/if not better than a HKS 272 Idle.

Damn! Are you serious that HKS 272's are that rough? My friend has Crower 415's (there biggest DSM cams) and they sound the same as my 280's. It dosent bother my to DD like that... I like siting at the stoplight when the car is 'camming', i guess it is the ricer in me

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

the hks cams have a lumpier idle than most of the other cams. very common.

 

[Byrd]

Very Nice! Yours sound a little smoother then mine. But yea i havn't tuned it to a T yet. Looking forward to the vid

 

[PSIcho]

Running the BC 272's for a couple of weeks now on my daily driver. Install was relatively simple doing the shortcut way. Idle is fine with a nice lope in it and no complaints as far as it being on my daily driver (160mi./day). However, I have never had any other cams so I got nothing to compare it to but it does pull much harder now. I'll be dynoing soon so I'll probably post it. Service from Chris/MAP was great too, had my cams in two days to top on the free shipping. As with most, I try to support all these people who support our forum but do consider price as well. As with most of us, DSM's such a money pit that there's plenty of money to go around to all the our vendors as I have

TIP: When installing cams using the shortcut way, placing a shim between the cam gears make the install much much simpler. The purpose of the shim (I used two perfectly sized screw drivers) is so that the cam gears don't move when you take them out to remove the cam. You end up just moving it forward a bit to remove the cam then pushing it back after.

 

[my98GST]

Fudged head, blown motor, car backed in to, found out the g/f has the "lump".....#### I give up. and this was all in a week!

 

[JessGST]

Were these Dyno runs done at the same Boost Levels? If not how much difference?

They were on the same boost levels. I didn't change anything with my setup except the cams, springs, and retainers.

 

[JessGST]

will these cams be fine with manley springs, retainers, and keepers?

Yes, absolutely. I run Manley springs, retainers, and keepers.

This answer isn't a guess either. I work for Manley, so I know.

 

[sbcxtreme]

Yes, absolutely. I run Manley springs, retainers, and keepers.

This answer isn't a guess either. I work for Manley, so I know.

Well hell yea, thats what i like to hear! I had to order the keepers after i ordered the springs/retainers...

 

[91-gsx]

If the HKS 272's sound like the BC 280's, would the BC 272's idle a little bit like the HKS 264's? I have to worry about smog in cali, but if the BC 280's idle like the BC 272's, then why would I go with the 272's. I am still trying to decide on the cams for my car. I would like to hear the difference in sound between the BC 280's and 272's, any of the 272's yet?
later

 

[PSIcho]

If the HKS 272's sound like the BC 280's, would the BC 272's idle a little bit like the HKS 264's? I have to worry about smog in cali, but if the BC 280's idle like the BC 272's, then why would I go with the 272's. I am still trying to decide on the cams for my car. I would like to hear the difference in sound between the BC 280's and 272's, any of the 272's yet?
later

My 272's sounds about the same as 2GAWDTalon's video. Here's another vid that has BC 272's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o8e1JMfGQI

The choice of whether to get 272's or 280's depends entirely on your setup and goals not just by going with how it idles. Like Prostreet was saying, 272's won't be max'd out by most people here. And if your profile is current, 272's will be more than enough, if not too much, with a lot more room to grow.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

I don't want to get way off topic here, but I have the same sentiment as PSIcho. Just because cams are cheap, doesn't mean DSMers should be skipping steps in the modding chain (granted, there is no set way). To me, if a car was stock to mildly modded, cams and SMIM are one of the last bolt on mods you do before moving to built internals. Why put 280 (or even 272) cams on a stock t25 or 14b turbo? All you're doing is hurting the strong points of those turbos. The shift in powerband isn't ideal because the 272 or 280 cam is designed to let the VE increase UP TOP. It makes no sense to rev a t25 or even a 14b (yes, I know) past 6k, where these larger cams shine. It's all backwards if you ask me. I guess, I just don't want to see someone slap a set of these cams on and expect to gain 3-5 lb/min and/or 30+WHP on their stock equipped car.

Now, if you're running a 50 trim (to me, even a 16G is pushing it) or higher, than maybe the 280 cam should be considered. Keep in mind folks, many have gone 11's and 10's with the tried-and-true 272/272 combo!

 

[91-gsx]

The big consideration for me when it comes to the idle of the car with the new cams is that they cannot be too lumpy because I want to keep the cams in when I smog. I do not want to pull up with a stock looking car with a v8 idle... man I love the sound though.

