brake fluid and white smoke

[tstkl]

so I just got my car back from paul, he just installed an act 2600, and act flywheel with an act street disk for me. I think thats irrelivent. I looked in my engine bay last night after driving for a while and saw fluid everywhere. I think its brake fluid, my friend thinks its coolant. after that the car was smoking from the exhaust. I've searched, and it would seem to me that it was a blown head gasket (boost creep is forcing me to run at 20+psi) but all the fluid was on top of my intake manifold and valve cover. the brake master cylinder is covered as well. this is why I think its a bad brake booster. only problem is I dont know where the brake booster is, nor if a bad break booster can spray brake fluid everywhere like that.

the location of the fluid is as follows: standing in front of the car and facing the car, the fluid is everywhere in a line between you and cylinder number 1, continuing on to the firewall. this is more proof that it is brake fluid, yet both the clutch master cylinder and the brake master cylinder are full.

 

[andrew4g63]

is the paint starting to peel if not then its not brake fluid

 

[Talesin]

Check the seals on injector #1. I'd assume that you've smelled the fluid though, and would know that it's not fuel. If you haven't, and it is, obviously do not drive the car until you replace the seals on that injector.

Then again, brake fluid smells a lot different than coolant too, and has a different consistency. Try touching it? See if it's greasy/slippery, or more like water. If you need a comparison, touch some brake fluid. It's hard to mistake, compared to water with antifreeze. Same with the smell. Might also take off your upper timing belt cover (if it's on) and see if oil is covering everything; could be leaking out the camshaft seals.


And how the hell is boost creep making you run at 20+ psi?! Even with 3" straight pipe I can bring my B16G down to 12psi by turning down the MBC. Maybe you did the same thing I did, and turned it the wrong way? Remember, tighter = higher boost. And if you're still on the stock 14b (no turbo listed in your upgrades), 20+ sounds like you're hitting the limit of the turbo, rather than having the wastegate control it.
Though really, your right foot is what really controls your maximum boost at any given moment.

 

[tstkl]

Check the seals on injector #1. I'd assume that you've smelled the fluid though, and would know that it's not fuel. If you haven't, and it is, obviously do not drive the car until you replace the seals on that injector.

Then again, brake fluid smells a lot different than coolant too, and has a different consistency. Try touching it? See if it's greasy/slippery, or more like water. If you need a comparison, touch some brake fluid. It's hard to mistake, compared to water with antifreeze. Same with the smell. Might also take off your upper timing belt cover (if it's on) and see if oil is covering everything; could be leaking out the camshaft seals.


And how the hell is boost creep making you run at 20+ psi?! Even with 3" straight pipe I can bring my B16G down to 12psi by turning down the MBC. Maybe you did the same thing I did, and turned it the wrong way? Remember, tighter = higher boost. And if you're still on the stock 14b (no turbo listed in your upgrades), 20+ sounds like you're hitting the limit of the turbo, rather than having the wastegate control it.
Though really, your right foot is what really controls your maximum boost at any given moment.

its somewhat brown/black so its either oil or brake fluid. its concentrated around the clutch and brake master cylinders, and that whole area.

stock o2 housing, stock turbine housing, unported=boost creep like a mother f*cker. remember, your b16g has a 7cm^2 turbine housing if I am not mistaken. my next mod is a nice big o2 housing to go with my exhaust. or dsmlink and a wideband o2 to figure out what the f*(k is going on in there. knocking like none other as well.

I know brake fluid is corrosive, but wouldn't it take a while to peel the paint off my smim?

 

[WMD]

It dosent take long to have it strip paint. I had some on a mastercylinder on my bike and it took the paint off of the housing after about a week. But damage can be done in little time, i just happend to notice it after a week. Go clean it off so you dont wind up having bare spots on the fire wall.
Have you checked the brake fluid resivour? that would probably tell you if its leaking.

 

[Talesin]

Touch the fluid. Rub your fingers together, and smell them. Again, brake fluid smells completely different than oil. Also, when any fluid is on the engine itself, it'll look darker. :b

No, the B16G has a 6cm^2 exhaust housing, and I'm on a stock O2. Check your wastegate for free motion (pull the actuator arm and swing it back and forth), the actuator (hook it to a hand pump and apply pressure, it should move at around 8-12psi), and again.. your MBC (if you have one... you DO have one, right?). You should NOT be running 20+ just from a 3" turboback. Also, check to make sure that the vacuum lines to the wastegate haven't been ripped.
I cannot stress this highly enough, you should NEVER be running that high without proper prep and supporting mods. Especially on crap CA gas.

And you're knocking like crazy because your 14b is being overworked to hell and back, and spitting out super-hot charge. Even the FMIC won't be able to compensate for a turbo that's being pushed THAT far past its efficiency footprint. You don't seem to grasp just how much this is placing your engine at risk for detonation and destruction.

 

[tstkl]

Touch the fluid. Rub your fingers together, and smell them. Again, brake fluid smells completely different than oil. Also, when any fluid is on the engine itself, it'll look darker. :b

No, the B16G has a 6cm^2 exhaust housing, and I'm on a stock O2. Check your wastegate for free motion (pull the actuator arm and swing it back and forth), the actuator (hook it to a hand pump and apply pressure, it should move at around 8-12psi), and again.. your MBC (if you have one... you DO have one, right?). You should NOT be running 20+ just from a 3" turboback. Also, check to make sure that the vacuum lines to the wastegate haven't been ripped.
I cannot stress this highly enough, you should NEVER be running that high without proper prep and supporting mods. Especially on crap CA gas.