I should really update my mod list because that is not the setup I will be running now. I currently have a turbonetics t3 manifold and a sc6152 in a .63 a/r, 4" inlet with anti-surge ports. I can really see were the 280's would be really nice especially with pump gas.

Yha 10-4 to that... I called Brian personally and told him thanks for a awsome product. I am LOVING the 280's in my 2.0. They sound pretty much just like the vid with the 2.4. Totally streetable, I dont see why you cant run them in your daily driver, I do. On DSMLink the power never drops off up to 8500 the airflow dosent either. My Web Cams fell off after 7400 bad. Besides that I am making the same airflow 48-50lbs/min. ant 4-5 psi less, DAMN.

This quote by 2gAWDTalon, http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=151110016&postcount=105.

With the same airflow using less boost I can make more power on pump gas. This turbo should be good for 500whp, and that should be good for low 11's to high 10's with a good launch. I will be very happy with that and that is my final goal...unless I want more...
If they sound the same and everything then I might just go for the 280's, its hard to decide when you have to smog.
thanks for the help

edit: I also think if I raise the idle rpm high enough then it could be smooth enough for smoging. Sense its awd they don't put it on rollers, they just rev it to 2500 rpms while it sits there. Just another upside to awd.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Why put 280 (or even 272) cams on a stock t25 or 14b turbo? All you're doing is hurting the strong points of those turbos. The shift in powerband isn't ideal because the 272 or 280 cam is designed to let the VE increase UP TOP. It makes no sense to rev a t25 or even a 14b (yes, I know) past 6k, where these larger cams shine. It's all backwards if you ask me. I guess, I just don't want to see someone slap a set of these cams on and expect to gain 3-5 lb/min and/or 30+WHP on their stock equipped car.

Now, if you're running a 50 trim (to me, even a 16G is pushing it) or higher, than maybe the 280 cam should be considered. Keep in mind folks, many have gone 11's and 10's with the tried-and-true 272/272 combo!

I would have to 100% agree with you on this... I have a 50 trim right now and it is running out of steam at 21 psi with the 280's and the other mods in my profile. I am at max flow for the turbo...
Now I could see someone buying these now at the killer price and throwing them on the shelf untill the get the right mods on the car so they can use the cams...

I should really update my mod list because that is not the setup I will be running now. I currently have a turbonetics t3 manifold and a sc6152 in a .63 a/r, 4" inlet with anti-surge ports. I can really see were the 280's would be really nice especially with pump gas.

That is funny, I am switching to the same setup! Almost exactly, I have a copy turbonetics cast t3 mani and I cant decide on a .63 or .82 a/r for the 6152. With your .63 do you notice any surging if you go WOT early in the rpms?

I will be very happy with that and that is my final goal...unless I want more...

You will always want more, I said I wanted 400 HP and low 12's... I got it and I think my car is slow now so I am switching to a t3 61mm turbo... after that I will probley go bigger. We are Junkies... Boost junkies!

edit: I also think if I raise the idle rpm high enough then it could be smooth enough for smoging. Sense its awd they don't put it on rollers, they just rev it to 2500 rpms while it sits there. Just another upside to awd.

I raised my rpms to 1200-1300 and it is smooth, but that is just to high for my to idle at. I just wanted to see what it would take to smooth them out.

 

[91-gsx]

I would have to 100% agree with you on this... I have a 50 trim right now and it is running out of steam at 21 psi with the 280's and the other mods in my profile. I am at max flow for the turbo...
Now I could see someone buying these now at the killer price and throwing them on the shelf untill the get the right mods on the car so they can use the cams...






That is funny, I am switching to the same setup! Almost exactly, I have a copy turbonetics cast t3 mani and I cant decide on a .63 or .82 a/r for the 6152. With your .63 do you notice any surging if you go WOT early in the rpms?



You will always want more, I said I wanted 400 HP and low 12's... I got it and I think my car is slow now so I am switching to a t3 61mm turbo... after that I will probley go bigger. We are Junkies... Boost junkies!


I raised my rpms to 1200-1300 and it is smooth, but that is just to high for my to idle at. I just wanted to see what it would take to smooth them out.

I actually have yet to put the turbo on, but I did hear it is a fun turbo....
later

 

[2gAWDTalon]

I installed some 272's in someone elses car today and figured I would post the sound clip up... the BC 272's are rough also!
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