And you're knocking like crazy because your 14b is being overworked to hell and back, and spitting out super-hot charge. Even the FMIC won't be able to compensate for a turbo that's being pushed THAT far past its efficiency footprint. You don't seem to grasp just how much this is placing your engine at risk for detonation and destruction.

its knocking at like 30% tps at 0psi, when i go wot it doesn't knock. and I do understand that the thing isn't running right. thats why I'm trying not to drive it.

I did recently change the oil and used 5w30 moble 1 full synthetic. the car had castrol gtx 5w30 in it before, could the oil be too light for the recent extremely cold weather?

I'll go check the fluid, but both my clutch fluid and brake fluid are at the "max" line and I know for a fact neither of them are any lower than they were before this. the oil level is lower, it looks like it is probably that then. I just don't know where it would be coming from since its basically centered around the clutch and brake fluid reservoirs, and I don't know where that oil would be coming from.

 

[tstkl]

just remembered why I didn't think it was oil, it was smoking white smoke from the exhaust after I noticed the fluid everywhere and had to drive home. haven't driven it since. think I'm going to wait til I can pay off my parents for the clutch and pressure plate job I just had done, then buy a new o2 housing so my creep wont be as bad or at all. in a year I've put less than 3000 miles on my talon. my dollars/miles ratio is greater than 1

can I get more info on a leaky brake booster? will it cause brake fluid to be sprayed everywhere?

 

[tstkl]

the timing belt is dry and its brake fluid, 85% sure its brake fluid. any ideas on where I can get a new brake booster. I'm mad at my local satan right now, so I would rather get it somewhere for less anyways

 

[Talesin]

What rpm level? Could be phantom knock, if you have lifter tick.

The boost level still is NOT right. Look over your wastegate system, it's almost certainly not opening for one reason or another, and you should be extremely concerned.

White smoke from the exhaust = coolant getting into the combustion chambers, if it does it all the time. If it's only in the mornings or after a startup, just condensation in the exhaust and nothing to worry about. I'd suspect from your turbo, if you're overspinning it THAT much.. these are oil/water spools, not just oil like the GReedys. (Again assuming you have a 14b... right or wrong?)
To know for certain if it's a blown HG, assumin the turbo isn't leaking, you'll need to do a compression test, and then a proper leakdown test (with compressed air, also called a cylinder differential test). If the compression comes back good, don't bother with the leakdown.

No idea about the brake booster sending fluid everywhere. Open your hood, have a friend stand to the side, and pump the brakes. It's operating even at idle, and if it's getting all the way to the front of the engine bay, you should get a nice stream from the leak. Could be a hose, or your master cylinder, or whichever. Would be kinda a pain to replace the booster, only to find out later that a hose developed a crack.
While you're at it, check the clutch fluid level as well, and hit the clutch while your friend's watching for spray.

I'd not run synthetic in mine... it's 'cleaner' than organic, and will eat away any deposits that keep your engine from leaking oil, if you have any weak spots.

 

[tstkl]

What rpm level? Could be phantom knock, if you have lifter tick.

The boost level still is NOT right. Look over your wastegate system, it's almost certainly not opening for one reason or another, and you should be extremely concerned.

White smoke from the exhaust = coolant getting into the combustion chambers, if it does it all the time. If it's only in the mornings or after a startup, just condensation in the exhaust and nothing to worry about. I'd suspect from your turbo, if you're overspinning it THAT much.. these are oil/water spools, not just oil like the GReedys. (Again assuming you have a 14b... right or wrong?)
To know for certain if it's a blown HG, assumin the turbo isn't leaking, you'll need to do a compression test, and then a proper leakdown test (with compressed air, also called a cylinder differential test). If the compression comes back good, don't bother with the leakdown.

No idea about the brake booster sending fluid everywhere. Open your hood, have a friend stand to the side, and pump the brakes. It's operating even at idle, and if it's getting all the way to the front of the engine bay, you should get a nice stream from the leak. Could be a hose, or your master cylinder, or whichever. Would be kinda a pain to replace the booster, only to find out later that a hose developed a crack.
While you're at it, check the clutch fluid level as well, and hit the clutch while your friend's watching for spray.

I'd not run synthetic in mine... it's 'cleaner' than organic, and will eat away any deposits that keep your engine from leaking oil, if you have any weak spots.

yes it is a 14b, everything is stock if its not mentioned in my profile.

My car blows white smoke! Is there a fix?

"caused by water evaporating in the exhaust stream. Occasional puffs [are] usually from condensation in the exhaust pipes (especially in humid areas) or a water balloon up your stove-pipe. Continual white smoke [is usually due to] a warped head/head gasket and coolant entering your combustion chambers. If you're really unlucky, might be from a cracked head."

Some people have reported that high boost levels may promote white smoke, for some reason. Turning the boost down some cures the problem. This might be related to worn out seals on the turbo, which can leak oil into the exhaust. A bad brake booster can potentially let brake fluid into the vacuum line, which also produces white smoke.




My car blows gray/black smoke! Is there a fix?

"This is caused by uncombusted [unburned] fuel. Could be plugs, timing, clogged air filter, air/fuel mixture, wires, coil, etc. Start with the cheapest answer and work your way up."

this is what lead me to believe its the brake booster,
http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204600&highlight=white+smoke+brake+fluid

the knock is extremely random, it might be rpm related at around 2800 rpms, so it may be lifter tick. I lost my pen for my palm, so looking at the logs using my finger is annoying.

I have no cat, and the two mufflers I have can barely be considered mufflers, they are more like straight pipes with little bumps on the outside. this is whats causing the boost creep imo.

ill try the friend pushing the clutch and brake asap.